O.T. - Fatties overtaking America

[BroncoBuff]

75 percent?! I'll be in the 25% by 7 years from now I trust.


Actually, my theory is that obese people are, from an evolutionary standpoint, a more HIGHLY ADAPTIVE human model. That sounds weird but follow my simple deduction, as follows:

Obesity is a pretty recent phenomenon in the homo sapien species - less than 100 years old only. We all know the agriculture/industrial revolution first ended daily manula labor for all, and first made food readily available in high concentrations to the masses in about 1900, or even later, post-WWII for most folks. Before then, unless you were rich, you had to work your arse off for food most of the time, and manual labor, walking and physical exertion were everyday occurrences for just about everybody.

THEREFORE, in those common periods of caloric restriction - whether caused by famine, poverty, no proximity to food, whatever - the best adapted human models could store fat to ward off DEATH. Accordingly then, the very very recent phenomena of plenty of food and lack of exercise has not been adapted yet in homo sapiens - and those who are fattest are the most evolved.

[Master___Pain]

Gah!!! I'm nearing obesity......well according to Jason's link. I'm 6' 200Lbs

I was 185 during the winter when all I was doing was skiing and playing Basketball. I laid off the weights for a few months. I've been lifting regularly since March and I've gained 15 pounds. My clothes all fit the same too. I tend to agree that BMI is a general range and not a accurate measure.

If that were accurate, you'd have every woman in America shoving her finger down her throat because that BMI test said she was overweight/obese.

[kamakazi_kal]

this thread is in need of a bob joke

[Traveler]

This thread makes me feel bad. Think I'll have a Nutty Bar.

[521 1N5]

People need to stop saying "overweight" and start calling it what it really is. Overfat. We have a constant need in this country not to hurt anybodies feelings, we've turned into such a p***Y nation.


BTW the hip hop generation/State of Mind is killing this country.

[mosca]

Originally Posted by vancejohnson82

that's crazy

i see it everyday, especially during the summer

when i was a kid, my friends and i (about 8 of us) would hop on our bikes and spend ALL DAY riding around, playing football, and doing other outside activities....nowadays, i dont see the fields being used by kids, nor do i see the amount of kids on bikes or anything

its the DAMN VIDEO GAMES!!!

haha

Totally agree... I was the same way as a kid. Don't get me wrong, I played a ton of video games, but when I wasn't doing that, we were outside, either playin' ball for hours, riding bikes, running around, etc. For 4-5 hours or more a day.

Nowadays, I live in a suburban neighborhood similar to the ones I lived in as a kid, and when I look around in the afternoons, when school is clearly out, I don't see as many kids outside as when I was a kid. I do see some, here and there, but nowhere near as many. It's as if kids actively doing stuff outdoors are an endangered species.

On the diet thing... don't forget the garbage that is high fructose corn syrup (HFCS). Stuff is like poison, and is used in just about everything in place of sugar. I read somewhere that it turns to fat about 2-3 times the rate of natural sugar.

As to the BMI issue, and how to know if one is truly "overweight" or not - use the oldskool method - look at your body in the mirror. The mirror does not lie.

[Atwater His Ass]

When I was growing up, we were not allowed in the house during the day in the summertime. We were allowed to play outside, ride bikes, do whatever, but we could only come inside to use the bathroom and eat lunch.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

When I was growing up, we were not allowed in the house during the day in the summertime. We were allowed to play outside, ride bikes, do whatever, but we could only come inside to use the bathroom and eat lunch.

Yep...me too.

[Hotrod]

Eat less move more..........problem solved.

[Atwater His Ass]

it's amazing how many people can't comprehend that hotrod.

[mosca]

I do see that it is a little more dangerous to just let your kids run around unsupervised these days, or seems that way, with all the news reports of kidnapped kids, child predators, drive-bys, etc. But still, in my neighborhood, which is a pretty decent one, sometimes in the afternoons it's deathly quiet, almost like a ghost town. Lotta times the only people I see outdoors are the older 55+ yrs. ones, doing yardwork or gardening.

I think a lot of the parents who are in their 20s and 30s are lazy to begin with, and don't encourage their children to do anything that they aren't - namely, sitting on their ass, munching on potato chips, watching TV, playing Xbox, etc.

[Hotrod]

Ok I took the BMI test and scored a 20.0 I'm having a double bacon cheeseburger for lunch as my reward

[BroncoBuff]

It's not that simple ... obesity occurs so much now not because people cannot control their eating, but because it goes against basic instinct. Limiting food intake grinds against our human evolution ... obesity hasn't had a chance to be genetically corrected for yet (see post ^^^)

You can't just magically POOF! - change millions of years of human evolution and instinct merely because it suddenly 'looks bad' or 'clogs arteries.' We're just human animals, subject to powerful instinctive drives.

[Atwater His Ass]

I disagree with that view broncobuff. People can control their eating, it's just hard. Humans are able to overcome their instincts, it's one of the things that sets us apart from animals.

People just want sympathy and an excuse as to why it's not their fault.

Mosca- yeah, things are more dangerous than they used to be, but it's no excuse to condem your children to a life of health problems because the parent is not only too lazy to take care of themselves, but can't even look out for the well being of their child.

