Obama Campaign: 'She Can't Catch Us' - The Orange Mane

frerottenextelway · 02-13-2008, 11:23 AM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi..._catch_us.html

Plouffe: She can't catch us

As we wrote last night, Obama has begun to make his own inevitablity case, and David Plouffe made it explicit on a conference call this morning, telling reporters that it's now "next to impossible" for Clinton to surpass what he says is a 136-person lead among pledged delegates.

"The only way she could do it is by winning most of the rest of the contests by 25 to 30 points," he said. "Even the most creative math really does not get her, ever, back to even in terms of pledged delegates."

"This is not about votes -- it's about delegates," Plouffe said.

The other half of this case, of course, is that superdelegates will and/or should follow the pledged delegates.

alkemical · 02-13-2008, 11:41 AM

Of course not, you ever try catching a cokehead? They are fast!

Hotrod · 02-13-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

Of course not, you ever try catching a cokehead? They are fast!

you simply gotta out smart'em

I'm not sure it this was a good move or not. It will either piss off the Clintonites or crush their spirit.

alkemical · 02-13-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

you simply gotta out smart'em

I'm not sure it this was a good move or not. It will either piss off the Clintonites or crush their spirit.

Dude, crush their spirit? They sold that back in Arkansas to the lowest bidder. Where do you think wal*mart got the price roll back thing from?

TailgateNut · 02-13-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

Of course not, you ever try catching a cokehead? They are fast!

So someone who has experimented with cocaine while young is a cokehead?

I'd be interested in how many posters here have tried/ used drugs in the lifetime. P
I assume we probably would get the same percentage of honest answers as I did when I asked who voted for Bush.

alkemical · 02-13-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

So someone who has experimented with cocaine while young is a cokehead?

I'd be interested in how many posters here have tried/ used drugs in the lifetime. P
I assume we probably would get the same percentage of honest answers as I did when I asked who voted for Bush.

There are common patterns amongst people who favor certain types of drugs, and cokeheads IMO have some of the least desirable traits.

TailgateNut · 02-13-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

There are common patterns amongst people who favor certain types of drugs, and cokeheads IMO have some of the least desirable traits.

So in your mind there is no difference with a one time or maybe even a casual user than a habitual user?

IMO Meth and Opiate users are the bottom of the barrel. The will rob their own mother to get their fix.

alkemical · 02-13-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

So in your mind there is no difference with a one time or maybe even a casual user than a habitual user?

IMO Meth and Opiate users are the bottom of the barrel. The will rob their own mother to get their fix.

HA! You haven't met too many cokeheads then! This one guy ben basically stole $5k from his mom to pay for his nose.

The Lone Bolt · 02-13-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

Of course not, you ever try catching a cokehead? They are fast!

Then why is bush so slow?

TailgateNut · 02-13-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

HA! You haven't met too many cokeheads then! This one guy ben basically stole $5k from his mom to pay for his nose.

I went to a neighborhood meeting re: the meth issue last year and the consensus was that the meth epidemic was the #1 factor listed as the abnormal rise in burglaries, and identity fraud.

I guess WE need to find some supporting evidence. Regardless, are you STILL comparing a one time user to a full blown COKEHEAD?

TailgateNut · 02-13-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Lone Bolt

Then why is bush so slow?

He's pretty fast, when running from the truth.

alkemical · 02-13-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Lone Bolt

Then why is bush so slow?

He's out run Cheney's birdshot so far!

Spider · 02-13-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

So someone who has experimented with cocaine while young is a cokehead?

I'd be interested in how many posters here have tried/ used drugs in the lifetime. P
I assume we probably would get the same percentage of honest answers as I did when I asked who voted for Bush.

Coke is an entire different ball game . hell I have smoked pot , poped pills mainly uppers ....But never ever ****ed with coke or crack , herion , LSD ...

alkemical · 02-13-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

I went to a neighborhood meeting re: the meth issue last year and the consensus was that the meth epidemic was the #1 factor listed as the abnormal rise in burglaries, and identity fraud.

