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[JCMElway]

The defense for my team:

My team is well balanced with attention given to scoring, assits, 3 pt shooting, rebounding, blocks, and DEFENSE. Every player will know his role and execute it to perfection under popovitch. Who knows how many rings Pop will have when it's all said and done?

--No one will out rebound my team.

--No team will out-scrap or out-work my team. I also chose guys that have a history of having good character, so they will blend together as a unit quickly.

--My team will be very hard to score on with the great defenders on the team and Popovitch's commitment to defense.

C - Hakeem Olajuwon -- 50 greatest, 9 all time defensive selections, future hall of famer, All time blocks leader, 11th all time total rebounds
PF - Jerry Lucas -- 50 greatest, hall of famer, 4th all time RPG
SF - Bob Petit -- 50 greatest, hall of famer, 3rd all time RPG, 6th all time PPG
SG - Gilbert Arenas -- Great 3 pt shooter, 20th all time PPG
PG - John Stockton -- Future hall of famer, most assists all time, 5 all defensive teams

Bench:
PG/SG: Hal Greer -- 50 greatest, hall of famer, scoring off the bench
SG: Hank Luisetti -- 2nd best player all time pre 1950, good scorer.
PG: Don Buse -- 6 time all defensive team selection, good assist numbers to back up Stockton
SG/SF: Bobby Jones -- 11 time all defensive team selection
SG/SF/PF/C: Gus "Honeycomb" Johnson --Great defender, great scorer, great dunker, and versatile, 2 all defensive teams (Would have had more, but they started doing the all defensive selections at the end of his career.) Could guard any player on the floor.
SF/PF: Bob Horry -- Big shot Bob, will nail the big 3 in crunch time
C: Elmore Smith -- 2.9 blocks per game, 5th best all time

COACH: Greg Popovitch -- Three time NBA champ

[JCMElway]

Here is another set of rankings from someone who PMed me.

15:Eddie Mac -- 20
14:Angrylama -- 29
13:AZ Bronco -- 26
12:JCM Elway -- 12
11:ManGoblin -- 17
10:Master Pain -- 20
9:Running and gunning -- 20
8:GSReylea -- 20
7:BobHorry -- 16
6:Vance Johnson82 -- 13
5: phibacka -- 7
4:Killericon -- 18
3:Freak6 -- 6
2:Ludo -- 3
1:YouCandoit -- 5


And here are the current standings. I have averaged everyone who has two rankings done on their team.

1. Angrylama -- 14.5
2. AZ Bronco -- 13
3. JCMElway -- 12
4. Eddie Mac -- 10
5. Master Pain -- 10
6. Running and gunning -- 10
7. GSReylea -- 10
8. Killericon -- 9
9. ManGoblin -- 8.5
10. Rshack -- 8
11. BobHorry -- 8
12. Vance Johnson82 -- 6.5
13. phibacka -- 3.5
14. Freak6 -- 3
15. YouCandoit -- 2.5
16. Ludo -- 1.5

[azbroncfan]

Lets do as Llama suggested and do a brackett tournament and you have to argue against the other team as to why your team should move on.

[JCMElway]

Originally Posted by azbroncfan

Lets do as Llama suggested and do a brackett tournament and you have to argue against the other team as to why your team should move on.

We can do that AZ, but here is my concern. We don't have enough people that are still interested in this process to participate to make it worth our while. I only know of about five of us that are still checking this thread with any regularity. That's going to make it tough to get any kind of cohesive judging process rolling. If we can get half of us (eight participants) involved let's do it. Otherwise it would be pointless. We can already say that four of us are interested (I can vouch for Bobhorry here.) If four more guys step up, then we are a go. And to be involved in this type of process i need everyone to chime in and say they want to be involved. Anyone who does not come on here and say they want to be in the tournament will not be included. A simple "I'm in" will suffice.

First we have to rank the teams to get them in the brackets. Let's get 2 or 3 more rankings and that will be the order of the bracket. Once we have the teams ranked we'll have two brackets with the odd numbered teams in one bracket and the even numbered teams in another. The two teams can post their case as to why they would be the other team and then everyone gets a vote as to which teams would beat which. And that process would repeatr itself in the next round, up to the finals.

