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TexanBob · 02-23-2008, 05:07 PM

I did get a chuckle out of Jin trying to pronounce "Albuquerque".

TexanBob · 02-24-2008, 04:14 PM

Something else I've thought about. Jack tells Kate at the end of Season Three "We have to go back (to the island)" to which Kate says basically "No way". Now we know at least two reasons why Kate won't go back. 1) She's under court order not to flee the state and 2) She's now taking care of a kid (unless the person in the coffin is Aaron as I wondered it might be).

Jens1893 · 02-24-2008, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

PS: Obviously the woman Sayid killed in Berlin is affiliated with the New Others?

she had a silver bracelet similar to naomi´s

the dead person at the end of season 3 could be aaron as, if i remember correctly, it wasnt a full size casket, but rather a smaller one ... however, when kate and jack meet at the airport kate says she has to get back to "him". kate referring to the person simply as "him" and not by name suggests that jack knows the person ... especially as they hadnt talked in a good while IIRC.

jack seeing aaron is gonna be the thing that sends jack over the edge imo. its gonna bring back some horrible memories and flashbacks for jack as i think claire was either killed or forced to give aaron to kate

Rohirrim · 02-28-2008, 11:30 PM

Well, that was a mind bending episode and the short, unhappy life of George Minkowski. Nice theme. Love heals all wounds and puts Desmond's psyche back together again. Many puzzles in this one. What I particularly noticed was Penny's father buying the log of the Black Rock. Now that's what I call a major clue. He must find out something in that log that sets off his search for the island. Taking his personality into account, I'd have to guess it is some kind of quest for power. He already has enough wealth. And perhaps Ben is the nexus of that power? Is Penny's father behind the quest of the freighter? I have always thought that the Others were either descendants of or, given the strange time warp of the island, the crew of the Black Rock. Remember the first time Ben, as a boy, meets Richard in the forest? Richard has long hair and is dressed like a seaman. Plus, Richard has not aged a day since then. I suppose that would make Jacob the captain of the Black Rock.

However, at the auction the year cited for the Black Rock's loss was 1845. Dynamite was not invented until 1867. Is that another clue? And how did some Malagayan pirates, as stated at the auction, get a hold of the log of the ship without getting a hold of the ship itself? Perhaps the ship was grabbed by pirates in 1845 and then used for their nefarious purposes for over twenty years until they wrecked on the island after 1867 with a cargo of dynamite? Of course, dynamite would never last over a hundred years in a tropical environment. I'm getting a headache. Let alone dealing with Minkowski spacetime.

spdirty · 02-29-2008, 12:48 AM

damn Ro. I had a theory but I totally forgot what it was after reading your post. You get a helluva lot deeper than me, thats for sure.

alkemical · 02-29-2008, 10:47 AM

http://www.key64.net/article/1312-pa...nd-the-curtain

http://www.hatch23.com/

The occult secrets of Lost

BroncoBuff · 02-29-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Well, that was a mind bending episode and the short, unhappy life of George Minkowski. Nice theme. Love heals all wounds and puts Desmond's psyche back together again. Many puzzles in this one. What I particularly noticed was Penny's father buying the log of the Black Rock. Now that's what I call a major clue. He must find out something in that log that sets off his search for the island. Taking his personality into account, I'd have to guess it is some kind of quest for power. He already has enough wealth. And perhaps Ben is the nexus of that power? Is Penny's father behind the quest of the freighter? I have always thought that the Others were either descendants of or, given the strange time warp of the island, the crew of the Black Rock. Remember the first time Ben, as a boy, meets Richard in the forest? Richard has long hair and is dressed like a seaman. Plus, Richard has not aged a day since then. I suppose that would make Jacob the captain of the Black Rock.