I guess WE need to find some supporting evidence. Regardless, are you STILL comparing a one time user to a full blown COKEHEAD?

How do you KNOW Obama's been a "one time user". Support your statements first. Different drugs, relate to the make up of people both psychologically as well as chemically. Some may like Marijuana more just due to the chemical nature of their own bodies, others may like it more for the emotional (It is sort of illusionary though) way they can manage things.

With Meth & Coke (meth is cheaper to make than coke, and is very popular, but crack/coke are still popular on the drug market) - there is a different "profile" if you will of a user of a particular drug of choice. (Sort of like if you are an anal circuited person, or an oral circuited person, etc)

IMO, the make up of a "user" that is into Meth isn't much different than Cocaine.

alkemical · 02-13-2008, 12:49 PM

Here's a good place to get started:

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/c...TRY=1&SRETRY=0

Psychological functioning of cocaine free-basers derived from objective psychological tests
Robert J. Craig, Ph.D. *
West Side Veterans Administration Medical Center Chicago, Illinois

*Correspondence to Robert J. Craig, (123), Drug Abuse Program, West Side VA Medical Center, 820 S. Damen Avenue, Chicago, Illinois 60612

Abstract
This paper reports on two separate studies that compared cocaine free-basers with opiate addicts on objective personality tests (Adjective Checklist and MMPI). Both groups showed a similar organization of needs. While opiate addicts were characterized by acting-out traits, rebelliousness, depression, anxiety, alienation, and hyperactivity, the cocaine free-basers were characterized by similar traits, but at modulated levels of severity. Implications for treatment programs and for pharmacodynamic theories, with emphasis on the relationship between underlying personality structure and drug of choice, were discussed.

You will have to track the article down - but you can formulate some starting point from here.

Hotrod · 02-13-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

HA! You haven't met too many cokeheads then! This one guy ben basically stole $5k from his mom to pay for his nose.

Wow that is low. Your telling me some dude named Ben who happened to use coke stole 5K from his own mother to have plastic surgery on his nose

alkemical · 02-13-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

Wow that is low. Your telling me some dude named Ben who happened to use coke stole 5K from his own mother to have plastic surgery on his nose

lol, smart ass.

Rohirrim · 02-13-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

So someone who has experimented with cocaine while young is a cokehead?

I'd be interested in how many posters here have tried/ used drugs in the lifetime. P
I assume we probably would get the same percentage of honest answers as I did when I asked who voted for Bush.

Denver Crush · 02-13-2008, 04:48 PM

I can neither confirm nor deny those accusations, but a few snorts back in the day doesnt make one a cokehead or a methhead. For some its just a phase.

frerottenextelway · 02-13-2008, 08:14 PM

Clinton Campaign: 'We Can't Catch Him'

From Drudge:

NYT THURSDAY: Clinton's advisers acknowledged it would be difficult to catch up in race for pledged delegates even if she succeeded in winning 3 states on which she is most pinning her hopes: Ohio and Texas in March and Pennsylvania in April. Dem party's rules would be decided obstacle in efforts to catch up to Obama before voting phase of nominating process ends later in spring... Developing...

TexanBob · 02-13-2008, 10:49 PM

Just drama. Don't write off the Clintons until they have sued to have the delegates counted in Michigan and Florida. You know it is coming. They aren't going to shrivel up and blow away, much as I wish they would.

Now Bill is out there screaming "Media Bias!" ROFLMAO The same media that carried his water all throughout the 1990s. NOW, they're suddednly biased!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 02-14-2008, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

Of course not, you ever try catching a cokehead? They are fast!

Especially on a mountain bike.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 02-14-2008, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TexanBob

The same media that carried his water all throughout the 1990s.

You must have been living in some strange parallel universe in the 90s.

