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Old 06-22-2007, 12:48 AM   #276
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No! Don't start calling each other names and such here! This is an All-Time Draft!
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Old 06-22-2007, 01:16 AM   #277
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Except you have no way of knowing that, so you make a typically ignorant and intellectually lazy comment.
We can speculate but I know a 6 1 G from the 50's would struggle against todays bigger, stronger and faster athletes.
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Old 06-22-2007, 01:22 AM   #278
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Par for the course, reminds me of the "Carmelo gets a lot of points, but he is a terrible shooter!"

This was even though Carmelo had one of the best FG% for a non-center/PF.
I didn't say he was a terrible shooter just that he takes a heck of a lot of shots to get his points along with Iverson. There are 12 G's or SF's ahead of Carmelo on the FG % and Carmelo did shoot lights out down the stretch of the season after I made the comment to raise his % up.
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With my 5th pick, I will take: Scottie Pippen- I know many of you don't think he belongs on the 50th greatest list, but you can't argue with numbers/rings. Not to mention all of the defensive accolades. I don't know about the rest of you, but I would love to see Pippen matchup v. Lebron when both are in there primes, not saying Pippen is a better player by any means just saying he could guard him a lot better than someone like Bruce Bowen.
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One of the most versatile and talented players, 6-7 Scottie Pippen orchestrated an offense like a point guard, rebounded like a power forward, scored like a shooting guard, and defended on the perimeter like few others. The seven-time All-Star was a vital component of the Chicago Bullsí six NBA Championships in the 1990s. He played 17 seasons missing the postseason only in his final campaign, which allowed him to rack up the second most playoff game appearances (208) behind only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. But above and beyond, his all-around game was the prototype for the next generation of small forwards.

G FG% 3PFG% FT% Rebs RPG Asts APG Stls Blks Pts PPG
1,178 .473 .326 .704 7,494 6.4 6,135 5.2 2,307 947 18,940 16.1

Full Name: Scottie Pippen
Born: 9/25/65 in Hamburg, Ark.
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Drafted by: Seattle SuperSonics, 1987 (fifth overall)
Transactions: Draft rights traded to Chicago 6/22/87, Traded to Houston 1/22/99, Traded to Portland 10/2/99, Signed as a free agent by Chicago 7/20/03
Height: 6-7; Weight: 228
Honors: Six-time NBA champion (1991-93, 1996-98); Three-time All-NBA First Team (1994-96); All-NBA Second Team (1992, 1997); Eight-time All-Defensive First Team (1992-99); 1994 NBA All-Star MVP; Seven-time All-Star (1990, '92-97); One of 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996); Two-time Olympic gold medalist (1992, '96).

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Old 06-22-2007, 08:31 AM   #280
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GS, it's not a bad pick at all. I personally wouldn't have him in the starting 5, but from a team stand point, I had him targeted as my first guy off the bench.

Love the 8-time 1st team defenses, and obviously a great second fiddle to another superstar. I was hoping he'd be there next round. I don't think he's top 50, you're right... But he's a quality selection.
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Rhyme I was between Pippen & C. Mullen for my SF, and thought that I already have the scoring with the pistol & wilt, so I went for the all round player. This draft will get very interesting when we start getting deeper in to the bench.....
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Rhyme I was between Pippen & C. Mullen for my SF, and thought that I already have the scoring with the pistol & wilt, so I went for the all round player. This draft will get very interesting when we start getting deeper in to the bench.....
Indeed! Like I said, I would have scooped him up next round without a second thought.

And yeah, everybody is going to have a great starting 5. There will be differences, but almost every starter is/will be in the HOF and shatter records. The wins and losses would come from the quality picks in round 6 and later. It's going to get very interesting.
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With my 5th pick, I select the Horse Dan Issel



