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Old 06-29-2007, 03:40 PM   #351
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Okay I guess I'm filling in for Inkana here, I will go with Horace Grant, PF and Vince Carter, SG.


Horace Junior Grant (born July 4, 1965 in Augusta, Georgia) is a retired American basketball player. He attended and played college basketball at Clemson University, before playing professionally in the National Basketball Association (NBA), where he became a 4-time world champion. Horace Grant is the twin brother of Harvey Grant, who also played in the NBA.
Horace Grant was selected by the Chicago Bulls with the 10th overall pick of the 1987 NBA Draft. The 6' 10" power forward immediately teamed with Scottie Pippen to form the Bulls' forward tandem of the future, although he initially backed up Charles Oakley, one of the league's premier rebounders and post defenders.
In 1989, Grant moved into the starting lineup when Oakley was traded to the New York Knicks for center Bill Cartwright. He immediately became the Bulls' main rebounder, and established himself as the Bulls' third scoring option after Michael Jordan and Pippen, forming one of the league's best trios. Grant was a notably good defensive player which is witnessed by his four NBA All-Defensive Team selections.[1] He helped Chicago win three consecutive NBA championships (1990-91, 1991-92, and 1992-93).
After Jordan retired following the 1992-93 season, Grant became the number two star behind Pippen, and helped the Bulls push the Knicks to seven games in the second-round playoff series before being defeated. In the offseason, however, he left the Bulls as a free agent and joined the young and rising Orlando Magic, led by young phenoms Shaquille O'Neal and Anfernee 'Penny' Hardaway. Grant helped the Magic reach the 1995 NBA Finals, where they were swept in four games by the more experienced Houston Rockets. Grant spent the next several seasons with the Magic, until he was traded to the Seattle SuperSonics just before start of the 1999-2000 season.
After one year with the Sonics, he was involved in a three-way trade in which Glen Rice of the Los Angeles Lakers was sent to New York, Patrick Ewing of the Knicks was sent to Seattle, and Grant to the defending champion Lakers. He helped them win another championship in 2000-01, but in the offseason decided to leave Los Angeles and sign back with the Magic. Grant was cut by the Magic after being called a "cancer" to the team by then-coach Doc Rivers.[2] He retired at the beginning of the 2002-03 season, but briefly returned to the Lakers in the summer of 2003.
Grant was known as a strong defender and rebounder who could also provide a consistent source of points. He was easily recognizable by many NBA fans because of his trademark protective goggles.

Vince Carter, born in Daytona Beach, Florida, was a McDonald's All-American player in 1995 out of Mainland High School in Daytona Beach.[5] Carter enjoyed tremendous popularity during his initial years in the NBA, especially after showcasing his athletic abilities in the 2000 All-Star Slam Dunk Contest, in which he competed alongside teammate and second cousin[6] Tracy McGrady. He took the newly franchised Toronto Raptors to new heights as he helped the team to three playoff berths. Until 2006, Carter had perennially topped All-Star team voting. He currently plays for the New Jersey Nets. He is widely considered one of the elite players in the NBA.[

Hook Grant back up with Phil Jackson, gotta love the goggles. Vince Carter will be Phil's Kobe/MJ. This team has potential, good job Inkana.






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Old 06-29-2007, 05:50 PM   #352
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I figured that this guy would be gone by now, and at this point I have to go with the best player available. That player is:

W I L L I S R E E D

Full Name: Willis Reed Jr.
Born: 6/25/42 in Hico, La.
High School: West Side (Lillie, La.)
College: Grambling State
Drafted by: New York Knicks, 1964
(10th overall) Height: 6-10; Weight: 240 lbs.
Honors: Elected to Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame (1982); NBA champion (1970, '73); NBA MVP (1970); All-NBA First Team (1970); All-NBA Second Team (1967, '68, '69, '71); NBA All-Defensive Team (1970); Rookie of the Year (1965); One of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996).
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Of all the thrilling baskets scored in NBA history, there have been few more fabled than the two Willis Reed hit in the first few minutes of Game 7 of the 1970 NBA Finals. Although they counted for only four points on the scoreboard, they were worth a million buckets of inspiration in the hearts of the New York Knicks.



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Prior to Game 7, on May 8, 1970, at 7:30 p.m., Reed, the captain and main force of a multitalented New York Knicks team, was apparently sidelined with an injury that threatened his team's chances to win the NBA Championship. Fifteen minutes later he had become a legend, and the Knicks were on the way to their first NBA title.

In the first four games of the Finals against the formidable Los Angeles Lakers, Reed had scored 37, 29, 38 and 23 points, respectively, while averaging 15 rebounds. In the fourth quarter of Game 5 he sustained a deep thigh injury. The Knicks managed to survive that encounter but were demolished by the Lakers in Game 6.