However, at the auction the year cited for the Black Rock's loss was 1845. Dynamite was not invented until 1867. Is that another clue? And how did some Malagayan pirates, as stated at the auction, get a hold of the log of the ship without getting a hold of the ship itself? Perhaps the ship was grabbed by pirates in 1845 and then used for their nefarious purposes for over twenty years until they wrecked on the island after 1867 with a cargo of dynamite? Of course, dynamite would never last over a hundred years in a tropical environment. I'm getting a headache. Let alone dealing with Minkowski spacetime.

Great stuff ... I'll have to analyze this further.

The BIG find this week was Time Travel! I'm not sure everyone realizes it - my friend in LA did not - but this was the first inkling of any kind of time travel. The "Flash Forward" sequences were not time travel per se, but rather just peeking into the future.

I think I like the time travel element of the plot .... they were digging themselves in way too deep - too many mysteries atop mysteries before.

Speaking of "mysteries," they had been listing Fisher Stevens as a guest star for several weeks now, but we never saw him in an episode until last night, strapped to the bed in sick bay. Then his character solved the "mystery" - he WAS in these past episodes, but only as the voice on the other end of the sat-phone. I was beginning to wonder

BroncoBuff · 02-29-2008, 11:02 AM

Now we know the Island exists within a rip in the fabric of time and space ... remembr the bizarre magnetic event when they failed to key in the code in the underground station.

alkemical · 02-29-2008, 11:04 AM

you guys should read ubik by Phillip K dick

Rohirrim · 02-29-2008, 12:37 PM

The other thing that has always bugged me is that the Black Rock is located in the middle of the island. How did it get there? Hurricane? Tsunami? Is it tied to the black cloud? Mystery upon mystery.

alkemical · 02-29-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The other thing that has always bugged me is that the Black Rock is located in the middle of the island. How did it get there? Hurricane? Tsunami? Is it tied to the black cloud? Mystery upon mystery.

Maybe it's a 2001 black rock thingy?

TexanBob · 02-29-2008, 01:32 PM

One person's explanation: (note: potential spoiler theories included)

http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

Not sure I accept all of it but it begins to unravel how there can be like two separate worlds that don't sync up.

One thing I don't think this theory answers is why Locke seems to gain and lose the use of his legs periodically even while on the island.

DomCasual · 02-29-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Well, that was a mind bending episode and the short, unhappy life of George Minkowski. Nice theme. Love heals all wounds and puts Desmond's psyche back together again. Many puzzles in this one. What I particularly noticed was Penny's father buying the log of the Black Rock. Now that's what I call a major clue. He must find out something in that log that sets off his search for the island. Taking his personality into account, I'd have to guess it is some kind of quest for power. He already has enough wealth. And perhaps Ben is the nexus of that power? Is Penny's father behind the quest of the freighter? I have always thought that the Others were either descendants of or, given the strange time warp of the island, the crew of the Black Rock. Remember the first time Ben, as a boy, meets Richard in the forest? Richard has long hair and is dressed like a seaman. Plus, Richard has not aged a day since then. I suppose that would make Jacob the captain of the Black Rock.

However, at the auction the year cited for the Black Rock's loss was 1845. Dynamite was not invented until 1867. Is that another clue? And how did some Malagayan pirates, as stated at the auction, get a hold of the log of the ship without getting a hold of the ship itself? Perhaps the ship was grabbed by pirates in 1845 and then used for their nefarious purposes for over twenty years until they wrecked on the island after 1867 with a cargo of dynamite? Of course, dynamite would never last over a hundred years in a tropical environment. I'm getting a headache. Let alone dealing with Minkowski spacetime.

Man, that's pretty awesome analysis! REP

55CrushEm · 03-20-2008, 01:43 PM

Tonight's episode is called "Meet Kevin Johnson". It is supposed to be centered around Michael. It is also the last episode until April 24th, at which time the final 5 episodes of Season Four will commence.

Here's some info that I found online......

