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[Bronx33]

I loved reading these books by john culbertson (a sniper in the arizona) and Carlos Hathcock "Whitefeather" by Roy F Chandler it will help understand calibers and there effectiveness and just some great real sniper stories from the best carlos hathcock.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

I don't really see why Americans love guns so much. But having said that I do have a cheap 250 dollar pump shotgun by Mossberg and a .38 s&w my dad left me. You wonder though if we wouldn't have been better off only letting police have guns. I know way too late now it's a fundamental right and plus all the criminals have them now already. Still though we have so many guns in this country it's crazy.

Reponsiable people with guns are a completey different story that idiots wih guns unfortunately idiots are aloud to have guns (until) they **** that right up.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

Reponsiable people with guns are a completey different story that idiots wih guns unfortunately idiots are aloud to have guns (until) they **** that right up.

Other developed nations don't own guns at the rate Americans do though. I'm just saying we sort of grew up with guns being a right so we all have them. I have them. My dad had them. I have some friends who have small arsenals in their homes that I know would never want to have to shoot someone. It's just you wonder if that culture sort of made the streets what they are today. Not pointing any fingers just wonder about it.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

I'm not sure about the .357 magnum and .45, but the .357 Sig (which is much different than a .357 magnum) fires a much more powerful bullet.

Well, I guess I'll have to look at that .357 Sig option also.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Other developed nations don't own guns at the rate Americans do though. I'm just saying we sort of grew up with guns being a right so we all have them. I have them. My dad had them. I have some friends who have small arsenals in their homes that I know would never want to have to shoot someone. It's just you wonder if that culture sort of made the streets what they are today. Not pointing any fingers just wonder about it.

Idiots made the culture on the streets today i highly dought responsiable firearm owners had anything to do with it, no matter where you go or what country you live in (idiots will be) found.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Anyone ever handled and fired one of these? Pretty impressive weight and accuracy when you're talking about 1.5 to 2 inch groups @ 25 yards.

Handgun hunting aside, every big-game rifle hunter in the world ought to find the unencumbering security of a 24-ounce .357 or .41 Magnum very reassuring should the sudden need arise for an additional close-quarters shooting tool.

A Real Tackdriver
My review sample Titanium Tracker .357 Magnum model was finished in Matte Spectrum Blue, which has a deep, satiny midnight hue and is an elegant-looking finish. The long double-action trigger pull has an around-the-cylinder average of 10.839 pounds according to my computerized Dvorak TriggerScan, and the cocked single-action pull broke clean at 3.950 pounds with only 0.07-inch overtravel and 8.6-millisecond
locktime. It’s quick and crisp. The barrel/cylinder gap gauged at .004 inch, which is about .002 inch tighter than the average standard for .357 Magnum revolvers in general. And the overall fit, finish, and feel of the very tidy Tracker package was just excellent.

I chronographed and fired the .357 Tracker for accuracy with seven different commercial .357 Magnum loads and five varieties of .38 Special +P ammunition, targeting the open-sighted revolver at 25 yards. The results are listed in the chart.

As I found with the .357 and .41 Magnum chamberings of the snubnose Total Titanium line for my report in the May ’99 issue, the combination of the soft, hand-conforming Ribber Grips and the integral barrel porting makes the lightweight Titanium Tracker revolver extremely comfortable to fire and easy to control—even with the heaviest recoil, full-power 180-grain .357 Magnum loads. The .38 Special loads were powder puffs.

Given the same-power cartridge, fired in two guns of the same dimensions but different weights, barrel porting will recover the lighter gun quicker and more efficiently. You would expect a lightweight gun to really take off in recoil, but for the same reason that it does, in fact, accelerate so rapidly (due to its low inertia at rest), it’s also easier to control. Consider someone swinging a heavy wooden baseball bat at you, and someone else swinging a lightweight, same-dimension sponge Whiffle-ball bat at you at the same speed. Stick up your hands in front of the blows. Which is easier to stop? Which stings less?

Add to these weight/porting factors the cushiony and hand-conforming Ribber Grip design and you have a 24-ounce magnum revolver you can shoot securely and comfortably with complete rapid-fire control. The Ribber Grip doesn’t shift in your hand, and your palm has no abrasion. The light titanium material is only one element of an integrated three-part self-recovering shooting system with the other parts being the unique Ribber Grips and the integral barrel porting. Remove any one part, and the system doesn’t work.

