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[smalltowngrll]

Originally Posted by Master___Pain

Um, yeah, I'd say we knew who was in the coffin

Yeah, easy to say now that we KNOW!

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

If Ben says they all must come back to the island, doesn't that include Desmond?

Maybe eventually, but since he didn't originally arrive on the island with them, they could easily argue that he wouldn't have to go back with them.

Originally Posted by TexanBob

And if Ben destroyed his "way-back machine", how is he able to keep showing up in other parts of the world?

You're assuming there are no other stations or boats (remember, they were using the sub to get on and off before) on the island. I'm sure they could (and already have) come up with a dozen ways of getting on and off the island.

Originally Posted by TexanBob

I'm not sure how they can twist the remaining plot lines for three more seasons without making a totally mockery of themselves.

You don't have to worry about that. There's only two more....not three

[DomCasual]

Michael is definitely dead and not coming back. It's apparently because the show's creators are semi-racist?

http://www.tvguide.com/news/lost-har...neau/080530-03

riday, May 30, 2008
Harold Perrineau Dishes on his Lost Exit (Again)

by Shawna Malcom

Harold Perrineau by Mario Perez/ABCHarold Perrineau, Lost

Lost's breathtaking finale will no doubt have fans feverishly dissecting its innumerable puzzles until the show returns in early 2009. (Read our recap and weigh in with your thoughts!) Locke (aka Jeremy Bentham) is in the coffin?! What "very bad things" happened after the Oceanic 6 left the island?? How in Jacob's name is Ben gonna help all of them — plus Locke! — get back there And exactly where did the former Others ringleader and that wacky frozen device move the island to?

But at least one major character's fate was definitively sealed with the close of Season 4 when Michael (Harold Perrineau), the suicidal castaway — and father to "real big" mystery boy Walt — perished aboard the fiery freighter. "Michael had an incredibly heroic, noble death," says executive producer Damon Lindelof. "He sacrificed his own life to redeem himself for past mistakes and to help the Oceanic 6 get off the island." Sound familiar? It was this time last year that we were mourning the loss of the similarly selfless Charlie. Though Michael got a little something special that the ex-junkie rock star did not: a surprise send-off from Christian Shephard.

Shortly after he wrapped filming, an emotional Perrineau — who made a much-hyped return to the series in March after leaving in Season 2 — called to chat about his explosive second exit, the mad dash home to be with pregnant wife Brittany and why he feels the lack of a Michael-Walt reunion was "not cool."

TV Guide: Did you know Michael was being killed off when you returned?
Harold Perrineau: I had no idea. It's like, what the hell? I came back for that?

TV Guide: You're laughing as you say that, but you don't sound particularly pleased.

Perrineau: I'm disappointed, mostly because I wanted Michael and Walt to have a happy ending. I was hoping Michael would get it together and actually want to be a father to his kid and try to figure out a way to get back [home]. But this is [the producers'] story. If I were writing it, I would write it differently.

TV Guide:: So when did you get the news?
Perrineau: [Lindelof and fellow executive producer Carlton Cuse] called before the finale scripts were out. They said they weren't going to continue with Michael.

TV Guide:: And what did you say to that?
Perrineau: At this point, I've been on the island, off the island, back on the island — so I just went, "Oh, ok." [Laughs] This is their show and they know what they can or cannot write. I thought it was disappointing and a waste to come back, only to get beat up a few times and then killed. I felt like it was sort of pandering to some fans who wanted to see Michael punished because he betrayed people.

TV Guide: Are you referring to when he shot and killed Ana Lucia and Libby in Season 2?
Perrineau: Exactly. I honestly feel like Michael's death served a really weird bloodlust for the fans.

TV Guide: Were you disappointed Michael and Walt didn't reconnect before your character died?
Perrineau: Listen, if I'm being really candid, there are all these questions about how they respond to black people on the show. Sayid gets to meet Nadia again, and Desmond and Penny hook up again, but a little black boy and his father hooking up, that wasn't interesting? Instead, Walt just winds up being another fatherless child. It plays into a really big, weird stereotype and, being a black person myself, that wasn't so interesting. [Responds Cuse: "We pride ourselves on having a very racially diverse cast. It's painful when any actor's storyline ends on the show. Harold is a fantastic actor whose presence added enormously to Lost."]

TV Guide: Take me back to your last day of shooting.
Perrineau: My last day was kind of hectic. [Production] was trying to get me out because, at the time, my wife was a centimeter dilated.

TV Guide: Was she in labor at the hospital when you got back to L.A.?
Perrineau: No, I got home and then for another week, the baby would not come! We were like, "Seriously, dude, I was in Hawaii rushing like a madman!” I was talking to the baby, my wife was walking around, practically hiking, but the baby just would not come out! [Laughs] So we went to the hospital a week later and induced. A beautiful little girl came on May 7. Wynter Aria — I thought it was a nice name. It's poetic, and she's a little poetry in our life.