THE TEASE!
''Meet Kevin Johnson'' is the eighth episode of Lost's fourth season and the last episode that was filmed before the Writers Guild of America went on strike for three months. The good news is that the strike is over and the show is back at work; at present, cast and crew are shooting the ninth episode. The bad news is that we'll have to wait until April 24 to see it. (Curse you, post-production demands!) The slightly worse news is that when our mutual obsession comes back next month, it will air at 10 p.m., a brutal time slot for people like me, whose glittering mental carriage morphs back into a moldy pumpkin at exactly 10:01 p.m. So relish this, the last installment of the year to air at a sane hour. It promises to be a dynamite chapter in the unfolding Lost saga, according to executive producer Damon Lindelof:

''Yes, you'll find out a lot about Michael. But you'll ALSO learn why bearded Jack was unable to jump. AND where the Others are holed up. AND, according to those silly promos, apparently someone dies, too.''

The promise of additional intrigue about Grizzly Jack's flash-forward despair in an episode that would APPEAR to be about Michael? Curious.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20185253,00.html

BroncoBuff · 03-20-2008, 01:55 PM

As great as this show is ... I'm getting frustrated with the leaning toward soap-opera-like plotlines. The Ben as a prisoner/Locke as a dictator plotline is bizarre, and completely unrealistic to human nature.

And the women are really taking too much of the soft-focus, over-made up quality ... I liked it better when the actors were haggard, as it would be in reality.

Kid A · 03-20-2008, 06:23 PM

You have a point, but honestly Ben is probably the most interesting character right now. Hopefully things start coming to a head tonight with the reintroduction of Michael. We know who the Six are, now we're ready to see it go down. The most interesting parts of this season have been the flash forwards (Sayid as an assassin, Kate as Aaron's mother), so I'm ready for them to get off the island.

BroncoBuff · 03-20-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kid A

You have a point, but honestly Ben is probably the most interesting character right now. Hopefully things start coming to a head tonight with the reintroduction of Michael. We know who the Six are, now we're ready to see it go down. The most interesting parts of this season have been the flash forwards (Sayid as an assassin, Kate as Aaron's mother), so I'm ready for them to get off the island.

Agreed on Ben ... and the Sayid flash-forward shows he'll be front and center for several seasons to come.

I still doubt seriously that Kate's Aaron is Claire's Aaron, here's why: The island Aaron would be about three months old now, plus rescue and recovery months (minimum two, maybe a lot more), time to buy/rent that house, hire the nanny, get arrested and prep for a federal criminal trial ... Island Aaron would be at LEAST 12-16months old by then, but Kate's Aaron was clearly just an infant. OH AND WAIT! THERE'S JUST the OCEANIC SIX! The baby would make seven ...

... though I guess he wasn't on the manifest.

Hurley Jack Kate Sayid Sun ... (who's the sixth again?)

smalltowngrll · 03-20-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

Agreed on Ben ... and the Sayid flash-forward shows he'll be front and center for several seasons to come.

I still doubt seriously that Kate's Aaron is Claire's Aaron, here's why: The island Aaron would be about three months old now, plus rescue and recovery months (minimum two, maybe a lot more), time to buy/rent that house, hire the nanny, get arrested and prep for a federal criminal trial ... Island Aaron would be at LEAST 12-16months old by then, but Kate's Aaron was clearly just an infant. OH AND WAIT! THERE'S JUST the OCEANIC SIX! The baby would make seven ...

... though I guess he wasn't on the manifest.

Hurley Jack Kate Sayid Sun ... (who's the sixth again?)

Aaron wasn't on the manifest...so, he technically wouldn't be considered one of the six.

The baby in the crib was not an infant by any means. He was definitely older than an infant. He had a lot of blonde hair. He could have easily been 12-16 months old in the flash forward.

Kid A · 03-21-2008, 12:19 AM

They've made it clear in the ads that the Six have been revealed, and one ad seemed to imply Aaron was among them, so I'm going to assume he is one of them. I do agree, though, that there are a lot of questions surrounding that whole situation.

