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Old 07-07-2008, 11:30 AM   #126
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I had absolutely no idea that I would enjoy an argument over cell phones and their effect on bees so much. Bravo Khan and Ames!

I call for an encore. This time with fists dipped in glass.
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Old 07-07-2008, 11:35 AM   #127
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Now wait a minute amesj, the thread was about cell phones affecting bees, not EMF affecting the environment generally speaking. That's all I'm addressing here. The study, that by the scientists own insistence is too small to draw conclusions from, wasn't even testing cellular technology. So I think we can agree that there is no evidence that cell phones affect bees. Now you may have a hypothesis that they do, but to date no study has been conducted and no one of import is requesting we explore this as a cause for the bee die-off. I think we can agree that when it comes to cell phones killing bees the whole story is a good case of journalism gone wrong. EMF's affect on the environment overall is a totally different topic and I don't claim to be an expert there, nor was I speaking to that point.
All electronic devices emit an EMF field.
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Old 07-07-2008, 11:40 AM   #128
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All electronic devices emit an EMF field.
Yes they do. People do too. And I wish my EMF would kill stuff. How awesome would it be if flies and mosquitoes dropped dead when they came within a foot of me?
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Old 07-07-2008, 11:42 AM   #129
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Yes they do. People do too. And I wish my EMF would kill stuff. How awesome would it be if flies and mosquitoes dropped dead when they came within a foot of me?
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Old 07-07-2008, 11:44 AM   #130
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I retract my statement.
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Old 07-07-2008, 11:49 AM   #131
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Old 07-07-2008, 11:50 AM   #132
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Whatever man - believe what you what. I gave you enough to show you that EMF causes problems in environment. Only a fool believes there's no impact.
What's going to be real funny is in 15 years when all these 25-30 year old people will be coming down with brain cancer because they were on their cell phone 24-7 as a child. That will be a hoot.
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Old 07-07-2008, 12:11 PM   #133
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Old 07-07-2008, 12:13 PM   #134
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you mean to say it isn't GM crops doing this?
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Old 07-07-2008, 12:26 PM   #135
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Yes they do. People do too. And I wish my EMF would kill stuff. How awesome would it be if flies and mosquitoes dropped dead when they came within a foot of me?
People produce a Bio-Electric field - (see my radionics thread)

(that being said - it would technically be "possible" you could do this - )

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Old 07-07-2008, 12:27 PM   #136
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you mean to say it isn't GM crops doing this?
No, i think it's a multiple causation type of scenario. I think there is a pattern of this happening "organically" in cycles. I also think that effects on the environment can accelerate, or push the results to one end or the other of a spectrum (worst case scenarios).
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Um..actually a UK Independent article cited in the bee article specifically said it was mobile phones that were placed near the hives and that the bees refused to go near them.


http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...es-444768.html

Also, cellphones do not work off of radio waves, they work off of ELF (extremely low frequency) waves. If you have a preconcieved belief that is fine, just say that you do. But just to pretend like you are maintaining a debate on the science, wtf..
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Old 07-07-2008, 01:11 PM   #138
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Um..actually a UK Independent article cited in the bee article specifically said it was mobile phones that were placed near the hives and that the bees refused to go near them.


http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...es-444768.html

Also, cellphones do not work off of radio waves, they work off of ELF (extremely low frequency) waves. If you have a preconcieved belief that is fine, just say that you do. But just to pretend like you are maintaining a debate on the science, wtf..
That's the same article referencing the same study. This isn't new information! The article is wrong. In another three pages someone is going to post the same article referencing the same study.
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Old 07-07-2008, 01:14 PM   #139
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Um..actually a UK Independent article cited in the bee article specifically said it was mobile phones that were placed near the hives and that the bees refused to go near them.
By the way this is completely false. Neither the article you posted nor the study performed in Germany produced this result. The original theory was that the EMF from cordless phones was preventing bees from finding their way back the hive. It was never speculated that they were repelling the bugs outright. Why don't you read about what your arguing before you start defending it?
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It's the bees responsibility to adapt to the parasitic disease we are to this planet. If they can't **** em, we'll develop some mechanical pollinators once we let the 3rd world countries die off.
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It's the bees responsibility to adapt to the parasitic disease we are to this planet. If they can't **** em, we'll develop some mechanical pollinators once we let the 3rd world countries die off.
Dripping with sarcasm.....
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Dripping with sarcasm.....
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Old 07-07-2008, 01:58 PM   #143
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Sharp as a tack....
lol - no, just a pain in the ass like one
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Old 07-07-2008, 03:37 PM   #144
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Um..actually a UK Independent article cited in the bee article specifically said it was mobile phones that were placed near the hives and that the bees refused to go near them.
While others have pointed out that the citation was incorrect, theres a big problem with the fact that the EMF surrounding your typical phone is VERY small. Your average phone produces very little current (compared to say your clock radio). In ideal conditions the EMF then falls-off at an inverse-cube rate, so your talking a few milimeters of any meaningful field. Even in sub-optimal conditions (poorly designed phones really) the EMF is going to be very small.

I believe that the prevailing theory had more to do with the radio frequency used by the phones. The idea is that the bees use some type of RF signal to get home, and that the phones where interfering with that. I don't think this ever held up under scientific scrutiny however.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/scien...32266420080723

"Greenhouse" bees spread disease to wild bees

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Disease spread to wild bees from commercially bred bees used for pollination in agriculture greenhouses may be playing a role in the mysterious decline in North American bee populations, researchers said on Tuesday.

Bees pollinate numerous crops, and scientists have been expressing alarm over their falling numbers in recent years in North America. Experts warn the bee disappearance eventually could harm agriculture and the food supply.

Scientists have been struggling to understand the recent decline in various bee populations in North America. For example, a virus brought from Australia has been implicated in massive honeybee deaths last year.

Canadian researchers studied another type of bee, the bumblebee, near two large greenhouse operations in southern Ontario where commercially reared pollination bees are used in the growing of crops such as tomatoes, bell peppers and cucumbers.

The researchers first observed that the commercial bumblebees regularly flew in and out of vents in the sides of the greenhouses, escaping from the facilities.

The researchers then devised a mathematical model to predict how disease might spread from this "spillover" of runaway commercial bees to their wild cousins.

The model predicted a relatively slow build-up of infection in nearby wild bumblebee populations over weeks or months culminating in a burst of transmission generating an epidemic wave that could affect nearly all of wild bees exposed.

The model also predicted a drop-off in infection rates as you get further from the greenhouses. Continued...
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EMF....that's Unbelievable!

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Here is a theory of the bee die off as it had happened in Europe as well.

http://livefreelivenatural.com/37-mi...id-pesticides/

“Once the corn started to get planted our bees died by the millions,” Schuit said. He and many others, including the European Union, are pointing the finger at a class of insecticides known as neonicotinoids, manufactured by Bayer CropScience Inc. Used in planting corn and some other crops. The European Union just recently voted to ban these insecticides for two years, beginning December 1, 2013, to be able to study how it relates to the large bee kill they are experiencing there also.

What seems to be deadly to bees is that the neonicotinoid pesticides are coating corn seed and with the use of new air seeders, are blowing the pesticide dust into the air when planted. The death of millions of pollinators was looked at by the American Purdue University. They found that, “Bees exhibited neurotoxic symptoms, analysis of dead bees revealed traces of thiamethoxam/clothianidin in each case. Seed treatments of field crops (primarily corn) are the only major source of these compounds.

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