TV Guide: Let's talk highlights. Surely, you had some positive experiences on Lost.
Perrineau: Doing the job in Hawaii was cool. Getting to meet and work with [co-creator] JJ Abrams was very cool. The day we found out the show [premiered] so well [in 2004] was an amazing day. We were all so hopeful and excited. The first season was one of my best years as a working actor. Not to say there weren't tough times, but I loved the first season. And that one of my best friends, Dan [Dae Kim, who plays Jin], and I got to do pretty much the whole finale together.

TV Guide: Dead characters have a way of returning to the show. Would you be open to that?
Perrineau: I'd love to go back and work with people I really like working with, but I would have to know what was happening [story-wise] before I showed up again. Because this [last] storyline, I full-on feel, "No, that's not cool.'"

TV Guide: What's next for you?
Perrineau: This movie I did with Stephen Dorff called Felon is probably coming out at the end of the summer. And I'm in talks for a couple different films.

TV Guide: Any final thoughts?
Perrineau: Just that I hope the show continues to thrill people. I'm sorry to have to go, but I'll see you in another incarnation. I'll re-create myself because that's what I do. That part of leaving is pretty cool.

[Beantown Bronco]

....and people say that Scott McClellan is bitter. Damn.

[TexanBob]

I thought the whole thing with Mr. Eko was pointless and was done as a way to insulate against charges or racism. Same thing with Ana Lucia. It's not that I didn't like Eko as a character. It's just I had a hard time understanding his relevancy to the plot. (They still have never explained why an African drug runner/priest was on an airplane going from Australia to Los Angeles) The real problem with Michael and Walt was that Walt's actor went through puberty, making it really difficult to fit him into the script when he was no longer this cute little boy in a story that is only supposed to be covering three months on the island.

I do know that, if realism has anything to do with it, there's not a shred of Jin underneath that tombstone back in Korea.

[smalltowngrll]

There are a lot of unanswered questions at this point.

Without revealing anything specific I've been reading in regards to spoilers or specifics released by the show's production/creation teams, I do know that the next two seasons will begin to delve into a lot of these aspects as well as expound upon some other things that were only 'tidbits' earlier.

Also, the idea of Hurley seeing Mr. Eko also coincides with the fact that he's also seen Charlie, as well as the fact that Christian is still turning up in places. Dead people are turning up all over this show. Why? Is it that they are still alive because of some sort of time travel ability or special features of the island? Or is all of this just in people's heads?

(Side note on Eko's death...thought this was kinda interesting:
~His message to Locke (" John 3:05") reads: "Jesus answered, verily, verily I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God."
~Eko died in Episode 3.05. )

Another interesting thing...is Claire dead or alive?

I really can't fathom the writers/producers, etc. having any racist motivation in killing off characters. These writers already know the results of the show and already have outlines for developing stories for the last two seasons. There are way too many other 'races' and cultures that are a part of this show. But, that's just my own opinion.

[Bronco in TN.]

You guys need to read this site. It explains everything that has been going on. I discovered it about halfway through season 3 and it's turned out to be very accurate.

http://www.timelooptheory.com/

[Bronco in TN.]

Ehh. I see someone already posted that site before. I think it's pretty spot on.

[Rohirrim]

The emotional continuity of the show was obliterated by commercials. It was unwatchable. I'm going to wait for the DVDs.

[Master___Pain]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The emotional continuity of the show was obliterated by commercials. It was unwatchable. I'm going to wait for the DVDs.

DVR. I watched it in about an hour and a half. I would have been totally annoyed though if I had watched it start to finish with out fast forwarding through the commercials.

[DomCasual]

Originally Posted by Master___Pain

DVR. I watched it in about an hour and a half. I would have been totally annoyed though if I had watched it start to finish with out fast forwarding through the commercials.

That's me, too. We didn't start watching until about halfway through Season Two. People kept telling us we should watch it, so we rented Season One and watched it over the course of about a week. We were totally hooked! Once we started watching it when it was actually on, we couldn't believe how many commercial breaks they took. Honestly, if it wasn't for Tivo, I don't think I would have gotten into it as much as I have.

[TexanBob]

I watched seasons 1 and 2 on DVD and saw season 3 on pirated video streams because season 3 was already over and the DVDs had not yet been released. So season 4 is the first one I've had to sit through commercials but I set up my DVR to pause for 20 minutes and then watch it while zipping through the clutter.

FWIW, I thought Season 1 was the best. I wanted a more reality-based tale that dealt more with surviving a plane crash instead of all this Twilight Zone stuff. It's still a great series but it just didn't go in the direction I was hoping for.

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by Master___Pain

DVR. I watched it in about an hour and a half. I would have been totally annoyed though if I had watched it start to finish with out fast forwarding through the commercials.