Here in the real world, it was open season on Clinton by the media - and no holds barred.

frerottenextelway · 02-14-2008, 08:36 AM

RASMUSSEN: Obama Takes Double Digit Lead Nationally: Obama 49% to Clinton 37%; Obama leads among women 46% to 41%

Put a nail in it, this one is over.

Traveler · 02-14-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

RASMUSSEN: Obama Takes Double Digit Lead Nationally: Obama 49% to Clinton 37%; Obama leads among women 46% to 41%

Put a nail in it, this one is over.

Can't get setup like that. This might derail his possible nomination:

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02-13-2008, 11:23 AM	#1
frerottenextelway █████ █████ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: █████ Posts: 7,888 Adopt-a-Bronco: ██	Obama Campaign: 'She Can't Catch Us' http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi..._catch_us.html Plouffe: She can't catch us As we wrote last night, Obama has begun to make his own inevitablity case, and David Plouffe made it explicit on a conference call this morning, telling reporters that it's now "next to impossible" for Clinton to surpass what he says is a 136-person lead among pledged delegates. "The only way she could do it is by winning most of the rest of the contests by 25 to 30 points," he said. "Even the most creative math really does not get her, ever, back to even in terms of pledged delegates." "This is not about votes -- it's about delegates," Plouffe said. The other half of this case, of course, is that superdelegates will and/or should follow the pledged delegates.

02-13-2008, 11:41 AM	#2
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,691 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	Of course not, you ever try catching a cokehead? They are fast!

02-13-2008, 12:49 PM	#15
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,691 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	Here's a good place to get started: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/c...TRY=1&SRETRY=0 Psychological functioning of cocaine free-basers derived from objective psychological tests Robert J. Craig, Ph.D. * West Side Veterans Administration Medical Center Chicago, Illinois *Correspondence to Robert J. Craig, (123), Drug Abuse Program, West Side VA Medical Center, 820 S. Damen Avenue, Chicago, Illinois 60612 Abstract This paper reports on two separate studies that compared cocaine free-basers with opiate addicts on objective personality tests (Adjective Checklist and MMPI). Both groups showed a similar organization of needs. While opiate addicts were characterized by acting-out traits, rebelliousness, depression, anxiety, alienation, and hyperactivity, the cocaine free-basers were characterized by similar traits, but at modulated levels of severity. Implications for treatment programs and for pharmacodynamic theories, with emphasis on the relationship between underlying personality structure and drug of choice, were discussed. You will have to track the article down - but you can formulate some starting point from here.

02-13-2008, 04:48 PM	#19
Denver Crush THC Content Analyst Bad Moon Rising Join Date: May 2001 Location: Purple Mountains Majesty Posts: 1,462	I can neither confirm nor deny those accusations, but a few snorts back in the day doesnt make one a cokehead or a methhead. For some its just a phase.

02-13-2008, 08:14 PM	#20
frerottenextelway █████ █████ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: █████ Posts: 7,888 Adopt-a-Bronco: ██	Clinton Campaign: 'We Can't Catch Him' From Drudge: NYT THURSDAY: Clinton's advisers acknowledged it would be difficult to catch up in race for pledged delegates even if she succeeded in winning 3 states on which she is most pinning her hopes: Ohio and Texas in March and Pennsylvania in April. Dem party's rules would be decided obstacle in efforts to catch up to Obama before voting phase of nominating process ends later in spring... Developing...

02-13-2008, 10:49 PM	#21
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	Just drama. Don't write off the Clintons until they have sued to have the delegates counted in Michigan and Florida. You know it is coming. They aren't going to shrivel up and blow away, much as I wish they would. Now Bill is out there screaming "Media Bias!" ROFLMAO The same media that carried his water all throughout the 1990s. NOW, they're suddednly biased!

02-14-2008, 08:36 AM	#24
frerottenextelway █████ █████ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: █████ Posts: 7,888 Adopt-a-Bronco: ██	RASMUSSEN: Obama Takes Double Digit Lead Nationally: Obama 49% to Clinton 37%; Obama leads among women 46% to 41% Put a nail in it, this one is over.