Tiny terrier saved kids from pit bulls

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by chadta

for you pit bull lovers, would you leave your 2 or 3 little kids with the dog unsupervised ?

yes. without a doubt.

i have pitbulls in part BECAUSE they are so good with children.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by azbroncfan

I think ROTs are next as I think they have past Pits for most human deaths recently.

probably because they are more aggressive by nature (though still a very good dog by all accounts when trained properly) and moreso because alot of turds that wouldve got a pit but couldnt because of a law in their area now get a rot.

too bad you cant ban the owners. its not the breed.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

probably because they are more aggressive by nature (though still a very good dog by all accounts when trained properly) and moreso because alot of turds that wouldve got a pit but couldnt because of a law in their area now get a rot.

too bad you cant ban the owners. its not the breed.

Agree 100% and have a perfect case that supports it.

When I was growing up in the Green Mountain area - there was a duplex house where each owner had a pitt bull.

One Pitt was a marble named Terminator. The other was a solid colored named Taz.

Taz was not trained other than being housebroken. He was rough housed (play) by his owner - so the dog felt that being rough was a good time.

Terminator however attended K9 type training. This dog was one of the most amazing creatures I ever came across. Very well trained, very disciplined and very respected by his owner. Had 'on' and 'off' commands that were exceptionally reliable. I would certainly have trusted Terminator around very young children - no problem.

Taz? No way in hell. He was an undisciplined brute raised by brutes.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Steve Sewell

I love the "this is America" argument that seemingly would prohibit the government from passing any laws that would infringe on the rights of citizens regardless of whether that right resulted in a public safety hazard.

"This is America"...I should be able to have a meth lab in my back yard as long as I'm responsible.
"This is America"...I should be able to have a loaded AK-47 on me when I drink beer on my front porch as long as I'm responsible.
"This is America"...I should be able to have nuclear waste barrels buried in my backyard.

The list could go on, but haven't the statistics proven that pit bulls are BY FAR the most hazardous dog when it comes to public safety? I've heard tons of reports about pit bull maulings where it was their first ever attack and it lived in a loving home. You can't ignore statistics like the one's slug posted by saying, "oh that's just the ones with the bad owners". Which is probably the reason why the majority of the Libertarian crowd failed to appropriately respond to them.

Seriously, there is no point in owning a pit bull. There are literally thousands of other breeds out there to choose from, but you choose...the most dangerous breed available by a wide margin. Think about how stupid that sounds...

Let me explain myself further. My point is that Pit Bulls are not the most dangerous, just the most abundant of the so called dangerous breeds. The breeds I pointed out can be much more dangerous. If you make pits illegal then the type of people that want aggressive dogs will simply switch to one of the other ones. Breeders to make money will breed those dogs to fill the demand. Then in 10 years we will be talking about banning Presa or Tosa's etc. Legislation banning a specific breed will not work. I just can't support legislation that creates more govt intrusion and really won't make people any safer.

A better thing is to punish people who use a dog in an unlawful manner. IE dog fighting, using your dog to intimidate others, using your dog to inflict injury, not caring for your dog etc etc etc. This would of course include the unfortunate instances where kids or people get mauled or killed by a dog.

I have owned quite a few different breeds of dog including some hard to manage breeds like Elkhound, Tosa Inu, Jindo. You simply must make sure your dog can't get out of the backyard when you have an aggressive breed. Owners are careless more then dogs are vicious.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Steve Sewell

I love the "this is America" argument that seemingly would prohibit the government from passing any laws that would infringe on the rights of citizens regardless of whether that right resulted in a public safety hazard.

"This is America"...I should be able to have a meth lab in my back yard as long as I'm responsible.
"This is America"...I should be able to have a loaded AK-47 on me when I drink beer on my front porch as long as I'm responsible.
"This is America"...I should be able to have nuclear waste barrels buried in my backyard.

The list could go on, but haven't the statistics proven that pit bulls are BY FAR the most hazardous dog when it comes to public safety? I've heard tons of reports about pit bull maulings where it was their first ever attack and it lived in a loving home. You can't ignore statistics like the one's slug posted by saying, "oh that's just the ones with the bad owners". Which is probably the reason why the majority of the Libertarian crowd failed to appropriately respond to them.

Seriously, there is no point in owning a pit bull. There are literally thousands of other breeds out there to choose from, but you choose...the most dangerous breed available by a wide margin. Think about how stupid that sounds...

Sorry but the tone of my post was nothing like you describe. Also your comparisons are far fetched and juvenile. I suggest you read my posts again and see if you get the point this time.

[Don Flamenco]

I advise everyone in this thread to look at these statistics

http://www.atts.org/stats1.html

[RkyMtnThunder]

Originally Posted by eeEErRaY!

I advise everyone in this thread to look at these statistics

http://www.atts.org/stats1.html

Thats pretty interesting. If I am reading that list right - Pitt Bulls have better temperment than Beagles

[Northman]

The Jack Russell is a Epic Warrior! RIP

[Northman]

I used to have a half Pit half Shepard mix years ago. She was the sweetest dog so like Jake said it isnt the breed but the morons who raise them to be aggressive.

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by Rigs11

Labs are the #1 registered dog in the US and have been for about 8 years now, of course they are gonna be the #1 offender as there are more of them.How many of those attacks caused serious injury or death though?

Brody took out a family of five last week, but the kids were all young and the man was very out of shape. The woman fought like Sigourney Weaver, but eventually succumbed to Brody's insatiable savagery.

[Northman]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

Brody took out a family of five last week, but the kids were all young and the man was very out of shape. The woman fought like Sigourney Weaver, but eventually succumbed to Brody's insatiable savagery.

What did he do? Lick her to death?