As for accuracy, the .357 Titanium Tracker was exceptional—and a surprise. The overall combined group average for all .357 Magnum loads fired at 25 yards from this open-sight four-inch gun was a tight 1.81 inches; for all .38 Special loads it was 1.40 inches. Just for comparison, consider that when I recently reviewed a six-inch S&W Model 686 and a six-inch Ruger GP100 with .357 Magnum ammo loads at 25 yards using a 5X scope, the overall combined averages came out at 1.24 inches—and that’s with two inches more barrel and optics. Taurus reports that some Tracker groups fired in the ballistics tube in its Miami headquarters are coming in essentially one-hole. The Tracker gave me some of the best iron-sight magnum revolver groups I’ve fired in a long time.

Why would a Titanium four-inch gun with a fairly common 1:18.75-inch rifling twist rate perform so clearly above the norm? Well, individual guns do have individual personalities, and there are always performance variations gun to gun even among identical specimens of the same model, particularly with revolvers, due to normal manufacturing tolerance variations.

The next Tracker off the line might not be quite so good—or it might even be better. But one inherent design element to consider here is the lined barrel. Remember that a primary reason for the universally recognized superior accuracy of the Dan Wesson removable-barrel revolver system was the fact that the slim inner barrel tube was secured at both ends—screwed into the frame and held tightly to its outer shroud by a heavy-duty muzzle nut—thus reducing barrel vibration and flex. The stainless-steel bore liner of the Taurus Titanium revolvers is not removable and does not employ a muzzle nut, but it is nonetheless similarly threaded separately into the frame and secured to the enclosing titanium barrel at several points along its length in a manner that gives it considerably more rigidity than any free-hanging, muzzle-thread-only barrel attachment system. This is not a factor to be overlooked.

Ask a Taurus spokesman, he just smiles and says, “Proprietary.”
An Outdoorsman’s Dream
I believe the Titanium Tracker magnum revolvers will have great appeal to hunters and outdoorsmen of all types given their high level of accuracy and performance, near-indestructible construction, and extreme light weight. Handgun hunting aside, every big-game rifle hunter in the world ought to find the unencumbering security of a 24-ounce .357 or .41 Magnum very reassuring should the sudden need arise for an additional close-quarters shooting tool. Trout or salmon fishermen in bear country will certainly appreciate the waterproof comfort of a powerful yet lightweight sidearm. Ranchers and back-country workers who now leave their heavy steel revolvers under the driver’s seat when stepping out of their pickup trucks can have a powerhouse companion that can be stuck easily in the hip pocket or a belt-slide holster without a dragging weight pulling at their waists. And hunters who need to move rapidly over rough ground after a fleet quarry or pack of hounds will think the Titanium Trackers are a Godsend.

I remember in the 1960s and 1970s, after the first stainless-steel snubnose and fixed-sight revolvers appeared on the market, how interminably long the wait seemed before sport and field models began to appear on the market. The original stainless S&W Chiefs Special Model 60 was introduced in 1965; it was then nearly a decade before the first adjustable-sight, longer barrel stainless revolvers were available. When the S&W AirLite Ti and Taurus Total Titanium personal-defense and police revolver configurations were initially displayed at the IACP Convention and SHOT Show several months ago, I immediately craved the longer barreled, full-featured sport and hunting models I knew were sure to eventually come. But I expected a long, long wait.

Boy, did I underestimate this company. Simply put, the weather-impervious super-light Titanium Tracker .357 Magnum and .41 Magnum revolvers are the answer to an outdoorsman’s dream.
Shooting Modern Big-Bore Lever Actions


Overall
average accuracy


1.48
NOTES: Accuracy is the average of five seven-round
groups fired from a sandbag benchrest at 25 yards.
Velocity is the average of seven rounds measured
10 feet from the gun’s muzzle, and standard
deviation is instrumental.

Coming To Grips With The Tracker
The grips on the new Tracker are Taurus’ patented Ribber design. They absorb recoil and increase controllability tremendously, which is a very important factor in firing a 24-ounce, full-power-magnum handgun. A handgun’s direct recoil impact ordinarily does two things to the hand: It slams the backstrap against the web of the palm and wedges the angle of the grip downward, working to break the shooter’s grasp. Ergonomic grip designs can compensate by providing cushioning for the palm over the backstrap and by securing the purchase of the fingers against the frontstrap. The Taurus Ribber grip does both.

Molded from a soft-textured polymer, the Ribber’s backstrap is thickly cushioned around the reduced-dimension inner titanium grip-frame, and the front and sides of the grip are formed by wraparound, closely spaced, small elastomer ribs. These softly flexible ribs (visualize them as three-dimensional teeth on a comb) deform and squeeze together when grasped, shaping themselves into a natural “fingergroove” configuration that molds to the individual shape and surface of the palm and fingers of the specific hand. Released, they return to natural, ready for the next different grasp. Plus the many small ridges greatly increase the surface area contact between the grip and your palm compared to conventional solid-surface grips.