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1970-71 22 KEN ABA 83 39.4 11.3 23.3 0.0 0.2 7.3 9.0 5.1 8.1 13.2 2.0 2.7 3.9 29.9
1971-72 23 KEN ABA 83 43.0 11.7 24.1 0.0 0.1 7.1 9.1 4.3 7.0 11.2 2.3 2.9 2.9 30.6
1972-73 24 KEN ABA 84 42.0 10.7 20.9 0.0 0.2 5.8 7.6 3.9 7.1 11.0 2.6 2.6 3.0 27.3
1973-74 25 KEN ABA 83 40.3 10.0 20.8 0.0 0.2 5.5 7.0 4.2 6.0 10.2 1.7 0.8 0.4 2.1 2.4 25.5
1974-75 26 KEN ABA 83 34.5 7.4 15.7 0.0 0.1 2.9 3.9 3.1 5.4 8.6 2.3 0.9 0.6 1.9 2.4 17.7
1975-76 27 DNA ABA 84 34.0 9.0 17.5 0.0 0.0 5.1 6.2 3.6 7.4 11.0 2.4 1.2 0.7 2.4 3.2 23.0
1976-77 28 DEN NBA 79 31.7 8.4 16.2 5.6 7.1 2.7 6.1 8.8 2.2 1.2 0.4 3.1 22.3
1977-78 29 DEN NBA 82 34.8 8.0 15.7 5.2 6.7 3.1 7.0 10.1 3.7 1.2 0.5 3.2 3.4 21.3
1978-79 30 DEN NBA 81 33.9 6.6 12.7 3.9 5.2 3.0 6.1 9.1 3.1 0.8 0.6 2.1 2.9 17.0
1979-80 31 DEN NBA 82 35.8 8.7 17.3 0.0 0.1 6.3 8.1 2.9 5.9 8.8 2.4 1.1 0.7 2.0 2.3 23.8
1980-81 32 DEN NBA 80 33.0 7.7 15.3 0.0 0.2 6.5 8.6 2.9 5.6 8.5 2.0 1.0 0.7 1.6 3.1 21.9
1981-82 33 DEN NBA 81 30.5 8.0 15.3 0.0 0.1 6.7 8.1 2.1 5.4 7.5 2.2 0.8 0.7 2.1 3.0 22.9
1982-83 34 DEN NBA 80 30.4 8.3 16.2 0.1 0.2 5.0 6.0 1.9 5.6 7.5 2.8 1.0 0.5 2.2 2.8 21.6
1983-84 35 DEN NBA 76 27.3 7.5 15.2 0.1 0.3 4.8 5.6 1.5 5.3 6.8 2.3 0.8 0.6 1.6 2.4 19.8
1984-85 36 DEN NBA 77 21.9 4.7 10.3 0.0 0.1 3.3 4.1 1.0 3.3 4.3 1.8 0.8 0.4 1.2 2.2 12.8
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6 Seasons ABA 500 38.9 10.0 20.4 0.0 0.1 5.6 7.1 4.0 6.8 10.9 2.2 1.0 0.5 2.4 3.0 25.6
9 Seasons NBA 718 31.1 7.6 14.9 0.0 0.2 5.3 6.6 2.3 5.6 7.9 2.5 1.0 0.6 2.0 2.8 20.4
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15 Seasons 1218 34.3 8.6 17.2 0.0 0.1 5.4 6.8 3.0 6.1 9.1 2.4 1.0 0.5 2.2 2.9 22.6
+------------------+----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+

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We can speculate but I know a 6 1 G from the 50's would struggle against todays bigger, stronger and faster athletes.
Well, the way I'm looking at it, I am supposing that all of these players are available to draft, right now, in 2007. They're all 21 years old and they all have had the advantages athletes have when growing up in the late 20th century. (Except for steroids. lol)

I think that evens the playing field a bit and lets us consider players from previous era more.

And to your 6'1 argument, Mugsy and Spudd were able to keep up, right?
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My center will be the great Bob Lanier.

I knew a quality big man would drop to me if I waited. Bob Lanier was a dominating presence in the NBA for 14 seasons. 6'11", 265 pounds, his size 22 sneakers preceded him into the NBA Hall of Fame as the largest seen in the League up to that point.



The first overall pick in the 1970 Draft, Lanier employed a physical playing style and a deadly left handed hook shot to average 20.1 points and 10.1 boards on his way to eight All Star appearances.

Lanier played his entire career in pain for an inept organization. Despite tearing a knee ligament in the NCAA tournament, the Pistons happily took him with the first pick in the draft, even signing him to his rookie contract while he recuperated from knee surgery in a hospital bed. Feeling pressured to play right away, the Pistons rushed Lanier onto the court. He responded by leading them to their first winning season in 13 years, while playing in all 82 games. His willingness to play hurt was well received in the blue collar town, so was the 14 game improvement over the previous season, and Lanier was loved in Detroit.

Unfortunately, the Pistons were almost incredibly poorly run. During Lanier's 10 seasons in Detroit he played under eight different coaches. "There were always different ideologies," Lanier said, "different philosophies and styles, different players. It was a constant adjustment."

By the time Lanier was traded to a solid Milwaukee team in 1980, chronic knee pain had robbed him of most of his mobility. Perhaps a younger Lanier could have pushed the Bucks of Marques Johnson and Sidney Moncrief past Philly and Boston, but his time as a premier player was just about over.

Although a championship was denied him as a player, Lanier always carried himself like a winner. Few athletes in league history have worked as hard as Lanier has for charitable endeavors. He was almost universally respected. During his final years, Lanier was voted president of the NBA Players Association by his peers.

In 1989, Lanier became involved in the launching of the NBA's Stay In School program, a nationwide campaign in which the NBA and its players urge middle school students to complete their high school education. Lanier became the program's national chairman, visiting hundreds of schools across the country and delivering his famous "PRIDE" message.

