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BroncoBuff · 08-07-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

As far as guitar players go, Clapton is one of the most predictable, repetitive, and boring players I can think of. He is little more than a pentatonic/blues box player who has been recycling the same, old, tired blues licks for decades.

JMO.

Wow. My thoughts exactly ... yet I never dared speak them in public. I always scratched my head that everybody thought he was so awesome.

alkemical · 08-07-2008, 10:20 AM

I'm in an AIC mood for the last few weeks.

Rohirrim · 08-07-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

Wow. My thoughts exactly ... yet I never dared speak them in public. I always scratched my head that everybody thought he was so awesome.

His audience must be stupid.

BroncoBuff · 08-07-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

His audience must be stupid.

C'mon, that's not what I said.

I was talking strictly as a guitar player, and that his reputation FAR exceeds his talent. I love some of his music, many many of his songs. He's just not "God" on the guitar ... not by a longshot.

Rohirrim · 08-07-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

C'mon, that's not what I said.

I was talking strictly as a guitar player, and that his reputation FAR exceeds his talent. I love some of his music, many many of his songs. He's just not "God" on the guitar ... not by a longshot.

j/k. I think he only got the "God" thing after the Bluesbreakers album, and Cream, I suppose. He may not be God, but he's no slouch.

alkemical · 08-07-2008, 12:14 PM

Musically: The Doors & Tool have MUCH in common.

Bronx33 · 08-07-2008, 04:20 PM

Listening to the radio this morning and dave stuart was the guest, anyways he was promoting his new album with a 30 piece orchestra (rock fabulous orchestra) playing covers. (I would bet this sounds awesome on the right system) anyways heres a few freebees to check out.

http://www.davestewart.com/songbook/

Bronx33 · 08-07-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

Wow. My thoughts exactly ... yet I never dared speak them in public. I always scratched my head that everybody thought he was so awesome.

Well excuse the guy for playing what he loves and exposing a new audience to classic blues which they would never ever set their ears on if it were not for him. I love the guy hes on of my favorites and always will be for (i love the blues)

Ohhhhhh and by the way (i just happen to be wearing this)

Bronx33 · 08-07-2008, 06:54 PM

Hogan have you heard of a hendrix CD called (studio outakes) volume 2 with a songs called ( things i used to do) on it?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 08-07-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Like Page? Or Beck?

No.

Unlike Page or Beck, Clapton aspires and purports to be a bluesman (i.e., a blues purist) in the traditional sense.

The most you can say about either Page or Beck is that both players were influenced by blues (as well as early rock and roll and other styles) early in their development.

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I couldn't disagree more. I'm sure Page could put five notes where Clapton puts one (and would) but IMO Eric puts the right one in the right place, more often than not. That's what I want from the music I listen to; Meaning. I realize there are all kinds of fingerboard acrobats out there, I've met quite a few, but there aren't a whole lot that can put the right note in the right place and convey a depth of feeling in the music. IMO, that's what Eric has pursued his entire career. Your attack on him, and his style, is nothing new. Hell, the fingerboard acrobats have been resentful of his success since he started. Usually they wrap up their argument by saying something along the lines of, "Well, his audience must be stupid." I've always said, for sheer snootiness, you can't beat musicians.

That's way off base, bro.

Jimmy Page (even by his own admission) is no monster technician on the guitar. In fact, he has a reputation for being downright sloppy a lot of the time. It's Page's creativity that makes him great. He's like a storyteller whose command of the language is shaky but whose stories are so fascinating and compelling that it doesn't matter.

Also, as quiet as it's kept, advanced technique and feeling are not always mutually exclusive or incompatible. I'm with you insofar as I can't stand to listen to "shredders" (like Yngwie Malmsteen, for example) or those guitarists who are only interested in finding out how fast they can play harmonic minor scale sequences or three-octave arpeggios, but there are players out there who have a lot of chops AND play with feeling, i.e., they sincerely mean every note they play - even when they are playing a lot of notes.

bombay · 08-07-2008, 09:14 PM

Led Zeppelin is great and everyone else is not only overrated, but actually pretty horrible.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 08-07-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bombay

Led Zeppelin is great and everyone else is not only overrated, but actually pretty horrible.

I don't see anyone trying to make that argument - I'm certainly not.

"Great" and "horrible" are in the ear of the beholder, but it's still possible to have a friendly debate and differences of opinion.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 08-07-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Meaning. I realize there are all kinds of fingerboard acrobats out there, I've met quite a few, but there aren't a whole lot that can put the right note in the right place and convey a depth of feeling in the music.

