Five off-season questions on…the Defense

[dragondawg]

This is the first in an irregular series I plan for the off-season. I want to take this space to analyze what we know now about the current team, and figure out where the real question marks are. There’s a lot of them, and these are the areas we need to watch more closely as training camp and the most wonderful time of the year, preseason finally approaches! (Yes, preseason isn’t all that great, but after 6 months I’m ready for a game, even games that don’t count! Especially with NFL Europa gone, and I just can’t make myself watch Arena ball).

Last year, the Broncos defense collapsed basically overnight, and went from being one of the top rated defenses in the league to one of the worst rated defenses in the league. There is a lot of talk out there about what happened; most of the mainstream media just sees last year’s numbers and assumes that nothing in particular has changed on defense, so they’ll see those numbers again.

But what people who don’t actually follow this team don’t seem to realize…a LOT has changed! To start with, two years ago Shanahan fired Larry Coyer in what turned out to be a somewhat questionable move. The defense collapsed near the end of the 2006 season, and Coyer ended up holding the bag there. It’s not clear that Coyer was really even at fault, but the decision was made: the team had to go in a new direction.

Thus, Jim Bates was brought aboard. Bates made himself well-known through his very successful defenses in Miami and Green Bay; he uses a somewhat unconventional system, where the defensive line is basically asked to just hold as long as they can, while the linebackers are expected to flow to the ball. It requires a superior middle linebacker — which we had, in DJ Williams — but it also requires a very consistent defensive line, which we’ve never had. Worse, it requires very large, stout players on the line, which meant that the best player, Gerard “Big Money” Warren became superflous. In training camp he got traded to the Raiders for a mere 5th round pick, which in hindsight is probably one of the worst deals we’d ever made. That said, the organization was unhappy with him because as occasionally happens, once he got his big money contract, his effort seemed to drop a little and he was not the dominating player in 2006 that he had been in 2005.

The Bates system failed dramatically in Denver. Despite what the fans say about Bates, the system is sound, but the Broncos had neither the personnel nor the patience to run it. Word across the league, and this came out in training camp, is that it really takes 2 years for a defense to learn the system. It’s a very complex system, and little nuances can change how a player is supposed to react, which causes more thinking and thus slower reaction times. And in general, the system is not a run-stopping system anyway — it’s a pass stopping system. So the idea is to let them have the run, but take away the pass. Eventually, the runs will fail and the ball will be turned over. Unfortunately, the run has to actually fail sometimes, and that didn’t happen last year.

Worse, Jarvis Moss and Ebenezer Ekuban both went out for the year early; Ekuban in training camp and Moss in game 6. It seemed that Moss had just started to start to get comfortable in the NFL and show a little bit of what he was capable of when he went down. Both of these players are back.

This year, we’re reverting to Bob Slowik’s defense, which is basically the same as Larry Coyer’s defense. That means 8 in the box on running downs, it means a lot of zone defense (which is great for Champ Bailey and John Lynch, both of whom read a zone like they’re psychic) and creative blitzing schemes. It will mean Lynch will see the field primarily in run support.

That said, there are a LOT of questions on this defense, questions whose answers will determine if the Broncos can return to being a top tier defense or if the team spends another season limping home. The press has already decided the team will suck at defense and that the Broncos will be a mediocre team. The answers to these questions will be what proves them wrong. Or right.