[Jason in LA]

Originally Posted by 521 1N5

People need to stop saying "overweight" and start calling it what it really is. Overfat. We have a constant need in this country not to hurt anybodies feelings, we've turned into such a p***Y nation.


BTW the hip hop generation/State of Mind is killing this country.

You know what, I'm just going to leave that last comment alone. I don't see what it has to do with the topic, and...ah, forget it. No need to ruin this thread.

[mosca]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

It's not that simple ... obesity occurs so much now not because people cannot control their eating, but because it goes against basic instinct. Limiting food intake grinds against our human evolution ... obesity hasn't had a chance to be genetically corrected for yet (see post ^^^)

You can't just magically POOF! - change millions of years of human evolution and instinct merely because it suddenly 'looks bad' or 'clogs arteries.' We're just human animals, subject to powerful instinctive drives.

It may go against basic human instinct, but many people have been able to go contrary to the basic instincts for quite some time now. It may be difficult, but it is possible. Not to mention that the stuff we're clogging our arteries with these days is 100x more processed, unnatural, and loaded with chemicals than the stuff humans have been eating during the previous millions of years of human evolution. It's not only about limiting what you eat, but making sure that what you -do- eat is clean as opposed to junk.

[bronco militia]

Originally Posted by Traveler

This thread makes me feel bad. Think I'll have a Nutty Bar.

ha ha!

[mosca]

Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

Mosca- yeah, things are more dangerous than they used to be, but it's no excuse to condem your children to a life of health problems because the parent is not only too lazy to take care of themselves, but can't even look out for the well being of their child.

I agree - no excuse. I do think that there are more than a few parents who are overly concerned/paranoid and choose to keep their child sheltered indoors. Maybe more than there were years ago.

[521 1N5]

Originally Posted by Jason in LA

You know what, I'm just going to leave that last comment alone.

Good idea.

[DomCasual]

My son is indoors most of the day in the summer. There are two differences, that I see, from when I was a kid. First, it's hotter than hell here in Utah. It's above 100 every day. That just sucks for outdoor stuff. The other thing is air conditioning. When I was growing up (Englewood), if you wanted to stay cool, you waved a piece of tree bark in front of your face. We didn't have fancy shmancy air conditioning. So, there was really no good reason to stay indoors.

The video game thing is a big deal, though. Growing up, there were only so many hours you could play Pong without wanting to stick a salad fork in your eye. Now, nearly every kid has multiple gaming systems, and dozens of games.

And then there's that blasted rock and roll music, which is all about sex and worshiping Satan. But I digress.

[Jason in LA]

I've never really looked at the BMI test. I've heard that it was flawed. Now that I've read about it, and actually took the test, I can see that it is a BS test. The numbers from that article are probably off. The problem is probably not as bad as it would appear because the BMI test is saying that people of normal weight are overweight. I'm not saying that obesity isn't a problem. I can look around and see that it's a problem. But it doesn't look like it is as bad as that article is making it out to be.

[kappys]

Originally Posted by mosca

It may go against basic human instinct, but many people have been able to go contrary to the basic instincts for quite some time now. It may be difficult, but it is possible. Not to mention that the stuff we're clogging our arteries with these days is 100x more processed, unnatural, and loaded with chemicals than the stuff humans have been eating during the previous millions of years of human evolution. It's not only about limiting what you eat, but making sure that what you -do- eat is clean as opposed to junk.

Don't worry so much. We have pills to keep your arteries clean.

[Jason in LA]

Originally Posted by DomCasual

The video game thing is a big deal, though. Growing up, there were only so many hours you could play Pong without wanting to stick a salad fork in your eye. Now, nearly every kid has multiple gaming systems, and dozens of games.

I'm wondering how much of it is playing video games. When I was a kid my brothers and I played outside all the time. We had a crew of kids on our street, and we played football, baseball, and basketball all the time. We were always outside running around.

But we also had video games. We were Nintendo junkies. Played that thing everyday...when we were inside.

I guess we had a mixture of playing outside and playing video games.

[mosca]

Originally Posted by DomCasual

It's above 100 every day. That just sucks for outdoor stuff.

Not trying to be argumentative, but when I was a kid I spent tons of time outdoors in temperatures at or near 100 degrees. Didn't stop us from doing stuff. Of course in the thick of summer you do have to come indoors from time to time to cool off or drink something.

Originally Posted by DomCasual

The video game thing is a big deal, though. Growing up, there were only so many hours you could play Pong without wanting to stick a salad fork in your eye. Now, nearly every kid has multiple gaming systems, and dozens of games.

I grew up playing NES, SNES, Genesis, etc. and all kinds of different games. I didn't spend all day every day inside playing them like many kids seem to now.

[DenverBroncosJM]

I think it was posted on here at one point in time. Penn and Teller

Anyway they did a whole BMI thing and they took 3 guys who are considerd obese by the BMI chart and had them go up against someone who is considered normal on BMI chart, running, hurdles etc. the guy that was normal was damn near worthless. He was beaten by the "obese" people I think 90% of the tests.