Isn't it funny how this perception seems to only apply to guitar players?

You never heard anyone say of John Coltrane "that cat plays too many notes" or "he has no feeling."

Rohirrim · 08-07-2008, 09:33 PM

Can anybody tell me how to post you tube vids?

BroncoBuff · 08-07-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by amesj523

Musically: The Doors & Tool have MUCH in common.

I watched the Broncos Super Bowl win over the Packers with Ray Manzarek. And as long as I'm droppng names ... Steve DeJarnet was there too, writer/director of "Miracle Mile."

BroncoBuff · 08-07-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronx33

And oh by the way (i just happen to be wearing this)

Classic...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 08-07-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Can anybody tell me how to post you tube vids?

Just click on the field to the right of the video that says "embed."

Copy and paste the code here.

epicSocialism4tw · 08-07-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Isn't it funny how this perception seems to only apply to guitar players?

You never heard anyone say of John Coltrane "that cat plays too many notes" or "he has no feeling."

Or Joe Pass.

Heck, just about any jazz player from Django forward would be accused of being too note'y by someone that thinks Clapton is the penultimate.

BroncoBuff · 08-07-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Buff--I think you're mistaken in the assumption that young people don't appreciate Hendrix. He still hauls in a lot of fans. I also think his vehicle is superior to Zeppelin's repetitiveness and often inane lyrics.

I will say this ... Jimi Hendrix is definitely an ICON ... similar to James Dean or Marilyn Monroe or Jim Morrison or Janis Joplin. Zep has none of that.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 08-07-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I will say this ... Jimi Hendrix is definitely an ICON ... similar to James Dean or Marilyn Monroe or Jim Morrison or Janis Joplin. Zep has none of that.

Like the cynical music manager in the film "Comeback" (starring Eric Burdon) put it, "when you're dead, you're great."

epicSocialism4tw · 08-07-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I will say this ... Jimi Hendrix is definitely an ICON ... similar to James Dean or Marilyn Monroe or Jim Morrison or Janis Joplin. Zep has none of that.

An icon does not a better player than Phil Keaggy make.

I think that you are confusing pop culture notariety with skill.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 08-07-2008, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

Or Joe Pass.

Heck, just about any jazz player from Django forward would be accused of being too note'y by someone that thinks Clapton is the penultimate.

True that.

Rohirrim · 08-08-2008, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

Or Joe Pass.

Heck, just about any jazz player from Django forward would be accused of being too note'y by someone that thinks Clapton is the penultimate.

Talk about missing the point. Both of you.

Hogan11 · 08-08-2008, 09:13 AM

Anyone ever hear of The Whigs from Athens GA? They opened for Dweezil Zappa's "Zappa Plays Zappa - Tour de Frank" last night in Buffalo. Easily one of the strangest bills I've experienced in quite some time.

BroncoInferno · 08-08-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hogan11

Anyone ever hear of The Whigs from Athens GA? They opened for Dweezil Zappa's "Zappa Plays Zappa - Tour de Frank" last night in Buffalo. Easily one of the strangest bills I've experienced in quite some time.

Indeed I have heard of them. Do not care for them, but the douchebag who introduced me to them slept with my ex-girlfriend a week after we broke up, so I'm probably just bitter

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alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	Musically: The Doors & Tool have MUCH in common.

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Bronx33 lets go partner Rumpson Rocks Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lakewood,Colo Posts: 41,221 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	Listening to the radio this morning and dave stuart was the guest, anyways he was promoting his new album with a 30 piece orchestra (rock fabulous orchestra) playing covers. (I would bet this sounds awesome on the right system) anyways heres a few freebees to check out. http://www.davestewart.com/songbook/

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Bronx33 lets go partner Rumpson Rocks Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lakewood,Colo Posts: 41,221 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	Hogan have you heard of a hendrix CD called (studio outakes) volume 2 with a songs called ( things i used to do) on it?

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Hogan11 Rock-N-Roll Historian Let's take these SOB's out!!!!!! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: W.NY.B.C. Posts: 21,300 Adopt-a-Bronco: Floyd Little	Anyone ever hear of The Whigs from Athens GA? They opened for Dweezil Zappa's "Zappa Plays Zappa - Tour de Frank" last night in Buffalo. Easily one of the strangest bills I've experienced in quite some time.