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Old 02-01-2007, 07:31 PM   #26
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Marion over Anthony? Boozer* over Anthony?




*Melo will be the sub for Boozer.
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Old 02-01-2007, 07:34 PM   #27
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i love that it bothers you so much Were such a fun team to watch, and we dont have any flava clowns, so at least its good for the NBA.
And dont worry llama, im sure Howard will get in for Boozer

Well, if nothing else, this just bolsters Dirk's chances for MVP.
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Marion over Anthony? Boozer* over Anthony?
*Melo will be the sub for Boozer.
Stoudemire, Marion, and Parker over Howard and Anthony?

That's just craziness.
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Old 02-01-2007, 07:35 PM   #29
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Well, if nothing else, this just bolsters Dirk's chances for MVP.


it could. But i still dont think Dirk will get an MVP this year.

If Nash doesnt get a third one then Kobe will, just a guess
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it could. But i still dont think Dirk will get an MVP this year.

If Nash doesnt get a third one then Kobe will, just a guess
Dirk's best is yet to come...and how on earth can you make the argument with a straight face that Nash "makes his team better" when Dirk's team is better, has accomplished more, and has only one all-star?

Nash has two other perrenial all-stars, a 6th man of the year, and a former coach of the year. Something's got to give.

Dirk's been the de facto league MVP for two seasons. He'll get it this year.

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Stoudemire, Marion, and Parker over Howard and Anthony?

That's just craziness.
I understand the Mavs are deserving of two but don't compare the Melo snub to Howard getting snubbed. I'm not trying to belittle Howard by any means, but **** me, has the leagues leading scorer ever been snubbed?
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I understand the Mavs are deserving of two but don't compare the Melo snub to Howard getting snubbed. I'm not trying to belittle Howard by any means, but **** me, has the leagues leading scorer ever been snubbed?

Anthony missed a boat load of games for the fight incident. Howard did not. Howard's had a phenomenal season, he's worth more to Dallas than Marion is to the Suns.

The Nuggets have Iverson in. They dont need two guys there.
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Dirk's best is yet to come...and how on earth can you make the argument with a straight face that Nash "makes his team better" when Dirk's team is better, has accomplished more, and has only one all-star?

Nash has two other perrenial all-stars, a 6th man of the year, and a former coach of the year. Something's got to give.

Dirk's been the de facto league MVP for two seasons. He'll get it this year.
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Well, at least you can admit that there is no rational argument for Nash over Dirk for the past 2 1/2 seasons and that your opinion is one of a homer.
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The interesting thing about this is:

"Should any player be unable to participate in the All-Star Game due to injury, NBA Commissioner David Stern will select the replacement."

So Stern has 2 spots to pick. Yao's and Boozer's. It's going to be real interesting. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm really don't think that Stern is going to pick Melo. Sending the wrong message, etc. We'll see what Stern's PR decides to do, that's what I think will determine these 2 picks.
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The interesting thing about this is:
"Should any player be unable to participate in the All-Star Game due to injury, NBA Commissioner David Stern will select the replacement."
So Stern has 2 spots to pick. Yao's and Boozer's. It's going to be real interesting. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm really don't think that Stern is going to pick Melo. Sending the wrong message, etc. We'll see what Stern's PR decides to do, that's what I think will determine these 2 picks.
Stern wont want to pick Anthony, but Anthony is popular so we'll see.

Stern wont want to pick Howard either because of Cuban, so it will be interesting to see what he does. He's backed into a corner. I wouldnt be surprised to see him choose Zach Randolph and Ray Allen or something like that...a couple of smaller market players. Maybe Odom for LA. Shoot...why not just throw Diaw and Raja Bell in there to complete the deal?
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Well, at least you can admit that there is no rational argument for Nash over Dirk for the past 2 1/2 seasons and that your opinion is one of a homer.
Well this season im all homer for NAsh for MVP.

Last season he truly was deserving of MVP. Amare out, Thomas out most the year.

So no real post prescense. He got Diaw to be a great player, Barbosa learned tons last season, got open shots for everyone, and got us to the Western Conf. Finals and pushed it to 6 games by basically going with only 6 players.

insane! This year he has better numbers, but he has an improved Diaw, improved Barbosa and Amare back to help him.

but i wont mind a bit if he wins again
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Interesting note:

Stoudemire is only averaging 18.6 pts and 8.9 rebounds 0.6 assists 0.7 steals and 1.4 blocks.

That's not any better than Josh Howard's 19.4 poins 7.2 rebounds 2.0 assists 1.2 steals and 1.0 blocks
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Marion can't create his own shot and gets double-digit rebounds because that's his role on a bad rebounding team. He's overrated. But I won't get into Mavs v. Suns argument because I've read it about 1000 times already this season. But Llama does have a point that it helps Dirk's MVP argument in that he's doing what he does by being the only All-Star on the best team in the league.
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Stern wont want to pick Anthony, but Anthony is popular so we'll see.