Ultimately, I think my version of evaluation is going to work better because the bracket method is going to take some work and effort. With the dwindling number of participants here, ramping up the involvement to the process may be difficult. Anyway, if we get four more owners to say they will participate, we're a go for the bracket method.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by JCMElway

We can do that AZ, but here is my concern. We don't have enough people that are still interested in this process to participate to make it worth our while. I only know of about five of us that are still checking this thread with any regularity. That's going to make it tough to get any kind of cohesive judging process rolling. If we can get half of us (eight participants) involved let's do it. Otherwise it would be pointless. We can already say that four of us are interested (I can vouch for Bobhorry here.) If four more guys step up, then we are a go. And to be involved in this type of process i need everyone to chime in and say they want to be involved. Anyone who does not come on here and say they want to be in the tournament will not be included. A simple "I'm in" will suffice.

First we have to rank the teams to get them in the brackets. Let's get 2 or 3 more rankings and that will be the order of the bracket. Once we have the teams ranked we'll have two brackets with the odd numbered teams in one bracket and the even numbered teams in another. The two teams can post their case as to why they would be the other team and then everyone gets a vote as to which teams would beat which. And that process would repeatr itself in the next round, up to the finals.

Ultimately, I think my version of evaluation is going to work better because the bracket method is going to take some work and effort. With the dwindling number of participants here, ramping up the involvement to the process may be difficult. Anyway, if we get four more owners to say they will participate, we're a go for the bracket method.

Lets do your method first to rank the teams, then we can seed them accordingly and have a theoretical competition where we can talk individual matchups and systems. Ultimately we can have an overall champion.

[RhymesayersDU]

The tournament sounds fun... I'm still interested in this thread, but I'll admit, I don't even know what to say in judging other people's teams. I mean, everybody has a set of great players. The only poor team is Ludo's, everybody else has so many strengths, it's like there's a 11-way tie for first.

But I'll keep checking in on this thread, I like reading people's analysis' of my team and the others.

[JCMElway]

C'mon Rhyme, sack up and rate these teams! I'm sure you won't hurt anyone's feelings.......

[RhymesayersDU]

Originally Posted by JCMElway

C'mon Rhyme, sack up and rate these teams! I'm sure you won't hurt anyone's feelings.......

It's not a feelings issue. Hell, it's not even an issue about having to give llama props on his squad, when him and I butt heads on many hoops issues. The issue is everybody outside of Ludo has an unbelievable squad. But I'll take another look and see what I can come up with.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Outside of the first couple of rounds in the actual draft, this should be the fun part of the deal.

[epicSocialism4tw]

1. Eddie Mac - 15pts
2. Freak 6 - 14
3. JCMElway - 13
4. AZBronco - 12
5. Killericon - 11
6. ManGoblin - 10
7. GSRelyea - 9
8. RShack - 8
9. Runnin' & Gunnin' - 7
10. BobHorry - 6
11. Master Pain - 5
12. phibacka - 4
13. VanceJohnson82 - 3
14. YouCandoit - 2
15. Ludo - 1

[JCMElway]

Current gross scores:

A.L - 15, 14
Eddie Mac - 15, 15, 5
Freak 6 - 14, 3, 3
JCMElway - 13, 12
AZBronco - 12, 13, 13
Killericon - 11, 14, 4
ManGoblin - 10, 6, 11
GSRelyea - 9, 12, 8
RShack - 8, 8
Runnin' & Gunnin' - 7, 11, 9
BobHorry - 6, 9, 7
Master Pain - 5 10, 10
phibacka - 4, 2, 7
VanceJohnson82 - 3, 7, 6
YouCandoit - 2, 4, 1
Ludo - 1, 2, 1

[JCMElway]

Updated standings:

1. A.L - 14.5
2. AZBronco - 12.7
3. JCMElway - 12.5
4. Eddie Mac - 11.6
5. Killericon - 9.7
6. GSRelyea - 9.7
7. ManGoblin - 9
8. Runnin' & Gunnin' - 9
9. Master Pain - 8.3
10. RShack - 8
11. BobHorry - 7.3
12. Freak 6 - 6.7
13. phibacka - 4.3
14. VanceJohnson82 - 5.3
15. YouCandoit - 1.6
16. Ludo - 1.3

[Master___Pain]

Originally Posted by JCMElway

Wow, this was REALLY hard. There is so much talent on every roster. I believe that teams 15-9 are extremelly close. To seperate these teams was to really split hairs and nitpick at the slightest deficiency. Everyone did great work.