1. Was Jarvis Moss worthy of a round 1 pick? Personally, I was not sold on Moss from what I had read of him. He didn’t have enough time last season to prove me wrong, but I’m unsure that Moss is going to pan out. We need him to.
2. Will Marcus Thomas meet his potential this year? Shanahan said — often — that Thomas would’ve been a top ten pick if he hadn’t gotten thrown out of school. Technically Thomas is a character risk, but the stories I’ve heard suggest he was a good risk. This summer’s incident in Florida is iffy, but if he gets it as a learning experience and stays on the straight and narrow, good. But that has nothing to do with his on field performance. What does is the fact that he missed most of his senior year, and wasn’t in great football shape last year. It wasn’t until the end of the season that he started to come on, and by then there were other problems.
3. Will Dewyane Robertson work out? He’s a low risk buy — chances are we’ll not pay more than a 6th rounder for him even if he’s a monster — but from my perspective, we need him to be Gerard Warren, only better. On paper, he can be. The guy is 26 years old; we could get another 5-8 years out of him. If his knee doesn’t get worse. But he’s had that knee the way it is for 5 years, and has managed to play on it, and miss very few snaps. If things change now, that’s going to be bad for him, but he renegotiated his contract and he has to be looking for an opportunity to get a better one.
4. Is Hamza Abdullah worthy of being a starting safety? This is a big worry spot for a lot of people. Sure, we have Lynch, but Lynch is just a touch slower than he once was, and he was never a fast safety. Smart, yes. Hard-hitting, yes. Able to read the play before it happens, absolutely. But sometimes what the safety needs to do is get to the ball, and get to it fast, and that’s not going to be Lynch’s strong suit. But aside from Lynch, we’ve got…Marlon McCree, who was often considered a weak link on the Chargers, and Abdullah. Last year he showed some promise, but he’s a worry spot.
5. Will Niko Koutovides make it as a starting middle linebacker in this league? There are some very good excuses for him not starting. Those excuses are Lofa Tatupu and perennial Pro bowler and they go in the same sentence. So the fact that he was a backup behind Tatupu doesn’t actually mean that much. But here’s the thing: Seattle went and drafted Tatupu knowing they had K2, so does that say something? Or does that just say something about him when he was a rookie, and that was 4 years ago? Or is it just that Tatupu was the kind of player you simply take, regardless of who you have. Sometimes “Best Player Available” is actually taken. Also, he has been a special teams ace. That actually says a lot; despite the fact that he was behind Tatupu, he never gave up. He didn’t demand a trade, he didn’t lose heart. He played for years behind Tatupu and contributed where he could. If nothing else, we know he has the heart and leadership qualities to be the Mike. We need to know if he has the on-field skills to be the Mike. Shanahan thinks he does.

Here’s a bonus SIXTH question for you: Is Bob Slowik’s system really good enough for the NFL? Slowik hasn’t had success as a defensive coordinator in this league, yet. This will be his fourth chance. Now, he has the advantage of having been there. He has the support of the team, right now. And his system isn’t too different from what the team ran in 2006 and prior. But can he do it?

These are the questions. If all five six of those end up with favorable answers, then the team should be able to be top ten again. If we hit on half of them, then we can be league average and hope that the potential on offense is realized. If we blow all 5 5 or 6 of them? Well, there’s always 2009. If we’re lucky. Unfortunately, if we blow most of them, that means our 2007 draft class was a bust, and that’ll affect the team for a long time to come. We don’t want that.

http://broncotalk.net/2008/06/five-o...onthe-defense/

[Drek]

Originally Posted by dragondawg

1. Was Jarvis Moss worthy of a round 1 pick? Personally, I was not sold on Moss from what I had read of him. He didn’t have enough time last season to prove me wrong, but I’m unsure that Moss is going to pan out. We need him to.

Moss does not need to pan out. Dumervil is already a very good weak side pass rusher. What we need is for one of Moss or Crowder to become a solid strong side end, against both the run and the pass. Crowder is a safe bet to be solid, while Moss is a shot at greatness. He looked pretty impressive in limited game time last year, when basically no one even knew the system. He's added a good amount of weight and should be much more physically capable of playing in the trenches for '08. There is no guarantee he'll be a stud, but I wouldn't be surprised if he wows us all.

2. Will Marcus Thomas meet his potential this year? Shanahan said — often — that Thomas would’ve been a top ten pick if he hadn’t gotten thrown out of school. Technically Thomas is a character risk, but the stories I’ve heard suggest he was a good risk. This summer’s incident in Florida is iffy, but if he gets it as a learning experience and stays on the straight and narrow, good. But that has nothing to do with his on field performance. What does is the fact that he missed most of his senior year, and wasn’t in great football shape last year. It wasn’t until the end of the season that he started to come on, and by then there were other problems.

By the end of the season last year Thomas was our best DT, and playing at a league average level if not better. He might not be a stud but its a safe bet he'll be a solid starter at this point, and that alone is a big step up for our DT position.