Beantown Bronco · 03-21-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kid A

I do agree, though, that there are a lot of questions surrounding that whole situation.

Shocker.

This statement could apply to every subplot within the show.

Kid A · 03-21-2008, 03:27 PM

haha, true. I suppose I should have said I am especially intrigued by the questions surrounding that storyline.

On the topic of last night's episode, a couple thoughts:

1) who put that plane at the bottom of the sea? Ben's people claim Whitmore, Whitmore's claim Ben. We've been made not to like Whitmore because of his treatment of Desmond, but something tells me his reasons for finding the island may be surprisingly benign, at least compared to Ben's motives.

2) Mr. Friendly is gay.

3) did they really just kill off Danielle, and was Ben behind it?

broncoblue · 03-24-2008, 07:24 PM

just watched the 8th ...man this show blows your mind

TexanBob · 03-25-2008, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kid A

1) who put that plane at the bottom of the sea? Ben's people claim Whitmore, Whitmore's claim Ben. We've been made not to like Whitmore because of his treatment of Desmond, but something tells me his reasons for finding the island may be surprisingly benign, at least compared to Ben's motives.

Widmore would seem to have the resources to fake an airplane at the bottom of the sea far more than Ben. Even with the purge, where was Ben going to find that many bodies and the manpower to put an airplane in a trench?

We obviously don't know everything about Ben but I just don't see him as capable of pulling off something of that magnitude. Why live on that crappy island most of the time if you're that powerful?

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2) Mr. Friendly is gay.

Didn't Tom have a wife back when we were learning about the Others? I seem to recall it but not 100% sure. Of course, he may be trying to run for Governor in NY or NJ after all this so who knows.

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3) did they really just kill off Danielle, and was Ben behind it?

Looks like they killed off Danielle and Karl (who pulled a Walt and grew up much quicker than the alleged time frame ought to allow). And I get the impression Michael is about to get his death wish.

As to the Oceanic Six, I keep trying to count and I get Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun and Aaron. Desmond doesn't count because he wasn't on the plane. Michael apparently doesn't count because he's under deep cover (although, strangely, so is Sayid but Sayid outed himself as one of the Six). Walt's apparently not one of the Six either.

Remember Jack tells that fake story that only eight survived the crash and only six got rescued. That's the story that the media has apparently circulated so it only refers to a specific six who were rescued, not any other survivors who might have chosen to stay on the island or might have been killed and their deaths covered up as if they were crash fatalities.

Pseudofool · 03-31-2008, 02:36 AM

The final member of The Oceanic Six is in the coffin at the end of Season 3. Either Locke or Sawyer, given that no one went to the funeral.

Of course Jin could count as one too. But I imagine he's one of the eight, like Aaron's mother (name escapes me at the moment)--who is likely dead because Jack refuses to visit Aaron...

TexanBob · 03-31-2008, 05:38 PM

Since we see a few characters return who were not technically one of the six that apparently get off the island (Desmond, possibly Juliet?), the person in the coffin isn't well defined yet many have commented that the coffin looked too small to be a normal-sized adult which would seem to leave out Locke and Sawyer, particularly since both don't seem interested in leaving the island at all so I have no idea why they'd be in Los Angeles.

I've theorized that the one in the coffin is Aaron which (for reasons which still aren't clear) Jack doesn't want to see yet he wants to see Kate so he comes to the funeral home hoping to find her. The flash-forwards of bearded drugged-out Jack obviously happen later in time than the ones of the clean-shaven Jack that appear at Kate's trial and shooting hoops with Hurley in other flash-forwards. It is the drugged-out Jack that shows up at the funeral home so it is possible that the person in the coffin is Aaron (Claire's son) if that is, indeed, the same Aaron that left the island.