My rankings:

10. Master Pain -- Issel will get abused at C. Apart from Gilmore who will play defense? You'll score a ton though. MP and BobHorry5 would have some manaiacal games.

Issel is not my starting C, the 7 foot shot blocker Artis Gilmore is. I've got plenty of defense in Gilmore, Wilkins, Magic, Eddie Jones, Otis Thorpe, Lever and Nance. While defense is certainly my weakest area, it's not quite as bad as you made it out to be.

Master Pain

Starting 5:
PF - Dan Issel
SF - Dominique Wilkins
C - Artis Gilmore
SG - Reggie Miller
PG - Magic Johnson

Bench:
G: Eddie Jones
G: Fat Lever
F: Glen Rice
F: David Thompson
F/C: Larry Nance
F/C: Otis Thorpe
C: Tom Chambers

COACH: Red Holzman

[vancejohnson82]

I think my team is being seriously underestimated

JMCElway, do you really think your team is going to outhustle mine out there?

I built my team around hte kind of teams that have been winning championships the last few years....boring, defensive, rebounding teams

my guys are getting the shaft here

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by vancejohnson82

I think my team is being seriously underestimated

JMCElway, do you really think your team is going to outhustle mine out there?

I built my team around hte kind of teams that have been winning championships the last few years....boring, defensive, rebounding teams

my guys are getting the shaft here

Well, you can rank them too.

Same goes for you, Master Pain.

[vancejohnson82]

Here Goes nothing:

1. GSReylea
2. KillerIcon
3. EddieMac
4. AngryLlama
5. JCMELWAY
6. Freak6
7. VanceJohnson
8. Runnin Gunnin
9. PhiBacka
10. MasterPain
11. Man-gobln
12. AZBRONCO
13. YouCanDoIt
14. RShack
15. BobHorry5
16. Ludo

I'll try and break them down a little bit later

[Master___Pain]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Well, you can rank them too.

Same goes for you, Master Pain.

Working on it...

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Master___Pain

Working on it...

[JCMElway]

Nice rankings guys. New point tallies will go up when MP is done.

[JCMElway]

Originally Posted by vancejohnson82

I think my team is being seriously underestimated

JMCElway, do you really think your team is going to outhustle mine out there?

I built my team around hte kind of teams that have been winning championships the last few years....boring, defensive, rebounding teams

my guys are getting the shaft here

If you think they are getting a shaft break down your team and say why they are one of the better teams in this draft. I di, matter of fact I'm going to bump the defense for my team post to keep it fresh for anyone who votes.

BTW, my team is also a rebounding, defensive, boring team. And to rank all of these teams was very hard. Any one of these 16 teams has a great shot to beat any of the other teams here. I do like your team , it just comes down to splitting hairs

[JCMElway]

BUMP

The defense for my team:

My team is well balanced with attention given to scoring, assits, 3 pt shooting, rebounding, blocks, and DEFENSE. Every player will know his role and execute it to perfection under popovitch. Who knows how many rings Pop will have when it's all said and done?

--No one will out rebound my team.

--No team will out-scrap or out-work my team. I also chose guys that have a history of having good character, so they will blend together as a unit quickly.

--My team will be very hard to score on with the great defenders on the team and Popovitch's commitment to defense.

C - Hakeem Olajuwon -- 50 greatest, 9 all time defensive selections, future hall of famer, All time blocks leader, 11th all time total rebounds
PF - Jerry Lucas -- 50 greatest, hall of famer, 4th all time RPG
SF - Bob Petit -- 50 greatest, hall of famer, 3rd all time RPG, 6th all time PPG
SG - Gilbert Arenas -- Great 3 pt shooter, 20th all time PPG
PG - John Stockton -- Future hall of famer, most assists all time, 5 all defensive teams