This is a major advance in grip technology. We have long known that the most effective handgun grips for keeping a secure grasp against direct recoil are those with fingergrooves—but only if the fingergrooves match the shooter’s hand. Unfortunately, no one shape or size, no matter how “average,” can fit every shooter’s hand (“one size fits all” always means no size exactly fits). The Ribber solves the problem, creating an individual “custom” fingergroove fit self-molded to the individual hand every time you pick it up. It provides a remarkably comfortable and controlling grasp on lightweight titanium guns, even the snubnose Total Titanium .41 Magnum, even in rapid fire. It’s the best, most secure revolver grip design I’ve ever encountered. I hope Taurus will license it to aftermarket accessory manufacturers for application to other manufacturers’ handgun models.

Page One - History, Total Titanium, Durability, Finishes
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[Bronx33]

I that a Pachmayr handle? non the less it looks extremely shootable.

[Cito Pelon]

Lightweight and accuracy, eh? I'll have to look into a big caliber titanium pistol.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

I that a Pachmayr handle? non the less it looks extremely shootable.

Molded from a soft-textured polymer, the Ribber’s backstrap is thickly cushioned around the reduced-dimension inner titanium grip-frame, and the front and sides of the grip are formed by wraparound, closely spaced, small elastomer ribs. These softly flexible ribs (visualize them as three-dimensional teeth on a comb) deform and squeeze together when grasped, shaping themselves into a natural “fingergroove” configuration that molds to the individual shape and surface of the palm and fingers of the specific hand. Released, they return to natural, ready for the next different grasp. Plus the many small ridges greatly increase the surface area contact between the grip and your palm compared to conventional solid-surface grips.

This is a major advance in grip technology. We have long known that the most effective handgun grips for keeping a secure grasp against direct recoil are those with fingergrooves—but only if the fingergrooves match the shooter’s hand. Unfortunately, no one shape or size, no matter how “average,” can fit every shooter’s hand (“one size fits all” always means no size exactly fits). The Ribber solves the problem, creating an individual “custom” fingergroove fit self-molded to the individual hand every time you pick it up. It provides a remarkably comfortable and controlling grasp on lightweight titanium guns, even the snubnose Total Titanium .41 Magnum, even in rapid fire. It’s the best, most secure revolver grip design I’ve ever encountered. I hope Taurus will license it to aftermarket accessory manufacturers for application to other manufacturers’ handgun models.

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[ksBRONCOfan]

Originally Posted by ludo21

I own a paintball gun.

Syper Ti 82 I think.

I have a Piranha EXT.



I also have a Mossberg 12 gauge pump and an older Remington single shot .22. Never have shot a pistol.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

I don't think that's always true. Check out the muzzle velocity of 45s and then other calibers.

Muzzle velocity 45s

* 14.7 g (230 gr) Full Metal Jacket: 260 m/s (860 ft/s)
* 11.9 g (185 gr) CCI/Speer Gold Dot JHP (from 5in (127 mm) barrel): 317 m/s (1041 ft/s)
* 14.7 g (230 gr) Federal Hi-Shok JHP (from 5 in (127 mm) barrel): 260 m/s (860 ft/s)

+ P loads

* 11.9 g (185 gr) JHP: 350 m/s (1150 ft/s)
* 14.7 g (230 gr) JHP: 290 m/s (950 ft/s)
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38 Special +P loading fires a 125-grain bullet at 945 ft/s for a muzzle energy of 248 ft·lbf.

A standard-pressure .38 Special only makes 850 ft/s for 201 ft·lbf of muzzle energy.

A 9 mm Luger, by comparison, will fire a 124-grain bullet at 1140 ft/s for 358 ft·lbf of energy, and a .380 ACP will fire a 95-grain bullet at 955 ft/s for 192 ft·lbf of energy.

The .357 Magnum will fire a 125-grain bullet at 1,450 ft/s for a muzzle energy of 583 ft·lbf, or packing nearly three times as much energy as the same bullet in a .38 Special.

When all is said and done, I like the .38 Chiefs Special. It fits in the palm of my hand, and for me I can actually hit a small target at 40-50 yds with shot after shot. With my hand-cannon the .357 with a 4-inch barrell, sheesh, forget about placing more than one shot fast in a square yard at more than 10 yds. The kick is so bad it takes at least one second to re-aim that thing. It's a hard weapon to handle.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

When all is said and done, I like the .38 Chiefs Special. It fits in the palm of my hand, and for me I can actually hit a small target at 40-50 yds with shot after shot. With my hand-cannon the .357 with a 4-inch barrell, sheesh, forget about placing more than one shot fast in a square yard at more than 10 yds. The kick is so bad it takes at least one second to re-aim that thing. It's a hard weapon to handle.