3. Will Dewyane Robertson work out? He’s a low risk buy — chances are we’ll not pay more than a 6th rounder for him even if he’s a monster — but from my perspective, we need him to be Gerard Warren, only better. On paper, he can be. The guy is 26 years old; we could get another 5-8 years out of him. If his knee doesn’t get worse. But he’s had that knee the way it is for 5 years, and has managed to play on it, and miss very few snaps. If things change now, that’s going to be bad for him, but he renegotiated his contract and he has to be looking for an opportunity to get a better one.

We need Robertson to be Dewayne Robertson. He can stuff the run pretty well, that is all we need out of him. We've got good corners, solid DE options, and enough talent at linebacker to make a difference. We need our DTs to stuff the run and let our run defense get back into the middle of the pack in the league or better.

4. Is Hamza Abdullah worthy of being a starting safety? This is a big worry spot for a lot of people. Sure, we have Lynch, but Lynch is just a touch slower than he once was, and he was never a fast safety. Smart, yes. Hard-hitting, yes. Able to read the play before it happens, absolutely. But sometimes what the safety needs to do is get to the ball, and get to it fast, and that’s not going to be Lynch’s strong suit. But aside from Lynch, we’ve got…Marlon McCree, who was often considered a weak link on the Chargers, and Abdullah. Last year he showed some promise, but he’s a worry spot.

Josh Barrett is hands down the most gifted safety on the team and I'm willing to say he'll be the best safety on this team period within a year or two. Hamza might not be starting quality, but McCree is. Charger fans b**** about him now on his way out the door, and he did struggle some last year, but before that he was a solid safety. Also Marquand Manuel is an above average backup. We're better off at safety than what you portrait.

5. Will Niko Koutovides make it as a starting middle linebacker in this league? There are some very good excuses for him not starting. Those excuses are Lofa Tatupu and perennial Pro bowler and they go in the same sentence. So the fact that he was a backup behind Tatupu doesn’t actually mean that much. But here’s the thing: Seattle went and drafted Tatupu knowing they had K2, so does that say something? Or does that just say something about him when he was a rookie, and that was 4 years ago? Or is it just that Tatupu was the kind of player you simply take, regardless of who you have. Sometimes “Best Player Available” is actually taken. Also, he has been a special teams ace. That actually says a lot; despite the fact that he was behind Tatupu, he never gave up. He didn’t demand a trade, he didn’t lose heart. He played for years behind Tatupu and contributed where he could. If nothing else, we know he has the heart and leadership qualities to be the Mike. We need to know if he has the on-field skills to be the Mike. Shanahan thinks he does.

He started several games for Seattle at MLB when he was just a rookie and did a solid job with more being asked of him than what we will. I have no doubts about Koutouvides' ability to play the MLB position on 1st and 2nd downs and I don't see any way he is given more responsibility than that. Fill the gaps, make the tackles, that is all he needs to do. He proved he could do that as a rookie, just not as well as one of the top 3 MLBs in the game today, Lofa Tatupu.

Here’s a bonus SIXTH question for you: Is Bob Slowik’s system really good enough for the NFL? Slowik hasn’t had success as a defensive coordinator in this league, yet. This will be his fourth chance. Now, he has the advantage of having been there. He has the support of the team, right now. And his system isn’t too different from what the team ran in 2006 and prior. But can he do it?

From Slowik's biography on the Bronco's site.

Slowik led an aggressive Bears defense that finished in the top half of the NFL in total defense in five of his six seasons. Despite not having a single Pro Bowl player from 1994-98, his defense allowed an average of 312.8 yards per game to rank eighth in the NFL during his time with the club.

In his first season with the Bears in 1993, three of his defenders—defensive end Rich Dent, safety Mark Carrier and cornerback Donnell Woolford—earned trips to the Pro Bowl. Collectively, Slowik guided the 1993 defense to the No. 4 ranking in the NFL by allowing only 290.8 yards per game. Led by Carrier and Woolford, Slowik’s pass defense ranked No. 3 in the NFL in 1993 and gave up only 176.1 yards per game.

He was ousted after only a season as DC in each of Cleveland (their first year, when they had no talent, and he still managed to get their pass defense in the top 10) and Green Bay (who brought in Bates in a fashion not too different from what we did last year).

Last time he was given a real shot though he had the Bears D doing very well. Add our superior defensive talent (Champ is better than anyone he had with the Bears, you could make the argument for DJ and Dumervil) and the fact that almost all our players re still familiar with the previous system which isn't too far removed from what he runs and we have little reason to doubt that he's capable of the job.