Lanier's impact felt on and off the court



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Season  Ag Tm  Lg     G   MP   FG  FGA  3P  3PA   FT  FTA  ORB  DRB  TRB  AST STL BLK  TO  PF  PTS
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 1970-71 22 DET NBA   82 24.6  6.1 13.5           3.3  4.6            8.1  1.8             3.3 15.6
 1971-72 23 DET NBA   80 38.7 10.4 21.1           4.9  6.3           14.2  3.1             3.7 25.7
 1972-73 24 DET NBA   81 38.9 10.0 20.4           3.8  4.9           14.9  3.2             3.4 23.8
 1973-74 25 DET NBA   81 37.6  9.2 18.3           4.0  5.0  3.3  9.9 13.3  4.2 1.4 3.0     3.4 22.5
 1974-75 26 DET NBA   76 39.3  9.6 18.9           4.8  5.9  3.0  9.1 12.0  4.6 1.0 2.3     3.1 24.0
 1975-76 27 DET NBA   64 36.9  8.5 15.9           4.4  5.8  3.4  8.3 11.7  3.4 1.2 1.3     3.2 21.3
 1976-77 28 DET NBA   64 38.2 10.6 19.8           4.1  5.0  3.1  8.5 11.6  3.3 1.1 2.0     2.7 25.3
 1977-78 29 DET NBA   63 36.7  9.9 18.4           4.7  6.1  3.1  8.2 11.3  3.4 1.3 1.5 3.6 2.9 24.5
 1978-79 30 DET NBA   53 34.6  9.2 17.9           5.2  6.9  3.1  6.2  9.3  2.6 0.9 1.4 3.3 3.4 23.6
 1979-80 31 DET NBA   37 37.6  8.6 15.8 0.0  0.1  4.4  5.7  2.9  7.2 10.1  3.3 1.0 1.6 3.1 3.5 21.7
            MIL NBA   26 28.4  5.7 10.9 0.0  0.0  4.3  5.5  1.7  5.2  6.9  2.4 1.4 1.1 1.9 2.7 15.7
            TOT NBA   63 33.8  7.4 13.8 0.0  0.1  4.4  5.6  2.4  6.3  8.8  2.9 1.2 1.4 2.6 3.2 19.2
 1980-81 32 MIL NBA   67 26.2  5.6 10.7 0.0  0.0  3.1  4.1  1.9  4.3  6.2  2.7 1.1 1.2 2.1 2.7 14.3
 1981-82 33 MIL NBA   74 26.8  5.5  9.9 0.0  0.0  2.5  3.3  1.2  4.0  5.2  3.0 1.0 0.8 2.2 2.9 13.5
 1982-83 34 MIL NBA   39 25.1  4.2  8.5 0.0  0.0  2.3  3.4  1.5  3.6  5.1  2.7 0.9 0.6 2.1 3.2 10.7
 1983-84 35 MIL NBA   72 27.9  5.4  9.5 0.0  0.0  2.7  3.8  2.0  4.4  6.3  2.6 0.8 0.7 2.3 3.2 13.6
+------------------+----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+
 14 Seasons          959 33.5  8.1 15.7 0.0  0.0  3.9  5.1  2.6  6.8 10.1  3.1 1.1 1.5 2.6 3.2 20.1
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All of these last picks have been pretty solid. Pippen was a good choice(I probably should have taken him), and Lanier was a steal.

Anyone wanna make a bet on when/if Rodman goes?
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Not if, but when is right on. He'll go. Too good of a defender and too good of a rebounder not to.

Plus, he was the kind of basket-case you can live with. Yeah, crazy, but never affected his play on the court, not that I can remember at least. No lengthy Artest-like suspensions or drama, if I recall correctly.
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Hate to do it to you Rhyme, but I've got to fill out my starting lineup and this guy is too good to pass up to fill out my starting lineup.

I'll select Kevin Johnson, G, Cavs/Suns.