The series was tied at three games apiece entering the decisive contest at Madison Square Garden. New York's Bill Bradley recalled Game 7 in an article in The New York Times: "We left the locker room for the warm-ups not knowing if Willis was going to come out or not."

At 7:34 p.m. Reed limped onto the court. The crowd went wild, and his teammates' confidence returned with a vengeance. Reed somehow managed to outjump Wilt Chamberlain. on the opening tip, then scored the game's first basket on a shot from the top of the key. He then scored the second New York basket from 20 feet out.

He did not score again, but he didn't have to; he had already inspired the Knicks to seize the day. New York led by as many as 29 points in the first half and eventually won the contest, 113-99.

Reed was the heart, soul and backbone of the Knicks' 1970 and 1973 championship teams. The 6-9, 240-pound former Grambling Tiger played 10 seasons in New York and appeared in seven NBA All-Star Games. He was NBA Rookie of the Year in 1964-65 and NBA Most Valuable Player in 1969-70. He was selected Finals MVP both years that the Knicks wore the crown.

Reed was born on June 25, 1942, in Hico, Louisiana, a place so tiny that he once told Pro Basketball Illustrated, "They don't even have a population." While Reed was growing up on a farm in nearby Bernice, the Knicks were floundering. New York managed only one winning season in the 12 campaigns between 1955-56 and 1966-67. From 1956 to 1966 the Knicks finished last nine times, and the club failed to make the playoffs in the seven seasons from 1959 to 1966. In 1963-64 the Knicks brought up the rear of the Eastern Division with a 22-58 record.

At Grambling, Reed amassed 2,280 career points, averaged 26.6 points and 21.3 rebounds during his senior year, and led the school to one NAIA title and three Southwestern Athletic Conference Championships. Selected by the Knicks in the second round of the 1964 NBA Draft, he signed with the franchise for about $10,000.

Reed made an immediate impact. In March 1965 he scored 46 points against Los Angeles, the second-highest single-game total ever by a Knicks rookie. For the season, he ranked seventh in the NBA in scoring (19.5 ppg) and fifth in rebounding (14.7 rpg). He also began his string of All-Star appearances, and he was the first Knicks player ever to be named NBA Rookie of the Year.

Reed proved to be a clutch playoff performer throughout his career. He gave an early indication of this in 1966-67 when he bettered his regular-season average of 20.9 points per game by scoring 27.5 points per contest in the postseason.

The team continued to struggle for a few years while adding good players through trades and the draft. Perhaps the most important personnel move was the decision to replace Dick McGuire as coach with William "Red" Holzman midway through the 1967-68 season. The Knicks had gone 15-22 under McGuire; Holzman steered them to a 28-17 finish. New York's 43-39 record gave the team its first winning season since 1958-59.

Reed continued to make annual appearances in the NBA All-Star Game. By this time he was playing power forward instead of center in order to make room for Walt Bellamy. Reed continued to work hard on the boards, averaging 11.6 rebounds in 1965-66 and 14.6 in 1966-67, both top-10 marks in the league. By the latter season he had adjusted to the nuances of his new position, averaging 20.9 points to rank eighth in the NBA.

New York won 54 games in 1968-69 after staggering to a 6-10 start. On Dec. 19, the Knicks traded Bellamy and Howard Komives to the Detroit Pistons in exchange for Dave DeBusschere. The trade was good for Reed in two ways. First, DeBusschere assumed some of the heavy labor inside, thereby taking some of the pressure off Reed. But second and more importantly, DeBusschere was a legitimate forward, which meant that Reed could move back to the pivot position, where he was more comfortable and effective. "Since that trade, I feel like a new person," Reed said at the time. "Center is my position."


The lefthanded Reed presented a problem for opposing defenders. He had the bulk and the touch to play inside, but he was also deadly with his soft jump shot from up to 15 feet away.



In a game played the day after the trade it was obvious which team had made out best in the exchange. The Knicks pounded the Pistons, 135-87; the 48-point margin of victory was the Knicks' largest ever. From December 17 through January 4 New York sailed off on a 10-game winning streak, then had another 11-game streak from January 25 through February 15.

The Knicks stressed defense. In 1968-69 New York held opponents to a league-low 105.2 points per game. With Reed clogging the middle and Walt Frazier pressuring the ball, the Knicks would be the best defensive club in the league for five of the next six seasons. Reed scored 21.1 ppg in 1968-69 and grabbed a franchise-record 1,191 rebounds, an average of 14.5 rpg.