[Paladin]

Good answers, Drek. I think it is about time the pessimists understand that the Broncos are not red-headed stepchildren. (BTW: I wonder where that term came from? Dickens?) They are not as bad as the sparkies hope and the pessimists say, but they are not as good as my fantasies would have them be. But they are likely to be competitive with a few second-year and first-year players showing, and the vets brought in should help out seiously.

I honestly think they will surprise a few people and teams, and with a little bit of luck, could actually contend for the Division. Win it? I don't know. Contend? Yes.....

[Bravo]

As they say, things look pretty good on paper. However, a lot depends on a few players. Is Marshall back? Is Robertson the answer in the middle of the DL? Will the return of Nalen and Hamilton jell the OL.

I am jacked up about the addition of vets added to the squad. Depth is the answer in most cases to a good team and it looks like Denver is in good shape there. I believe Denver will be a valid contender this year.

[kmonty]

Welcome Bravo.... I totally agree.

[nickademus]

Good deadtime piece. Looking at our Saftey situation would it make sense to bring in a guy like Roy Williams from Dallas? I know he has been deemed the week link in their D but it seems like he would be similar to Lynch in our D only better?

[Killericon]

I'll quote from my sig before last year's draft:

"**** Jarvis Moss!"

[Drek]

Originally Posted by superceriani

Good deadtime piece. Looking at our Saftey situation would it make sense to bring in a guy like Roy Williams from Dallas? I know he has been deemed the week link in their D but it seems like he would be similar to Lynch in our D only better?

Lynch has blown almost zero coverage assignments in his time here. Roy Williams would blow about three a game, and at least one would probably go for six.

And Lynch is still good enough to be an impact player as the 8th man in the box.

If we want a guy who can run around hitting people we can just put Woodyard out there right now and save ourselves a few million dollars.

[kmonty]

This article came from my site, although I didn't write it. I agree with a lot of the things said.

One thing that stood out is that Jim Bates and Bob Slowik run similar systems. Disagree wholeheartedly there.

[nickademus]

you mean the same as Coyers?

[kmonty]

Originally Posted by superceriani

you mean the same as Coyers?

Wow, I totally misread my own site's article. lol, thanks for the heads up.

[epicSocialism4tw]

good post.

More of these types of threads would make this place much more fun.

Bump!

[2KBack]

I'm hoping for a Defense that is more Jim Johnson than Larry Coyer.

[Inkana7]

Originally Posted by 2KBack

I'm hoping for a Defense that is more Jim Johnson than Larry Coyer.

Coyer blitzed more than Jim Johnson in 05.

[GoHAM]

Originally Posted by 2KBack

I'm hoping for a Defense that is more Jim Johnson than Larry Coyer.

I wouldn't mind a Coyer defense sprinkled with a couple of in game adjustments, or in season adjustments.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by superceriani

Good deadtime piece. Looking at our Saftey situation would it make sense to bring in a guy like Roy Williams from Dallas? I know he has been deemed the week link in their D but it seems like he would be similar to Lynch in our D only better?

No thanks on Williams. I actually think our safety situation is very strong. We got Barrett and Woodyard (UDFA) in the draft, I'm thinking at least one of these guys will pan out at the safety position. Not to mention JMFW, is nice insurance. A guy who is not so good a CB in the NFL, can be a special player at safety, that is, if JMFW isn't the greatest CB, he can be shifted to safety and perhaps he'll do better there.

All in all, I think safety is not an issue right now.

[2KBack]

Originally Posted by Inkana7

Coyer blitzed more than Jim Johnson in 05.

that doesn't surprise me, just think Jim might be a bit more crafty with the blitz.

[Merlin]

Originally Posted by GoWYO

I wouldn't mind a Coyer defense sprinkled with a couple of in game adjustments, or in season adjustments.

Exactly my wish. I liked Coyer's game plans. They usually worked well in the first half, but his half time adjustments were non-existent, otherwise he would have been great. In 2006 I was totally perplexed at his unwillingness to change the D at mid-season, when it was clear the vanilla D was going down the toilet...he should have gone back to his blitz crazy D from the yr before, only Pitts had managed to contain it...and with a little creativity he could have addressed that team's adjustments.