"Brave" IDF uses Palestinian girl as human shield

[Dudeskey]

Not cool

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Source ::: REUTERS

jerusalem • Israeli soldiers used an 11-year-old Palestinian girl as a “human shield” during an operation against militants in the West Bank town of Nablus last week, an Israeli human rights group said yesterday.

The Israeli army said it was checking the information from the B’Tselem group, which monitors Israeli actions in the occupied territory. Israeli law bans the military from using human shields.

B’Tselem said the girl, Jihan Daadush, told its interviewers that Israeli soldiers had entered her family home and questioned her and her relatives about the whereabouts of gunmen who had fired at them during the raid.

The soldiers, she said, threatened to arrest her unless she led them to a nearby house.

“(A soldier) ordered me to go towards the house,” B’Tselem quoted the girl as saying. “Three soldiers walked behind me. When we reached the house, there were a lot of soldiers. The soldiers ordered me to go inside the house and I went inside.”

B’Tselem said Jihan told them the soldiers shone flashlights and asked about the rooms of the house. There was no mention in the report of whether troops found militants inside. The girl said two soldiers then returned her home.

“(One of the soldiers) told me, ‘Thank you, but don’t tell anyone,’” the girl said, according to B’Tselem. “I was afraid they would kill me or put me in jail. I am still afraid the soldiers will invade the city again and take me away.”

B’tselem also said the army had used a 15-year-old Palestinian boy and a Palestinian man for a similar purpose during the five-day raid of Nablus, a militant stronghold.

The Israeli army ended the operation on March 1. During the incursion, troops shot dead a Palestinian civilian who had observed the raid from his rooftop. Soldiers also detained 11 suspected militants

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't think it's cool to question what a soldier has to do to complete his mission.

[bendog]

Actually, Wags, I think the closest we come today to nazis is the Likudnicks and Putin.

morally and economically.

[NYBronco]

So what's the problem here. Perhaps the Israeli's need to start sending missle's indiscriminately into their enemies cities... without warning.

[Dudeskey]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I don't think it's cool to question what a soldier has to do to complete his mission.

Are you suggesting the life of a palestinian child is worth less than an Israeli's? I sincerely hope not

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Urinal_Cake

Are you suggesting the life of a palestinian child is worth less than an Israeli's? I sincerely hope not

If he was going to the house to kill an innocent group of buddists...I would agree you. However...that's not the case.

[yavoon]

destroy the zionist entity!

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by NYBronco

So what's the problem here. Perhaps the Israeli's need to start sending missle's indiscriminately into their enemies cities... without warning.

They don't already?

[missingnumber7]

Originally Posted by Urinal_Cake

Are you suggesting the life of a palestinian child is worth less than an Israeli's? I sincerely hope not

These are the same 11 year old girls that they use as suicide bombers so why not. I have two questions for you. Are you god? And since I know that answer is no...who are you to judge who's life is worth more or less than any other? And my other question is have you ever been a soldier in a place where weapons have been fired in anger and people lie and mislead to get you to go places where you will be shot, or lead into an ambush? If no than you have proved this thread to be as worth less as your life and you can be my human shield when i got back to iraq.

[Dudeskey]

Originally Posted by missingnumber7

These are the same 11 year old girls that they use as suicide bombers so why not.

Oh the old "they all look the same to me" line? please... was she strapped w/ explosives? uhh, no.

Originally Posted by missingnumber7

I have two questions for you. Are you god? And since I know that answer is no...who are you to judge who's life is worth more or less than any other?

Are you god? Last time I checked we are all humans, so I think its fair to question why non-Israeli & non-American lives are seen as less valuable...

Originally Posted by missingnumber7

And my other question is have you ever been a soldier in a place where weapons have been fired in anger and people lie and mislead to get you to go places where you will be shot, or lead into an ambush?

No and if misleading is the problem, why trust a total stranger as a guide?

Originally Posted by missingnumber7

If no than you have proved this thread to be as worth less as your life and you can be my human shield when i got back to iraq.

Really... Glad to see a right winger show how "precious" life really is to them...

[TailgateNut]

Originally Posted by missingnumber7

These are the same 11 year old girls that they use as suicide bombers so why not. I have two questions for you. Are you god? And since I know that answer is no...who are you to judge who's life is worth more or less than any other? And my other question is have you ever been a soldier in a place where weapons have been fired in anger and people lie and mislead to get you to go places where you will be shot, or lead into an ambush? If no than you have proved this thread to be as worth less as your life and you can be my human shield when i got back to iraq.

A Soldier doesn't use a child as a shield, a coward does! So if you condone this type of behavior, I can only assume you are also a coward.