02-28-2008, 11:30 PM	#54
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 49,113	Well, that was a mind bending episode and the short, unhappy life of George Minkowski. Nice theme. Love heals all wounds and puts Desmond's psyche back together again. Many puzzles in this one. What I particularly noticed was Penny's father buying the log of the Black Rock. Now that's what I call a major clue. He must find out something in that log that sets off his search for the island. Taking his personality into account, I'd have to guess it is some kind of quest for power. He already has enough wealth. And perhaps Ben is the nexus of that power? Is Penny's father behind the quest of the freighter? I have always thought that the Others were either descendants of or, given the strange time warp of the island, the crew of the Black Rock. Remember the first time Ben, as a boy, meets Richard in the forest? Richard has long hair and is dressed like a seaman. Plus, Richard has not aged a day since then. I suppose that would make Jacob the captain of the Black Rock. However, at the auction the year cited for the Black Rock's loss was 1845. Dynamite was not invented until 1867. Is that another clue? And how did some Malagayan pirates, as stated at the auction, get a hold of the log of the ship without getting a hold of the ship itself? Perhaps the ship was grabbed by pirates in 1845 and then used for their nefarious purposes for over twenty years until they wrecked on the island after 1867 with a cargo of dynamite? Of course, dynamite would never last over a hundred years in a tropical environment. I'm getting a headache. Let alone dealing with Minkowski spacetime. Last edited by Rohirrim; 02-28-2008 at 11:33 PM..

03-31-2008, 02:36 AM	#74
Pseudofool Cynic at Large Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Kingdom of Solipsism Posts: 2,893 Adopt-a-Bronco: Me?	The Oceanic Six The final member of The Oceanic Six is in the coffin at the end of Season 3. Either Locke or Sawyer, given that no one went to the funeral. Of course Jin could count as one too. But I imagine he's one of the eight, like Aaron's mother (name escapes me at the moment)--who is likely dead because Jack refuses to visit Aaron...

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02-23-2008, 05:07 PM	#51
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	I did get a chuckle out of Jin trying to pronounce "Albuquerque".

02-24-2008, 04:14 PM	#52
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	Something else I've thought about. Jack tells Kate at the end of Season Three "We have to go back (to the island)" to which Kate says basically "No way". Now we know at least two reasons why Kate won't go back. 1) She's under court order not to flee the state and 2) She's now taking care of a kid (unless the person in the coffin is Aaron as I wondered it might be).

02-29-2008, 12:48 AM	#55
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quentin Jammer	damn Ro. I had a theory but I totally forgot what it was after reading your post. You get a helluva lot deeper than me, thats for sure.

02-29-2008, 10:47 AM	#56
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	http://www.key64.net/article/1312-pa...nd-the-curtain http://www.hatch23.com/ The occult secrets of Lost

02-29-2008, 11:02 AM	#58
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,471 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	Now we know the Island exists within a rip in the fabric of time and space ... remembr the bizarre magnetic event when they failed to key in the code in the underground station.

02-29-2008, 11:04 AM	#59
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	you guys should read ubik by Phillip K dick

02-29-2008, 12:37 PM	#60
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 49,113	The other thing that has always bugged me is that the Black Rock is located in the middle of the island. How did it get there? Hurricane? Tsunami? Is it tied to the black cloud? Mystery upon mystery.

02-29-2008, 01:32 PM	#62
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	One person's explanation: (note: potential spoiler theories included) http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm Not sure I accept all of it but it begins to unravel how there can be like two separate worlds that don't sync up. One thing I don't think this theory answers is why Locke seems to gain and lose the use of his legs periodically even while on the island.