In 1969-70, the Knicks jumped out to a 14-1 start and went on to win 60 regular-season games for the first time in franchise history. New York's victories included a then NBA-record 18-game winning streak. Reed, who took home MVP honors at the 1970 NBA All-Star Game, averaged 21.7 ppg during the season, his highest season mark ever. But his most remarkable statistical characteristic was his steadiness: from 1966-67 to 1970-71, Reed notched averages of 20.9, 20.8, 21.1, 21.7, and 20.9 points per game, respectively.

In the 1970 playoffs, New York defeated the Baltimore Bullets in seven games and bounced the Milwaukee Bucks in five to advance to a dramatic NBA Finals against a Los Angeles team led by Jerry West, Elgin Baylor and Chamberlain. Both Game 3 and Game 4 went into overtime, with each team winning one contest. Reed, whose magic in the legendary Game 7 led the Knicks to the title, was named the NBA Most Valuable Player, the All-Star Game MVP and the NBA Finals MVP. He and teammate Walt Frazier were selected to the All-NBA First Team, the first Knicks players to earn that honor since Harry Gallatin in 1953-54.

The lefthanded Reed presented a problem for opposing defenders. He had the bulk and the touch to play inside, but he was also deadly with his soft jump shot from up to 15 feet away. When he didn't possess the ball he was effective at setting picks to free up teammates, an essential element of the Knicks' perpetual-motion offense.

The Knicks' trademark was teamwork, and each player knew his role. Frazier was a reliable playmaker and defender; DeBusschere excelled as a rebounder; Bradley was a tireless and intelligent runner; and Dick Barnett distinguished himself as a jump shooter. Reed, Frazier, DeBusschere, and Bradley all ended up in the Hall of Fame.

The Knicks slipped to 52-30 in the 1970-71 season, still good enough for first place in the Atlantic Division. In mid-season, Reed tied Harry Gallatin's all-time club record by hauling in 33 rebounds against the Cincinnati Royals. Once again Reed started in the All-Star Game. For the season, he averaged 20.9 ppg and 13.7 rpg, but the Knicks were eliminated by Baltimore in the Eastern Conference Finals. In 1971-72 Reed was bothered by tendinitis in his left knee, limiting his mobility. He missed two weeks early in the season and returned, but shortly thereafter the injured knee prohibited him from playing and he totaled only 11 games for the year.

The 1972-73 Knicks finished the season with a 57-25 record and went on to win another NBA title. Reed was less of a contributor than he had been two seasons earlier. In 69 regular-season games he averaged only 11.0 points. In the playoffs the Knicks beat Baltimore and the Boston Celtics and once more faced the Lakers in the Finals. After losing the first game the Knicks captured four straight, claiming their second NBA Championship with a 102-93 victory in Game 5. Reed leading a well-balanced team was named NBA Finals MVP.

Reed played 19 games in 1973-74 before retiring. In his 10 years with New York he had earned a place in the Knicks' top 10 in nearly every category, and he was among the top three in minutes played (23,073), field goals made (4,859), rebounds (8,414) and total points (12,183). In 1976, Reed became the first Knicks player to have his uniform number retired.

The Knicks' dynasty broke up over the next few years. Reed took over as coach for the 1977-78 season and managed to coax a 43-39 record out of the squad. However, he was removed as coach only 14 games into the following season.

Reed served as an assistant coach at St. John's, then as head coach at Creighton University from 1981-82 to 1984-85. While at Creighton he was elected to the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in 1981. Also at Creighton, Reed coached 7-foot Benoit Benjamin, who later played on several NBA teams and was ultimately reunited with Reed in the New Jersey Nets organization in 1993.

In 1985, Reed joined the Atlanta Hawks as an assistant coach, then filled the same role with the Sacramento Kings. On Feb. 29, 1988, he replaced interim New Jersey Nets Coach Bob MacKinnon and he guided a hapless 1987-88 Nets team to a 7-21 finish, completing a disastrous 19-63 season. The following year Reed coached the Nets to an improved 26-56 record before moving to the front office.

In 1993, Reed became the Nets' general manager. By 1994 he had built the Nets into a perennial playoff contender. By drafting Derrick Coleman and Kenny Anderson, Reed brought in two franchise players who defined the Nets of the early 1990s. Reed also staged a minor coup when he lured Chuck Daly to coach the team for 1992-93 and 1993-94. After a four-year absence from the postseason, New Jersey had made three consecutive playoff appearances by 1994. In 1996, Reed moved to the position of Senior Vice President of Basketball Operations, with the same focus of building the Nets into a championship contender.

After working with the Nets for over 15 years, Reed crossed the river to join the Knicks front office during the offseason before the 2003-04 campaign. The move returned him to the roots of his professional playing days.