That's what it comes down to for personal protection, what you can handle and accuracy. There is almost never a situation where you would have to fire a handgun over 50 ft (15 yards or so).

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

When all is said and done, I like the .38 Chiefs Special. It fits in the palm of my hand, and for me I can actually hit a small target at 40-50 yds with shot after shot. With my hand-cannon the .357 with a 4-inch barrell, sheesh, forget about placing more than one shot fast in a square yard at more than 10 yds. The kick is so bad it takes at least one second to re-aim that thing. It's a hard weapon to handle.

Shot after shot meaning what? if you can't take the same amount of time to retarget with a .357 vs a .38 something is wrong. Also if you are taking the time to retarget during a break in (then you missed) the first shot should have ripped the bit** in half. And i would also like to add the sound of a cannon is more intimidating than a pee shooter i understand you like the east shooting .38 but i will add sure you have no kick but on the same note your intruder is still coming after you because his drugged filled carcass don't feel a pee shooter.

[Garcia Bronco]

I want to get a pistol for protection when I go camping this year. What would anyody reccomend in a 200-400 dollar range?

It would basically stay under the seat in my ride and no one will know about it.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I want to get a pistol for protection when I go camping this year. What would anyody reccomend in a 200-400 dollar range?

It would basically stay under the seat in my ride and no one will know about it.

Where you going camping five points?

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

Where you going camping five points?

LMAO!

[SureShot]

I have always wanted a Browning Hi-power. Any thoughts on it?

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[Bronx33]

Ruger's Mark III Hunter .22 pistol.
Great mountain pistol

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger_MarkIII-Hunter.htm

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

Shot after shot meaning what? if you can't take the same amount of time to retarget with a .357 vs a .38 something is wrong. Also if you are taking the time to retarget during a break in (then you missed) the first shot should have ripped the bit** in half. And i would also like to add the sound of a cannon is more intimidating than a pee shooter i understand you like the east shooting .38 but i will add sure you have no kick but on the same note your intruder is still coming after you because his drugged filled carcass don't feel a pee shooter.

Shot after shot meaning the pistol does not have such bad kick I have to bring it down six inches or so to re-target. Sure, it's not a one shot show-stopper like my .357, but it is small. The bear-stopper is the .357, but there is no way I waste a shot at more than say 15 yds with that thing. I won't take a shot with that cannon until the bear is within 15 yds or so. That way a second shot is likely to target with that cannon.

The .38 I don't mind as a PDW. I'm not gonna carry around a hand-cannon. And really, for PDW I really don't want to shoot somebody. The .38 doubles as brass-knucks if need be, and that's preferable to shooting somebody in a situation.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

When all is said and done, I like the .38 Chiefs Special. It fits in the palm of my hand, and for me I can actually hit a small target at 40-50 yds with shot after shot. With my hand-cannon the .357 with a 4-inch barrell, sheesh, forget about placing more than one shot fast in a square yard at more than 10 yds. The kick is so bad it takes at least one second to re-aim that thing. It's a hard weapon to handle.

Maybe I'm thinking of something else, but are you talking about the S&W Chief's Special? Didn't they quit making that revolver?

The reason I ask is because my dad had one, along with a 45 luger revolver, and they were stolen several years ago. I thought about getting him a replacement one, but I was never able to find one.

I'm thinking about getting a handgun personally. I have several rifles (and even a blackpowder) but never been into handguns much. I'll probably get a tazer for the wife (she hates guns) but I want a handgun. Any recommendations (will use for hunting as well)?

[Florida_Bronco]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I want to get a pistol for protection when I go camping this year. What would anyody reccomend in a 200-400 dollar range?

It would basically stay under the seat in my ride and no one will know about it.

What are you looking to protect yourself from? Animals? People? Both?

Local dealers here sell this Taurus .40 cal in the $380 dollar range. It's very accurate and great quality, and the value for your dollar is very high. It won't stop bears, but it'll stop just about anything else.

[TD30]

I own the very SIG in the first post great firearm...

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

What are you looking to protect yourself from? Animals? People? Both?

Local dealers here sell this Taurus .40 cal in the $380 dollar range. It's very accurate and great quality, and the value for your dollar is very high. It won't stop bears, but it'll stop just about anything else.

Any experience with the Taurus PT-99 or just the -100?

[Bronx33]

M16A1 rifle with 30 rounds magazine and a 40mm M203 grenade launcher

Ultimate home protection unit

[Florida_Bronco]

Originally Posted by TD30

I own the very SIG in the first post great firearm...

Which round is yours chambered for?