O.T. - Fatties overtaking America

[Jason in LA]

Originally Posted by CHANGSTER

not to mention the risk of losing a nipple

Don't those things grow back?

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by RkyMtnThunder

In order to get a more realistic idea of your BMI - it requires someone to actually take a physical test - caliper pinch test, water displacement

I agree, only using hight/weight to calculate BMI is useless.

Back when I was in college and into body building I would go to the university's fitness lab where they had a tank to get an exact measure of body fat. The calipers are a much better measuring tool than the BMI but even with those you can get a bad number on a person that carries an non-proportionate amount of fat in certain areas where they use the calipers. When I carry extra fat it is usually around the waistline where they use the calipers. I remember one time where the calipers was giving me an 11% body fat reading when using the dunk tank to get an exact reading I was at 7.4%. That is a pretty big margin of error. The calipers were showing me carrying 48% more fat than reality.

[Atwater His Ass]

You can get as scientific as you want, but as was said before, the mirror test never fails.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Back when I was in college and into body building I would go to the university's fitness lab where they had a tank to get an exact measure of body fat. The calipers are a much better measuring tool than the BMI but even with those you can get a bad number on a person that carries an non-proportionate amount of fat in certain areas where they use the calipers. When I carry extra fat it is usually around the waistline where they use the calipers. I remember one time where the calipers was giving me an 11% body fat reading when using the dunk tank to get an exact reading I was at 7.4%. That is a pretty big margin of error. The calipers were showing me carrying 48% more fat than reality.

Whenever I have had a caliper test done, it was taken at a few points on my body. Waistline, front of thigh, between shoulder blades, back of the arm

I presume they did so to counter the issue you just spoke of?

Anyhow - yeah, these tests are much better than simple BMI calculation. But most tests are only as good as the person administering it

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by RkyMtnThunder

Whenever I have had a caliper test done, it was taken at a few points on my body. Waistline, front of thigh, between shoulder blades, back of the arm

I presume they did so to counter the issue you just spoke of?

They did measure just above the knee and between the shoulder blades..can't remember if they did back of the arm or not.....I can't remember but I think they take an average of all those measures. Is that the case?

[RkyMtnThunder]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

They did measure just above the knee and between the shoulder blades..can't remember if they did back of the arm or not.....I can't remember but I think they take an average of all those measures. Is that the case?

I am not exactly positive, its been over a year and a half since I last had one done. But I think its along those lines.

I would suspect a caliper test taken at only one spot in the body. Like you said, people carry their weight differently

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

Really though, it isn't that hard to maintain a healthy weight. You don't even really need to work out. Just eating right is about 80% of the battle. If you never exercised but ate the right foods, you would be amazed at what that would do for you. Exercising is just icing on the cake.

However, it's too easy in our society to get that fast meal for yourself and/or family. Until people take the oneous on themselves, it will never change.

Wait until you hit your late 30s and early 40s. It's harder than heck to get off fat! If you don't start taking care of yourself by the mid 30s it's too late for some to ever recover.


So this study says American women are fat eh, who woulda thunk it?

[Bladerunner]

The BMI is not an accurate test for many people. Sadly, it is fairly accurate for the majority of the people that this article was discussing, the majority of Americans that are overweight, overfat, and underactive.

It's a disgusting trend that continues to get worse. I find it a pathetic attitude to seek justification and acceptance of a lazy and unhealthy lifestyle.

The Biggest Loser is a hard show to watch, but the only thing more amazing than the condition of the contestants at the beginning is the demonstration that a willfull lifestyle change is all that is required to completely transform one's life (self-image, health, family, almost everything that matters) for the better.

[NaptownChief]

I'm in the middle of fighting back the aging process. I had three back surgeries this past year and with all the complications I packed on some pounds...I wasn't able to walk for a while because of some nerve damage they did that messed up my right leg. And with all the pain I had from the nerve damage I found the best medicine and pain killer was beer.

But the good news is that the back is now doing great and I'm back in the gym. I've cleaned up about 15lbs in the last month and have about 10lbs more that I should have cleaned up in the next month.

[TexanBob]

Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

I get that kip. But in a lot of these studies (including this one), the bmi is what they use to base the statistics on and it's flawed.

Amen. Very flawed. I don't deny that America has a weight problem but the "crisis" is partly from flawed science and redefining downward what is overweight and what is obese.

Government is setting you up for more taxes. Just like cigarette taxes and gasoline taxes, be prepared for "fat taxes" coming to a liberal socialist nanny-state near you.

[mosca]

"It is time to stop feeling bad for people who walk around overweight. No one forces me, you, or anyone else to exercise. I view exercise as an investment in myself. I am able to function freely in this world, capable of using the body that I have been blessed with. Shoving food down your mouth and sitting on your ass all day and night is disrespectful to your body. The body should be respected, maintained, and improved." - Ross Enamait, Never Gymless

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Amen. Very flawed. I don't deny that America has a weight problem but the "crisis" is partly from flawed science and redefining downward what is overweight and what is obese.

Government is setting you up for more taxes. Just like cigarette taxes and gasoline taxes, be prepared for "fat taxes" coming to a liberal socialist nanny-state near you.