[colosilverado]

Ehh, she'll be strapped with explosives soon enough. No need to worry. Her life is still valued more by those Israeli soldiers than her parents. They'd have no problem sending her into the nearest settlement with a bomb-vest. That is the way over there. Right or wrong. Life isn't valued in many regions over there. It just isn't. ....or she'll be raising her brood of anti-zionists soon enough.
No, I don't dig the killing of children either. It is a horrible prospect and I do feel sorry for those kids who are losing their parents, siblings, friends. It is just the way it is over there. Unfortunately, the reality is that the next time they see that girl, she could be throwing rocks at them, or worse, and they'd have to kill or rough her up. That is how twisted things get over there.

[Bronx33]

When the enemy changes it's tactics daily because it has no balls which includes using kids as bombs what is the IDF to do? to paslistinians children are all part of the jihad and will be used without a 2nd guess to kill. I admit using their own kids against them is wrong but they wouldn't blink an eye using them against the IDF. As an IDF soldier staying alive is probably high on the list and when you enemy has no heart or sense of fair play in war the rules change. (yep it sucks) but until you are in IDF boots for a few missions you really have no room to complain about what they have to do to (survive).

[N.O.Bronco]

Originally Posted by missingnumber7

These are the same 11 year old girls that they use as suicide bombers so why not. I have two questions for you. Are you god? And since I know that answer is no...who are you to judge who's life is worth more or less than any other? And my other question is have you ever been a soldier in a place where weapons have been fired in anger and people lie and mislead to get you to go places where you will be shot, or lead into an ambush? If no than you have proved this thread to be as worth less as your life and you can be my human shield when i got back to iraq.

How is this thread worthless with out first hand experience, we are all individuals who hold different belifs and ways of doing things. this raises a philosophical question and a moral one not a "have you been theyre'" one. By that logic i could argue you, How can you judge Nazi officers in concentration camps and their atrocities since you havent experieinced the fist of a tyrant bearing down on you.


My question to you is where do you find your ideals from? your beliefs on human life? One i like to go with is from this little thing that is kinda important around here. It states "All men are created equal." Its from this little piece of paper that allowed you to say the crap you just said.

[N.O.Bronco]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

When the enemy changes it's tactics daily because it has no balls which includes using kids as bombs what is the IDF to do? to paslistinians children are all part of the jihad and will be used without a 2nd guess to kill. I admit using their own kids against them is wrong but they wouldn't blink an eye using them against the IDF. As an IDF soldier staying alive is probably high on the list and when you enemy has no heart or sense of fair play in war the rules change. (yep it sucks) but until you are in IDF boots for a few missions you really have no room to complain about what they have to do to (survive).

Heres a thought give them back palestine. would solve a ****load of problems wouldnt it? Imagine if palestine is theirs and theirs alone, how much violence do you think would be cut down immediatlly? Lets also not forget that the civillian casualty rate inflicted by Israel to palestine is around 10:1

these palestenine people in they're mind have rationalized theyre suicide bombings(dont forget Ireland has done it before too, yet many sympathize with they're plight). They are being occupied and they're religion and everything in their history, much like Vietnam and Ireland hates occupation. Its the big elephant in the room and is the catapult for theyre rationalization. Is it right in my mind, hell no, but its the way they rationalize based on several historical factors, is it everyone, no, but people want security food and everything else at the bottom of Maslows heiarchy of needs. Without it they are gonna look for someone who promises that and inevitablly if the one who stands up to do it and even if he is radically violent, people will tend to follow and rationalize it for the greater good or a plight to obtain those needs.

For all you who are gonna scream im anti-zionist, what if the shoe was on the other foot? What if Muslims controlled Israel and the Jews were being controlled in a small state. where they wanted freedom and no more occupation and werent even getting theyre basic needs met. Dont foget the Jews suicide bomb too. How many on here would call the Jews a bunch of irrational crazy murderers and would accept the muslims murdeirng jewish civilians on a 10:1 ratio.?

[colosilverado]

Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Heres a thought give them back palestine. would solve a ****load of problems wouldnt it? Imagine if palestine is theirs and theirs alone, how much violence do you think would be cut down immediatlly? Lets also not forget that the civillian casualty rate inflicted by Israel to palestine is around 10:1

these palestenine people in they're mind have rationalized theyre suicide bombings(dont forget Ireland has done it before too, yet many sympathize with they're plight). They are being occupied and they're religion and everything in their history, much like Vietnam and Ireland hates occupation. Its the big elephant in the room and is the catapult for theyre rationalization. Is it right in my mind, hell no, but its the way they rationalize based on several historical factors, is it everyone, no, but people want security food and everything else at the bottom of Maslows heiarchy of needs. Without it they are gonna look for someone who promises that and inevitablly if the one who stands up to do it and even if he is radically violent, people will tend to follow and rationalize it for the greater good or a plight to obtain those needs.

For all you who are gonna scream im anti-zionist, what if the shoe was on the other foot? What if Muslims controlled Israel and the Jews were being controlled in a small state. where they wanted freedom and no more occupation and werent even getting theyre basic needs met. Dont foget the Jews suicide bomb too. How many on here would call the Jews a bunch of irrational crazy murderers and would accept the muslims murdeirng jewish civilians on a 10:1 ratio.?