The words that describe Reed's playing career may sound like a quaint cliche, but they are appropriate: endurance, pride, dignity, obligation, hard work and courage. For a decade he applied those qualities day in and day out on the basketball court, but they were distilled into a couple of dramatic minutes at the start of Game 7 of the 1970 NBA Finals. Two decades after that legendary night Reed recalled, "There isn't a day in my life that people don't remind me of that game."


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He probably has you on ignore, along with me so hopefully someone that's not can tell him to hurry the hell up.
I'm on it too. Pretty weak if you asked me because all the crap people gave him he brought on himself as I didn't say anything about the mavs until he just repeatedly talked like he was the only guy who knows anything about the sport and dirk this and that etc. He deserved the crap he got as he talked the talked but wouldn't even show his face to walk the walk.
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By the by, my wife just said that Red Auerbach is the best coach ever. When told that Phil Jackson was selected before Red, her response was:

"Phil Jackson's a p***Y."

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Phibacka is on the clock at 12 AM Saturday. He has until noon Saturday to select.

We are currently up to date with picks. Yahoo!
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By the by, my wife just said that Red Auerbach is the best coach ever. When told that Phil Jackson was selected before Red, her response was:

"Phil Jackson's a p***Y."

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Did you reply with the correct answer that players make coaches?
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Well I'm going to take one of my fav players. Needed a shooter/playmaker off the bench. PG: Baron Davis
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No, I just laughed.
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Freak 6 is on the clock at 10 am CST. He has 12 hours to select.

Rhymesayers, Clockwork, and Man-goblin* are on deck.

If Slap comes back in, Man-goblin will take over Inkana's team.
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Oh, thank god. I didn't want to have to take Vince. He was looking like the best fit for my next pick, but I think I would've rather shot myself.
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Gee, I guess I'll have to draft yet another franchise player.

Over 9 seasons this 5 time All-Star has averaged 24 ppg and 7 rpg. This 6-6 SF can score from anywhere on the floor, and gives me yet another unstoppable scoring machine.





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It's time for an old timer. Championship experience, and a lot of it. Clutch play as well. A member of 10 Boston Celtic championship teams, he was dubbed "Mr. Clutch" by his teammates.

9:42 PM MST, Runnin' & Gunnin' selects Sam Jones, SG.



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And most importantly, makes huge shots in huge games. Doesn't get the notoriety a lot of the Celtic greats did, but he was right there with them. There is quote after quote from the greats, all singing praises of Jones' play.

An efficient mid-range shooter, a very smart player. And he made a lot of big shots in Finals games, which is when it matters most.

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Aw...I thought that Sam Jones would slide on by as well.

Good pick.
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Clockwork is on the clock at 11 PM CST. He has until AM CST on Sunday to select.

Man-Goblin, MP, and GSRelyea are on deck.
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Pierce! Damnit!
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Pierce is to good to pass up as a 6th man.

If we are judging teams by how good these players were at thier peak, I have 3 Most Valuable players, Kobe Bryant, and a HOF 7 foot center.
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Man-Goblin is on the clock at 5 PM CST. He has until 5 AM CST to select.

If Slap is on the board this pick, of course, is still his. If Slap makes the selection, MG takes over Inkana's team.

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I need a couple of opinions here. Since this is basically one long vacation week (the 4th being on Wednesday) should we go to the 24 hour clock until Sunday? Or maybe from now til Thursday? Or maybe Wednesday to Sunday?

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I need a couple of opinions here. Since this is basically one long vacation week (the 4th being on Wednesday) should we go to the 24 hour clock until Sunday? Or maybe from now til Thursday? Or maybe Wednesday to Sunday?

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I'm fine with that. I'm out of town on Thursday through Sunday, although I'm hoping my pick in the next round comes before I leave. If not I'll shoot ya a PM.
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I need a couple of opinions here. Since this is basically one long vacation week (the 4th being on Wednesday) should we go to the 24 hour clock until Sunday? Or maybe from now til Thursday? Or maybe Wednesday to Sunday?

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I'd say Tuesday -Sunday is a good bet to do 24 hour times. I also think people should attempt to PM you their picks.
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OK, Tuesday thru Sunday is 24 hour pick time.

Therefore:

Master pain is on the clock until 12 AM on Tuesday.

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I'm fine with that. I'm out of town on Thursday through Sunday, although I'm hoping my pick in the next round comes before I leave. If not I'll shoot ya a PM.
By the by, I'm glad I snagged Greer when I did. He'll be a great 6th man for my squad. Thanks for the props by letting me know you wanted him!
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I'll take the Skywalker David Thompson

If this guy never gets involved with drugs, we'd be talking about him in the same breath as MJ, Nique or Dr. J.



Thompson was elected to the HOF in 1996, was a two time all-nba 1st teamer, named ABA ROY and was a 5 time all star. Thompson shot over 50% from the field throughout his career...not bad for a shooting guard.

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