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Just finished watching it on DVR ... I thought they had milked the coffin to much, WAY overboard. I didn't think there was any way they could surprise me. Oops! I was so shocked, it was like "The Sixth Sense." Is it possible Locke was a bad guy all along? No way, I can't believe that. Maybe the island moved into the arctic region - explaining Ben's parka and the ice just before the move. That might explain all "the bad things" that have been happening there. Maybe they're freezing to death. And Locke found out that in order to move the island back, every single person who was there before has to be there again. That kinda fits.

I'm gonna check that timeloop theory though, Tennessee.

[Bronco in TN.]

Time and fate are the two key components to Lost.

The black smoke is proof, IMO.

[REB]

Very good season finale

[alkemical]

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008...look-jj-a.html

First Look: J.J. Abrams' Fringe

[smalltowngrll]

Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008...look-jj-a.html

First Look: J.J. Abrams' Fringe

ohhh, I think I might be interested in this show! Thanks!

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by Bronco in TN.

You guys need to read this site. It explains everything that has been going on. I discovered it about halfway through season 3 and it's turned out to be very accurate.

http://www.timelooptheory.com/

http://www.hatch23.com/

This Popular Mechanics article on “debunking” the science of Lost does little debunking and much fawning and speculating.

Michio Kaku, author of Physics of the Impossible, thinks the Lost creators are using cutting-edge science to lay the groundwork for a transversible wormhole to another point in space and time—a trip foreshadowed in an off-season video about the so-called Orchid station, which Lindelhof and Cuse promised would be a key to the next few episodes. “They’re amping up the energy to the point where space and time begin to tear, and the fabric begins to rip,” Kaku tells PM. “When the fabric of space and time begin to rip, things that we consider impossible become possible again.”

[55CrushEm]

Originally Posted by Bronco in TN.

You guys need to read this site. It explains everything that has been going on. I discovered it about halfway through season 3 and it's turned out to be very accurate.

http://www.timelooptheory.com/

This was an awesome read!! Someone sent it to me today......quite lengthy (when you click on "main theory").....but damn good.

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by 55CrushEm

This was an awesome read!! Someone sent it to me today......quite lengthy (when you click on "main theory").....but damn good.

Yeah, I'm gonna read that later ... I'm still getting over Locke in that coffin. Whew... I was not ready for that.

Side note: I guess the short length of the coffin was a kinda BS red herring, eh?

[Bronco in TN.]

Just a thought. But since Locke can only walk on the island which is existing in a time before he was actually thrown out the window by his father, he would be paralyzed upon returning to current time. Something could have happened to where he ended up in the coffin without his legs.

[Kid A]

Just when I started getting my mind around the Time Loop Theory I stumbled on this equally compelling thought:

http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/

Very complicated, but it does fit in nicely with some things producers have said and the constant Yin-Yang motif.

[Bronco in TN.]

Yep. That's a good one, too.

[BroncoBuff]

Kinda interesting ...

Just saw MI:3 (Mission Impossible 3). It was directed by J.J. Abrams, co-creator of LOST. At the very end of the credits - the very last one mentioned in the 'Producers are Grateful To' section, was "The Hanso Foundation."

[alkemical]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...53-661,00.html

POWERFUL signals from a secretive naval base are being probed as a possible cause of a Qantas jet plunge last week.

Air safety investigators say they will look into claims signals from the base used to communication with US and Australian ships and submarines may have interfered with the Qantas Airbus's computer.

During the emergency the plane plunged 650 feet in seconds, injuring more than 70 passengers and crew.

The naval communications base is at Exmouth in Western Australia’s north, 30km from where the Qantas Airbus A330-300 made an emergency landing at Learmonth last week.

There were 303 passengers and 10 crew aboard when the plane suddenly dropped altitude, hurling people around the cabin and forcing the pilot to land.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau today said it would examine whether powerful electromagnetic signals from the communications base could have sparked the emergency.

The base uses powerful low frequency radio transmissions to US Navy and Australian Navy ships and submarines.

It is understood to be the most powerful transmission station this side of the globe and includes 13 radio towers, the tallest of which is 387m tall.

The base is named the Harold E. Holt communications station after the former Australian Prime Minister.

ATSB spokesman David Hope confirmed the new line of inquiry today, after "several" groups had raised it as a possibility.

"We're looking at everything as part of a very thorough investigation," Mr Hope said.

"That's been raised by a number of people to say that somehow or another this US military base has got a very high frequency signal tower there and that could somehow interfere with electrical devices - so we'll look at it."

The latest possibilty comes as the world's Airbus operators were warned urgently of the autopilot failure.

The ATSB has already found that the Airbus A330-300's air data computer - or inertial reference system - sent erroneous and spike information to the flight control computer causing the autopilot to disconnect.

The aircraft was cruising at 37,000 feet when the fault occurred, causing it to descend up to 650 feet in seconds.




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Now for your daily dose of strange: I commented to Rick that the story sounds like something the Dharma Initiative would be behind. Then I saw the satellite image of the base. As Scooby Doo might say, ruh-roh...

[The Dharma Base]

Okay, so it's an octagon versus a hexagon. Don't spoil my fun dammit! I want to believe!