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Old 11-06-2007, 07:33 PM   #1
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Default Tulowitzki snubbed out of a Gold Glove

Jimmy Rollins won it instead even though all of the fielding evidence swings in Troy Tulowitzki's favor as being the better defensive player. This happens every year at multiple positions, superior offensive player with more name recognition gets the award over a more deserving guy.

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National League Gold Glovers

C: Russell Martin, Dodgers
1B: Derrek Lee, Cubs
2B: Orlando Hudson, Diamondbacks
3B: David Wright, Mets ([Ryan Zimmerman got snubbed, too)
SS: Jimmy Rollins, Phillies
OF: Andruw Jones, Braves
OF: Carlos Beltran, Mets
OF: Aaron Rowand, Phillies (Frenchie and Rowand tied in votes)
OF: Jeff Francoeur, Braves
SP: Greg Maddux, Padres (Reputation pick)

American League Gold Glovers

C: Ivan Rodriguez, Tigers (another lousy rep pick)
1B: Kevin Youkilis, Red Sox
2B: Placido Polanco, Tigers
3B: Adrian Beltre, Mariners
SS: Orlando Cabrera, Angels (Thank God no Jeter this year!)
OF: Grady Sizemore, Indians
OF: Torii Hunter, Twins
OF: Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners
SP: Johan Santana, Twins
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:55 PM   #2
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Nice to see AB finally get one. He's earned it.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:48 PM   #3
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Tulo wasn't deserving of the gold glove. Sure, he led the league in fielding percentage, assists, putouts and double plays - but he didn't do well in some of the other important fielding categories.

I can't remember what they are, but there must be some.

Plus, he plays in the thin air at Coors Field, which always boosts a shortstop's fielding numbers. Everyone knows that.
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You can't be serious. Tulo, while he has a cannon, can't get to half the balls that Rollins makes look routine.

It's one thing to defend your player, but, it's assinine to make blind judgements about another. Rollins is twice the defensive SS that Tulo is. I don't care about stats. Stats only tell you about the balls you field. If you just read the stats, you won't see the huge difference in range between Tulo and Rollins.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:07 AM   #5
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You can't be serious. Tulo, while he has a cannon, can't get to half the balls that Rollins makes look routine.

It's one thing to defend your player, but, it's assinine to make blind judgements about another. Rollins is twice the defensive SS that Tulo is. I don't care about stats. Stats only tell you about the balls you field. If you just read the stats, you won't see the huge difference in range between Tulo and Rollins.
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So we're supposed to take your subjective opinion to heart on this because you watched a few games on TV. A vast majority of the baseball community believes Rollins getting the Gold Glove is a farce. Rollins is an above-average defensive SS, but Tulo was the best in the league and deserved the accolades. This isn't an indictment on Rollins, just a quarrel with the best defensive shortstop in the league not getting his pub.


Tulo gets to more balls than Rollins. They now have a metric that measures that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/...umn=zoneRating
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You can't be serious. Tulo, while he has a cannon, can't get to half the balls that Rollins makes look routine.

It's one thing to defend your player, but, it's assinine to make blind judgements about another. Rollins is twice the defensive SS that Tulo is. I don't care about stats. Stats only tell you about the balls you field. If you just read the stats, you won't see the huge difference in range between Tulo and Rollins.
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This post is hilarious. You are doing exactly what you are telling others not to. You dismiss the fielding stats and then base your argument off of hyperbole.
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You can't be serious. Tulo, while he has a cannon, can't get to half the balls that Rollins makes look routine.

It's one thing to defend your player, but, it's assinine to make blind judgements about another. Rollins is twice the defensive SS that Tulo is. I don't care about stats. Stats only tell you about the balls you field. If you just read the stats, you won't see the huge difference in range between Tulo and Rollins.
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Man, you're WAY off on this. Tulo's stats aren't based on his inability to get to balls - he's got incredible range. And your argument about stats is both right and wrong. In theory, a shortstop with cement in his shoes could have a great fielding percentage. But his numbers will stand out like a sore thumb, because he'll have a lot less fielding chances. If a guy has 280 total chances in, say, 1,300 - 1,400 innings, then you know there's something weird (and anyone responsible for him being on the field should be fired, but I digress). In most cases, shots that a better defensive shortstop could get to would be ruled hits against the player with no range.

But Jimmy Rollins played in 1,441 innings this year, and he had 717 total chances. Tulo played less innings (1,375) and had more total chances (834). The Rockies pitching staff is filled with a bunch of ground ball guys, so it makes sense he'd have more opportunities. So, Tulo had more putouts and assists (by a pretty wide margin, really) with fewer chances than Rollins. In addition, he had more double plays - again, with fewer opportunities.

Honestly, I don't see that you have any basis for your argument, other than being a Phillies fan. Unfortunately, Gold Gloves aren't usually given to the players who deserve them.
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Old 11-13-2007, 08:57 PM   #8
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So we're supposed to take your subjective opinion to heart on this because you watched a few games on TV. A vast majority of the baseball community believes Rollins getting the Gold Glove is a farce. Rollins is an above-average defensive SS, but Tulo was the best in the league and deserved the accolades. This isn't an indictment on Rollins, just a quarrel with the best defensive shortstop in the league not getting his pub.


Tulo gets to more balls than Rollins. They now have a metric that measures that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/...umn=zoneRating
"A vast majority of the baseball community believes Rollins getting the Gold Glove is a farce"

Can you produce a link or something credible that backs up that statement? or, are you referring to all the "diehard" colorado fans?

"Tulo gets to more balls than Rollins. They now have a metric that measures that."

You really aren't saying that with a straight face are you? Do you really buy that, what did they call it.... "Range factor" as a stat? If you buy that garbage, there is no hope for you as a baseball man.

You can't judge range as a stat. It really doesn't matter what I think or what Rockies "fans" think. If you need proof that Rollins is the best Defensive SS in the NL (and offensive btw), take the time and poll the NL's opposing fans. I hear it from the Marlins, Nats, Stros, Cubs, Braves and Mets fans all the time. Chit, if a Met fan can admit that Rollins is better then Reyes, I'm sure they will agree he is better then Tulo.

Don't take it as a knock on Tulo. The kid is a stud. He has all the upside, but, right now, Rollins is better in EVERY aspect of the game.

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