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 1987-88 21 CLE NBA   52 20.1  2.8  6.0 0.0  0.2  1.8  2.2  0.2  1.2  1.4  3.7 1.2 0.3 1.6 1.8  7.3
            PHO NBA   28 31.2  4.7 10.2 0.1  0.5  3.0  3.5  0.9  3.3  4.3  8.7 1.5 0.3 2.3 2.1 12.6
            TOT NBA   80 24.0  3.4  7.5 0.1  0.3  2.2  2.6  0.5  1.9  2.4  5.5 1.3 0.3 1.8 1.9  9.2
 1988-89 22 PHO NBA   81 39.2  7.0 13.9 0.0  0.3  6.3  7.1  0.6  3.6  4.2 12.2 1.7 0.3 4.0 2.8 20.4
 1989-90 23 PHO NBA   74 37.6  7.8 15.7 0.1  0.6  6.8  8.1  0.6  3.1  3.6 11.4 1.3 0.2 3.6 1.9 22.5
 1990-91 24 PHO NBA   77 36.0  7.7 14.9 0.1  0.6  6.7  8.0  0.7  2.8  3.5 10.1 2.1 0.1 3.5 2.3 22.2
 1991-92 25 PHO NBA   78 37.2  6.9 14.4 0.1  0.6  5.7  7.1  0.8  3.0  3.7 10.7 1.5 0.3 3.5 2.3 19.7
 1992-93 26 PHO NBA   49 33.5  5.8 11.5 0.0  0.2  4.6  5.6  0.6  1.5  2.1  7.8 1.7 0.4 3.1 2.0 16.1
 1993-94 27 PHO NBA   67 36.6  7.1 14.6 0.1  0.4  5.7  6.9  0.8  1.7  2.5  9.5 1.9 0.1 3.5 1.9 20.0
 1994-95 28 PHO NBA   47 28.8  5.2 11.1 0.1  0.6  5.0  6.1  0.7  1.8  2.4  7.7 1.0 0.4 2.2 1.9 15.5
 1995-96 29 PHO NBA   56 35.8  6.1 12.0 0.4  1.0  6.1  7.1  0.8  3.2  3.9  9.2 1.5 0.2 3.0 2.6 18.7
 1996-97 30 PHO NBA   70 38.0  6.3 12.7 1.3  2.9  6.3  7.4  0.8  2.8  3.6  9.3 1.5 0.2 3.1 2.0 20.1
 1997-98 31 PHO NBA   50 25.8  3.1  6.9 0.1  0.5  3.2  3.7  0.7  2.6  3.3  4.9 0.5 0.2 2.0 1.1  9.5
 1999-00 33 PHO NBA    6 18.8  2.7  4.7 0.2  0.2  1.2  1.2  0.0  2.7  2.7  4.0 0.3 0.0 1.2 1.0  6.7
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 12 Seasons          735 34.1  6.1 12.5 0.2  0.7  5.4  6.4  0.7  2.6  3.3  9.1 1.5 0.2 3.1 2.1 17.9
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No prob CO, I wasn't going to take him this early.

Don't have a lot of time, but to finish out my starting 5, Runnin' & Gunnin' picks a PF who won both ROY and MVP in the same season:

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C - Robert Parish - Hall of Famer - NBA top 50 all time - NBA Champ
PF - Bob McAdoo - Hall of Famer - NBA MVP - 3 straight scoring Champ
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And to your 6'1 argument, Mugsy and Spudd were able to keep up, right?
Didn't say he couldn't play he just wouldn't be as good as he was. Mugsy and Spudd were pretty much average role players.
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To finish up my starting lineup I go with another young gun that is too hard to pass up. He is an absolute playmaker teaming him with Dwade is pretty much aweseom. Phibacke31 chooses: SF: Tracy McGrady: TMAC
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Old 06-23-2007, 01:16 PM   #297
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Starting lineup: PG: Dave Bing
SG: DWADE
SF: TMAC
PF: James WORTHY
C: Tim Duncan
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Old 06-23-2007, 03:16 PM   #298
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Starting lineup: PG: Dave Bing
SG: DWADE
SF: TMAC
PF: James WORTHY
C: Tim Duncan
Lots of slashers there. Hard to call Big Game James a PF.
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Old 06-23-2007, 04:28 PM   #299
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Well, I thought about waiting for this dude, but I just dont think that he will be overlooked for another round. I will augment the squad with the greatest coach in the history of the NBA, and the model for every coach since. His teams are legendary. It only makes sense that I draft the all-time championship leader to pilot my all-time champions Russel, Cousy, and co.

The coach of the NBA's greatest dynasty, and one of the great motivational coaches of any sport in American history:

RED AUERBACH





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Coach Auerbach was no great strategist; he believed in fast-break basketball; he knew that he needed at least one great rebounder and an outstanding point guard; and he knew the value of defense. But the Celtics ran very few offensive "plays" and Auerbach did not make strategic breakthroughs.

His forte was in recognizing talent, assembling a group of very fine basketball players, molding them into a unit and then motivating them. Winning was everything to Red Auerbach and he made his players see that everything he did was designed to win. He could be callously cruel at times, or extremely generous. But his obsession was with winning; all the tricks, all the goading and screaming was to support this goal.

In addition to an unparalleled coaching career of his own, Auerbach has the distinction of seeing three players whom he coached to championships, Bill Russell, Tommy Heinsohn and K.C. Jones each in their own time, coach the Celtics to championships. Don Nelson, who also played for Auerbach's championship team in the 1965-1966 season (Auerbach's last season), has also had a successful career as an NBA coach.

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Old 06-23-2007, 04:35 PM   #300
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PF - Garnett
C - Bill Russell
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