Stern wont want to pick Howard either because of Cuban, so it will be interesting to see what he does. He's backed into a corner. I wouldnt be surprised to see him choose Zach Randolph and Ray Allen or something like that...a couple of smaller market players. Maybe Odom for LA. Shoot...why not just throw Diaw and Raja Bell in there to complete the deal?
Well you don't have to worry about Odom, he's missed like a month+ with his injury. There's no way he can get a spot. I mean, well... It would be shocking to say the least.

Randolph is actually having a good year, and Ray Allen is doing his best to carry that team without Lewis... We shall see I suppose.
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Well this season im all homer for NAsh for MVP.
Last season he truly was deserving of MVP. Amare out, Thomas out most the year.
So no real post prescense. He got Diaw to be a great player, Barbosa learned tons last season, got open shots for everyone, and got us to the Western Conf. Finals and pushed it to 6 games by basically going with only 6 players.
insane! This year he has better numbers, but he has an improved Diaw, improved Barbosa and Amare back to help him.
but i wont mind a bit if he wins again
He got Diaw to be a great player, he got Barbosa to be better, Marion to be better, and Stoudemire to be better?

That's insane.

Marion would disagree with you. (Make sure you remove highlight-fueled homerism glasses for this...) He's said several times that he was just as good before Nash got there.
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He got Diaw to be a great player, he got Barbosa to be better, Marion to be better, and Stoudemire to be better?

That's insane.

Marion would disagree with you. (Make sure you remove highlight-fueled homerism glasses for this...) He's said several times that he was just as good before Nash got there.
Did anybody even know Marion's name before Nash?

Seriously, Marion owes Nash a good portion of his paycheck. The only one of them good before Nash was Amare.
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did I say he got Marion to play better? Where did i say that? or Amare for that matter..

Marion is a great player, very athletic, great defender and rebounder and can hit the spot up 3. Thats his role on this team.

Im sorry, I forgot Diaw was a potential All Star before he got Phx.. wait...
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Did anybody even know Marion's name before Nash?
Seriously, Marion owes Nash a good portion of his paycheck. The only one of them good before Nash was Amare.
I hope you are being facetious...Marion earned a max contract before Nash showed up...if not in Phoenix, then somewhere else. Imagine that guy playing next to Duncan on a defensive team.

Here are Marion's stats:

Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
1999-00 PHO 51 24:41 4.4 9.2 47.1 0.1 0.4 18.2 1.4 1.7 84.7 2.1 4.5 6.5 1.4 1.0 0.8 1.0 2.2 10.2
2000-01 PHO 79 36:12 7.1 14.7 48.0 0.3 1.0 25.6 3.0 3.7 81.0 2.8 8.0 10.7 2.0 1.6 1.7 1.4 2.7 17.3
2001-02 PHO 81 38:23 8.1 17.2 46.9 0.6 1.5 39.3 2.4 2.8 84.5 2.6 7.3 9.9 2.0 1.8 1.8 1.1 2.6 19.1
2002-03 PHO 81 41:36 8.2 18.1 45.2 1.7 4.5 38.7 3.1 3.6 85.1 2.5 7.1 9.5 2.4 1.9 2.3 1.2 2.6 21.2
2003-04 PHO 79 40:42 7.5 17.0 44.0 1.1 3.4 34.0 2.9 3.4 85.1 2.7 6.7 9.3 2.7 2.0 2.1 1.3 2.6 19.0
2004-05 PHO 81 38:47 7.6 15.9 47.6 1.4 4.2 33.4 2.8 3.4 83.3 2.9 8.4 11.3 1.9 1.5 2.0 1.5 2.5 19.4
2005-06 PHO 81 40:17 8.8 16.9 52.5 1.2 3.6 33.1 3.0 3.7 80.9 3.1 8.8 11.8 1.8 1.5 2.0 1.7 2.8 21.8
2006-07 PHO 45 38:23 7.5 14.2 52.7 1.2 3.6 32.5 2.8 3.3 83.2 2.0 8.1 10.1 1.6 1.5 2.1 1.4 2.6 18.9


Notice how strikingly similar they are before Nash came, and after.
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I really dont see how Marion's rebounding improved because of Nash. Maybe Im not basketball-savvy, but that seems to be attributeable more to the new system (more possessions because of less use of the shot clock) than anything else.
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I didnt even say Marion improved caz of Nash, and then u go off on that tangent
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...that's a blatant slap in the face to Avery Johnson, Dirk Nowitzki, and the Mavs. The coaches usually reward the best team in the league in all-star voting by allowing their borderline players to beat out other borderline players, but didnt throw the Mavs a bone at all this year.
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Ahhh poooorrrr little Mavs....

Maybe this year they wont choke away a NBA title so you can have ur revenge for this travesty.
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...that's a blatant slap in the face to Avery Johnson, Dirk Nowitzki, and the Mavs. The coaches usually reward the best team in the league in all-star voting by allowing their borderline players to beat out other borderline players, but didnt throw the Mavs a bone at all this year.
Llama, you can't use Eastern Conference teams to bolster the slap in the face arguement. Come on man.
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I didnt even say Marion improved caz of Nash, and then u go off on that tangent
I thought that Nash made everyone better?

If so, then why is Marion's scoring average the lowest it's been since his second year? This in spite of the fact that the Suns have so many more posessions per game than they did back then.
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