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by Anubis

What did he do? Lick her to death?

He has mastered the ancient canine discipline of Lick Fu. His signature move is unloading a huge slobber deposit behind your ear while you're dozing on the couch.

[Northman]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

He has mastered the ancient canine discipline of Lick Fu. His signature move is unloading a huge slobber deposit behind your ear while you're dozing on the couch.

Very impressive, but i doubt it can match up to my cat's 10 knives of Kneading or her Sand Paper Tongue of Venom.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

you think this little damn terrier is gonna keep two "marauding" pits away from a luscious 4 year old prey? uh huh. okay.

Yea, there's something wrong with this story. Two real pit bulls bent on attacking someone wouldn't even be slowed by a little terrier. I'm not saying the PBs weren't on the attack... I'm saying I don't believe that if they WERE, some little yip dog could do anything about it.

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

further, if we STOP fvkkkers like vick from breeding these dogs, then we'll only be left with loving owners, and of course EVERY neutral source agrees that the breed is NOT by nature violent, so all these stories (many arent stories, some are) stop.

Agree 100% on Vick and the like. The garbage who abuse, neglect and fight these dogs are always the initial source of the problem.

Though, I'm not in total agreement that they're not occasionally violent by nature. I believe they can be, which is why their owners need to be a select group of people. (And they're not... as any a-hole can go buy one.)

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

again, why didnt we hear about pits in the 60's, 70's, 80's, and much of the 90's?
because then it was dobermans or rottys that took the bad rap.

Pit Bull breeding went through the roof in the mid 90s when they became the tough guy dog of choice. That's when they started showing up in rap videos and jagovs who probably never even thought to own a dog decided they should have one to perpetuate their badass image.

Hence, more a-holes own more Pit Bulls.... and with it comes more problems, more attacks, more negative publicity.

Doesn't mean it's the breed's fault.... but you also can't expect the public to pretend it doesn't happen. Last I checked, they still lead the "league" in attacks and kills.

As a rule, I do really like PBs. My dog's two best playmates were PBs before we moved. I've always known them to be loving, friendly dogs.
But, you also have to look beyond your opinion of the breed and understand public opinion.

There's a PB that lives about 5 doors down from me. It looks aggressive and the owner doesn't seem to care. We live in a nice neighborhood with lots of kids and families walking the streets at all times. Last week, we walked by and dumbass had his door open, and his dog started barking at Bella (my dog) and me and tried to get out to come after us. Dumbass was luckily there to stop him. (Though didn't discipline at all.)

What happens when he's not looking next time? What happens when it's a little girl and her small dog walking? I guarantee you this dog wanted trouble.

Now, you can't blame the public for having concerns in situations like this.

Again, Jake... not the breed's fault, but that sort of becomes irrelevant at a certain stage. People just don't care anymore. They just want it to stop, and if people aren't going to be responsible, you can't blame cities for enacting legislation.

[kappys]

Originally Posted by Popps

Now, you can't blame the public for having concerns in situations like this.

Again, Jake... not the breed's fault, but that sort of becomes irrelevant at a certain stage. People just don't care anymore. They just want it to stop, and if people aren't going to be responsible, you can't blame cities for enacting legislation.

The most cogent post I've seen so far. People aren't being responsible and this **** has gone on too long. People are frustrated and you can bet I'm more than willing to vote for a ban on the breed if it means my neice and nephew are safer.

[chaz]

hey mock...this is why dogs are better than cats....no cat would stick its neck on the line for someone else.

[Clockwork Orange]

He may look peaceful, but try and take that chew bone from him and you call down the thunder.

[fontaine]

I'm not big into these types of dogs but can anyone tell me why you would want to continiously breed certain types of dogs to produce Tosa Inus, Presa Canarios?

I think its pretty disgusting how certain breeds have come about specifically because of dog fighting.

[watermock]

Originally Posted by chaz

hey mock...this is why dogs are better than cats....no cat would stick its neck on the line for someone else.

No cat would attack children either except to play. Your argument has no legs.

It was against other dogs attacking children. BTW, Beezer was attacked during a friendly visit to Yellow Cat RIP, found flattened...This rottie had been put in custody 14 times and eventually the cops simply took him away from the idiot for good. Beezer had a nasty wound.

If they let big cats be owned they would show any dog including a mastif who the boss is.

I'm tired of the apologists for vicious dogs that are allowed to get free. The fact is, the little dog gave his life against..buy a vowel, Pit Bulls.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by watermock

No cat would attack children either except to play. Your argument has no legs.

Oh yeah?

Look at this cat savagely mauling this harmless, non threatening baby!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by kamakazi_kal

they acctually dont make very good guard dogs.

Seems like a pretty good deterrent to me....


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[watermock]

Point taken but it was attack and retreat. George Washington.

Kitty cats hit and run...I've been attacked a thousand times but never lost a drop of blood. Scratches yes. Beezer is a rather wild one.

[kamakazi_kal]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

yes. without a doubt.

i have pitbulls in part BECAUSE they are so good with children.

the kids on my street come over and get my dog all the time, we put the harness on him and he pulls the kids on their rollerblades up and down the street.

the boxer up the street is far more aggressive

[kamakazi_kal]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Seems like a pretty good deterrent to me....


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OMG............ this is all pointless, ban pits......rappers will start stupidly breeding 120lb walking muscles with teeth and you can make a sign about that breed untill it gets banned too.

please continue you google image searches.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by kamakazi_kal

OMG............ this is all pointless, ban pits......rappers will start stupidly breeding 120lb walking muscles with teeth and you can make a sign about that breed untill it gets banned too
please continue you google image searches.

Did you lose your place? You said they don't make good guard dogs. I'm pointing out that they aren't quite as bad as you try and make them out to be.