And everyone in the medical profession and biotech companies need to make sure we classify it as a "disease" so that they can push their own agenda's and bilk insurance companies for therapy, drugs and doctor visits.

As somebody recently stated that obesity is the only "disease" that you can cure with long walks and shutting your mouth.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Amen. Very flawed. I don't deny that America has a weight problem but the "crisis" is partly from flawed science and redefining downward what is overweight and what is obese.

Government is setting you up for more taxes. Just like cigarette taxes and gasoline taxes, be prepared for "fat taxes" coming to a liberal socialist nanny-state near you.

Life must suck for you having to live will all the "liberals" in this country.

Everything is a liberal conspiracy to tax you more...... I love it!!

[cutthemdown]

I started getting fat after my knee surgeries. That's it man it's time to work out!!!

[ro_50]

You have kids now-a-days spending time on their computers, iPods, in front of the TV and not playing outside.

And on their cell phones.

It's the times we live in. I'm from Alabama (now live in Jersey) and the lines for Chick-Fil-A around lunch time and in at dinner time in Bham were amazing. The lines extend to the streets often.

And one thing I like to know, how many Americans are eating out versus back in the 90's. I think a lot of people eat out much more than they back then. And as you guys know, often than not, the food is heavy and the costs are pricey.

No wonder we have obesity running rampant and growing debt.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

75 percent?! I'll be in the 25% by 7 years from now I trust.


Actually, my theory is that obese people are, from an evolutionary standpoint, a more HIGHLY ADAPTIVE human model. That sounds weird but follow my simple deduction, as follows:

Obesity is a pretty recent phenomenon in the homo sapien species - less than 100 years old only. We all know the agriculture/industrial revolution first ended daily manula labor for all, and first made food readily available in high concentrations to the masses in about 1900, or even later, post-WWII for most folks. Before then, unless you were rich, you had to work your arse off for food most of the time, and manual labor, walking and physical exertion were everyday occurrences for just about everybody.

THEREFORE, in those common periods of caloric restriction - whether caused by famine, poverty, no proximity to food, whatever - the best adapted human models could store fat to ward off DEATH. Accordingly then, the very very recent phenomena of plenty of food and lack of exercise has not been adapted yet in homo sapiens - and those who are fattest are the most evolved.

Actually this is a sound theory.

[Hotrod]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Actually this is a sound theory.

So did any of this information make you drop your doughnut and pick up a carrot stick?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Originally Posted by Hotrod

So did any of this information make you drop your doughnut and pick up a carrot stick?

It's 5:22 PM and all I've eaten today is a bowl of raisin bran. Bite me.

Also, I know for a FACT that I am not the fattest person on this forum.

[Hotrod]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

It's 5:22 PM and all I've eaten today is a bowl of raisin bran. Bite me.

Also, I know for a FACT that I am not the fattest person on this forum.

Why does your mom post here

[TexanBob]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Life must suck for you having to live will all the "liberals" in this country.

Everything is a liberal conspiracy to tax you more...... I love it!!

Laugh all you want. The advocacy for a fat tax is already taking root in Europe:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...70&in_a_source

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Laugh all you want. The advocacy for a fat tax is already taking root in Europe:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...70&in_a_source

Whats wrong with having people pay for the problems and costs they cause?

[Jason in LA]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

It's 5:22 PM and all I've eaten today is a bowl of raisin bran. Bite me.

Also, I know for a FACT that I am not the fattest person on this forum.

Yeah, but you probably rolled out of bed a 3 pm, had your mom fix you a bowl a ceral, and now you'll be playing video games until dawn. That picture of you at the Chiefs game is probably the last time you were actually outside.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Originally Posted by Jason in LA

Yeah, but you probably rolled out of bed a 3 pm, had your mom fix you a bowl a ceral, and now you'll be playing video games until dawn. That picture of you at the Chiefs game is probably the last time you were actually outside.

Actually I never roll out of bed. I live in my bed. I've grown so large I can't get out of it without heavy equipment. It takes a specially-constructed system of pulleys and weights just to lift my neck forward so I can eat. That picture of me at the Chiefs game was faked with photoshop. I wanted people to think I had actually been outside, but alas you have discovered my cunning ruse.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Laugh all you want. The advocacy for a fat tax is already taking root in Europe:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...70&in_a_source

I am a smoker, as result I pay more taxes over the course of the year than non smokers.

This is one of the prices I pay to engage in a self destructive habit.

I understand that smoking has a large impact on health care in this country which in turn elevates the premiums of everyone - smokers and non smokers alike.

Same can be said for the obesity problem in this country (in fact it is quickly replacing smoking as the #1 cause of preventable health ailments)....so I think its only fair to impose additional taxes on them as well.

[TexanBob]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Whats wrong with having people pay for the problems and costs they cause?

They already do with increased medical costs. But how far do you want to take this? Should gays be taxed because of their higher rates of HIV/AIDS infections? Should we tax cell phone users because of all the auto accidents they cause? How about we tax junkies for the damage they do through drug abuse?

Somehow, this concept of bankrupting people into better health has a flaw in it somewhere. Most people who earn less money tend to choose *less* healthy alternatives for food, not better choices.