Bench:
PG/SG: Hal Greer -- 50 greatest, hall of famer, scoring off the bench, would have many 3's, 3 pt line developed after his time
SG: Hank Luisetti -- 2nd best player all time pre 1950, good scorer, would have many 3's, 3 pt line developed after his time
PG: Don Buse -- 6 time all defensive team selection, good assist numbers to back up Stockton, good 3 pt shooter
SG/SF: Bobby Jones -- 11 time all defensive team selection
SG/SF/PF/C: Gus "Honeycomb" Johnson --Great defender, great scorer, great dunker, and versatile, 2 all defensive teams (Would have had more, but they started doing the all defensive selections at the end of his career.) Could guard any player on the floor.
SF/PF: Bob Horry -- Big shot Bob, will nail the big 3 in crunch time
C: Elmore Smith -- 2.9 blocks per game, 5th best all time

COACH: Greg Popovitch -- Three time NBA champ

[Killericon]

Calgary Dinos



Starting Lineup

C - Nate Thurmond
PF - Ben Wallace
SF - Dave DeBusschere
SG - Micheal Jordan
PG - Jason Kidd

Coach - Pat Riley

Bench

C - Mark Eaton
F - Paul Arizin
F - Carlos Boozer
F - Joe Fulks
F/G - George Yardley
G - Allan Houston
G - T.J. Ford

Starting Lineup:

Jordan needs no summary. Offensively, Kidd will feed it to him on the perimeter, and to Thurmond inside. However, the obvious strength of this team is on defense. Kidd may be the best defensive point guard of his era. DeBusschere was on the 1st Team All-Defensive team every year that he was playing since it's inception. Ben Wallace has been Defensive Player of the Year 4 times. Nate Thurmond averaged 15 rebounds a game for his career(and 15 PPG)...and I heard Jordan wasn't so bad defensively either. That was my plan with the starting unit. Surround Jordan with a team that could shut down anybody, and could score enough to get by. Pat Riley is an excellent coach with a career .661 winning percentage. He can win in the Season, he can win when it counts.

Bench:

If my starters can't contain the opponents' scoring, however, my plan was to stock the bench with enough scorers to keep pace. I think I did alright. Arizin, Fulks and Yardley should probably be starting on somebody's team. Houston can roll in to keep Jordan fresh, or team up with him to make one of the more dynamic scoring guard pairs around. Eaton isn't meant to be a higher-scoring alternate to Thurmond, but Thurmond can score more than enough anyways. Boozer and Ford were meant to provide depth, but they're out of their league here.

Of my 5 Starters, 2 are active. The 3 who aren't were on the "One of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History" list. Off the Bench, Arizin was on the list as well. My starting unit combines for 41 All-Star Awards, 26 All-Defensive First Team Awards, 5 Defensive Player of the Year Awards, and Jordan won MVP 5 times.

I think I did alright.

[Killericon]

My Rankings:

Angrylama - 15
AZ Bronco - 14
JCMElway - 13
Eddie Mac - 12
GSReylea - 11
ManGoblin - 10
Rhymesayers - 9
Master Pain - 8
Rshack - 7
BobHorry - 6
Vance Johnson82 - 5
phibacka - 4
YouCandoit - 3
Freak6 - 2
Ludo - 1

[Master___Pain]

1. JCMELWAY
2. KillerIcon
3. EddieMac
4. GSReylea
5. VanceJohnson
6. Runnin Gunnin
7. AngryLlama
8. AZBRONCO
9. PhiBacka
10. Man-gobln
11. RShack
12. YouCanDoIt
13. BobHorry5
14. Freak6
15. Ludo

with my squad being the true number 1 of course

[JCMElway]

A.L - 15, 14, 15, 9
Eddie Mac - 15, 15, 5, 12, 13
Freak 6 - 14, 3, 3, 2, 2
JCMElway - 13, 12, 13, 15
AZBronco - 12, 13, 13, 13, 8
Killericon - 11, 14, 4, 14
ManGoblin - 10, 6, 11, 10, 6
GSRelyea - 9, 12, 8, 11, 12
RShack - 8, 8, 7, 5
Runnin' & Gunnin' - 7, 11, 9, 9, 10
BobHorry - 6, 9, 7, 6, 3
Master Pain - 5 10, 10, 8
phibacka - 4, 2, 7, 4, 7
VanceJohnson82 - 3, 7, 6, 5, 11
YouCandoit - 2, 4, 1, 3, 4
Ludo - 1, 2, 1, 1, 1