Because the land does not belong to them. Simple. Just like this land doesn't belong to the American Indian or the Mexicans or the French or the Brits. Their stupid ass claims of that being their land would be like the French and French-Americans blowing themselves up on Bourbon Street because of the Louisiana Purchase and their feeling that the French should still own it.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by colosilverado

Because the land does not belong to them. Simple. Just like this land doesn't belong to the American Indian.

Bullshít ...you really need to put your idiocy in Check

[colosilverado]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Bullshít ...you really need to put your idiocy in Check

Really? How do they own it then? Manifest destiny? Gawd, you sure have shown me up. You guys just call names and spew sentence fragments. Real persuasive.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by colosilverado

Because the land does not belong to them. Simple. Just like this land doesn't belong to the American Indian

Who says the land doesn't belong to them? Just because it was
stolen from them and they were kicked off of it by force?
As I recall, when the Europeans stole the land away from the
Native Americans too, the NA fought back too, with any means possible.
Only difference is they used bows and arrows instead of explosive vests.
But does the weapon really matter, you are just as dead either way.
And yes, the NA killed women and children too.
The Palestinians are just trying to get their land back much as
the Native Americans were. Whether they succeed or fail like
the Native Americans did, only history will tell.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by colosilverado

Really? How do they own it then? Manifest destiny? Gawd, you sure have shown me up. You guys just call names and spew sentence fragments. Real persuasive.

you idiot , so in other words , you would be ok with me coming in taking over your house ..... you wasnt strong enough to hold it , so tough luck ?
as for how I type , I learned along time ago , it is easier to call someone an Idiot , then debate their stupid ássed logic , you are an Idiot for a reason , I cant change that , but I can remind you every chance I get that you are an Idiot ..........

[cutthemdown]

I Have no problem with this. You have to use tactics like this to fight these types of wars. Isrealis know all about it, we are just learning.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Who says the land doesn't belong to them? Just because it was
stolen from them and they were kicked off of it by force?
As I recall, when the Europeans stole the land away from the
Native Americans too, the NA fought back too, with any means possible.
Only difference is they used bows and arrows instead of explosive vests.
But does the weapon really matter, you are just as dead either way.
And yes, the NA killed women and children too.
The Palestinians are just trying to get their land back much as
the Native Americans were. Whether they succeed or fail like
the Native Americans did, only history will tell.

They won't ever be defeated by those piss ants. They can fire missiles with no accuracy but they could never launch an offensive that takes over Israel. Even if Jordan/Egypt/Iran/Syria all attacked they would get beaten down.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Who says the land doesn't belong to them? Just because it was
stolen from them and they were kicked off of it by force?
As I recall, when the Europeans stole the land away from the
Native Americans too, the NA fought back too, with any means possible.
Only difference is they used bows and arrows instead of explosive vests.
But does the weapon really matter, you are just as dead either way.
And yes, the NA killed women and children too.
The Palestinians are just trying to get their land back much as
the Native Americans were. Whether they succeed or fail like
the Native Americans did, only history will tell.

one of the dirtiest tactics was spreading the small pox virus into blankets , then handing them out to the natives .......

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Who says the land doesn't belong to them? Just because it was
stolen from them and they were kicked off of it by force?
As I recall, when the Europeans stole the land away from the
Native Americans too, the NA fought back too, with any means possible.
Only difference is they used bows and arrows instead of explosive vests.
But does the weapon really matter, you are just as dead either way.
And yes, the NA killed women and children too.
The Palestinians are just trying to get their land back much as
the Native Americans were. Whether they succeed or fail like
the Native Americans did, only history will tell.

who says the rhine doesn't belong to germany? or britain should kick out the saxons? or that the muslims shoud leave jerusalem? borders get redrawn in war all the time, europe is a hodgepodge, so is the middle east. iraq is an artificial construction, as is switzerland. maybe china should give back its western provinces, or the arabs should all stuff themselves back into the arabian peninsula. or how about christians in lebanon who have been totally eradicated and marginalized over the last century.

the hatred, bigotry, and genocidal violence in palestine is a matter of their culture, not of anything else. they breed and teach hatred that at times exceeds all imaginable limits. the most democratic, free and pluralist society in the middle east is israel. muslims live better in israel, w/ more freedoms, and more say in their gov't then anywhere in the middle east. now maybe that doesn't live up to denmark standards, but its pretty hard to walk the line when every neighbor has wanted ur total annhilation for over half a century.

the whole talk about ethnic separation is just racism. proposed by racists and supported by racists. the goal here is liberal democracy, not some kind of ethnically clean country, even if genocidal maniacs are demanding it for themselves.

[Bronx33]

Well this thread has gone off on a tangent fact is the palastinians use their own children as bombs so if your going to rip one side you better rip the other . Another point is the palastinians will not share the land (it's all or nothing) and the jews know it and that's why this is this situaition.