03-20-2008, 01:43 PM	#64
55CrushEm Dynamic Duo Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: North of Boston, MA Posts: 5,654 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quanterus Smith	Tonight's episode is called "Meet Kevin Johnson". It is supposed to be centered around Michael. It is also the last episode until April 24th, at which time the final 5 episodes of Season Four will commence. Here's some info that I found online...... THE TEASE! ''Meet Kevin Johnson'' is the eighth episode of Lost's fourth season and the last episode that was filmed before the Writers Guild of America went on strike for three months. The good news is that the strike is over and the show is back at work; at present, cast and crew are shooting the ninth episode. The bad news is that we'll have to wait until April 24 to see it. (Curse you, post-production demands!) The slightly worse news is that when our mutual obsession comes back next month, it will air at 10 p.m., a brutal time slot for people like me, whose glittering mental carriage morphs back into a moldy pumpkin at exactly 10:01 p.m. So relish this, the last installment of the year to air at a sane hour. It promises to be a dynamite chapter in the unfolding Lost saga, according to executive producer Damon Lindelof: ''Yes, you'll find out a lot about Michael. But you'll ALSO learn why bearded Jack was unable to jump. AND where the Others are holed up. AND, according to those silly promos, apparently someone dies, too.'' The promise of additional intrigue about Grizzly Jack's flash-forward despair in an episode that would APPEAR to be about Michael? Curious. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20185253,00.html

03-20-2008, 01:55 PM	#65
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,471 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	As great as this show is ... I'm getting frustrated with the leaning toward soap-opera-like plotlines. The Ben as a prisoner/Locke as a dictator plotline is bizarre, and completely unrealistic to human nature. And the women are really taking too much of the soft-focus, over-made up quality ... I liked it better when the actors were haggard, as it would be in reality.

03-20-2008, 06:23 PM	#66
Kid A Ring of Famer I don't need love. I just need wins Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rahim Moore	You have a point, but honestly Ben is probably the most interesting character right now. Hopefully things start coming to a head tonight with the reintroduction of Michael. We know who the Six are, now we're ready to see it go down. The most interesting parts of this season have been the flash forwards (Sayid as an assassin, Kate as Aaron's mother), so I'm ready for them to get off the island.

03-21-2008, 12:19 AM	#69
Kid A Ring of Famer I don't need love. I just need wins Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rahim Moore	They've made it clear in the ads that the Six have been revealed, and one ad seemed to imply Aaron was among them, so I'm going to assume he is one of them. I do agree, though, that there are a lot of questions surrounding that whole situation.

03-21-2008, 03:27 PM	#71
Kid A Ring of Famer I don't need love. I just need wins Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rahim Moore	haha, true. I suppose I should have said I am especially intrigued by the questions surrounding that storyline. On the topic of last night's episode, a couple thoughts: 1) who put that plane at the bottom of the sea? Ben's people claim Whitmore, Whitmore's claim Ben. We've been made not to like Whitmore because of his treatment of Desmond, but something tells me his reasons for finding the island may be surprisingly benign, at least compared to Ben's motives. 2) Mr. Friendly is gay. 3) did they really just kill off Danielle, and was Ben behind it?

03-24-2008, 07:24 PM	#72
broncoblue english not british!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: nr blackburn ,england Posts: 3,754	just watched the 8th ...man this show blows your mind

03-31-2008, 05:38 PM	#75
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	Since we see a few characters return who were not technically one of the six that apparently get off the island (Desmond, possibly Juliet?), the person in the coffin isn't well defined yet many have commented that the coffin looked too small to be a normal-sized adult which would seem to leave out Locke and Sawyer, particularly since both don't seem interested in leaving the island at all so I have no idea why they'd be in Los Angeles. I've theorized that the one in the coffin is Aaron which (for reasons which still aren't clear) Jack doesn't want to see yet he wants to see Kate so he comes to the funeral home hoping to find her. The flash-forwards of bearded drugged-out Jack obviously happen later in time than the ones of the clean-shaven Jack that appear at Kate's trial and shooting hoops with Hurley in other flash-forwards. It is the drugged-out Jack that shows up at the funeral home so it is possible that the person in the coffin is Aaron (Claire's son) if that is, indeed, the same Aaron that left the island.