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Old 12-18-2006, 06:29 PM   #26
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And how is this any different from what happens at a hockey match or baseball game?

I actually find the singling out of basketball players to honestly be tinged in racism consciously or not.

When two hockey players throw down the crowd is cheering them on. Heaven forbid two or more highly competitive basketball players tussle on a much lower level (when's the last time you saw a punch that drew blood in the NBA)??

Maybe people get a bit more uppity about a bench clearing baseball tussle..but no one wrings their hands about the children when Clemens shaves someone's head with a fastball. Heck, it's an unwritten rule to bean an opponent if your player gets hit.

well, clearly the nba standard is not set by what other sports consider allowable. i've seen this argument before - it doesn't have much merit.

stern is obviously setting a tone that in the nba (notice, no nfl, nhl, etc.) these actions are unacceptable.

the suspensions and fines can be called in to question - but not against another sport. that's silly.
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Old 12-18-2006, 06:33 PM   #27
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I don't have a huge problem with the suspensions, although it means my New Year's Eve tickets are worthless.

My huge problem in all of this, like others have mentioned, is that Isiah was the mastermind that started this, and he even basically admitted as much, and the NBA doesn't even fine the guy. I mean I know he'll probably be out of work this Summer anyways, but still. I call shenanigans on that.
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Old 12-18-2006, 06:37 PM   #28
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I don't have a huge problem with the suspensions, although it means my New Year's Eve tickets are worthless.

My huge problem in all of this, like others have mentioned, is that Isiah was the mastermind that started this, and he even basically admitted as much, and the NBA doesn't even fine the guy. I mean I know he'll probably be out of work this Summer anyways, but still. I call shenanigans on that.
this is a pretty level headed take.

the biggest concern here is that thomas clearly had his hands in this, yet the league did nothing to him. i don't get that. if stern is truly set to remove fighting from the nba, then he must address a coach who advocates actions that may lead to this result.
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Old 12-18-2006, 06:38 PM   #29
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I agree Rhymes, the fact that that gigantic turd known as Zeke is held harmless in this whole fiasco is troublesome. What a tough weekend to be a nuggs fan. The AI trade is not looking likely and 48 points is on the shelf for the next 10+ games. Yay.
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Old 12-18-2006, 06:40 PM   #30
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......shouldn't the embarrasment of being a punk be enough. Sucker punch and then run like a little p***Y. What a class act. Damn primadonnas need to be chopped off at the knees! Include Allen Iverson in that category. He was a punk when he was playing for ODU. Just because they are good at "hoops" doesn't excuse BS behavior!
I can't defend Melo running away like he did... But how exactly was it a sucker punch?
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Melo should have taken a swing at Jefferies....

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Carmelo got his today, and rightfully so! You don't sucker punch and then run away into the lockeroom like he did.

15 games, 10 for JR.

"I was very disappointed," Stern said. "Clearly, we're not getting through or players in certain circumstances just don't want to be restrained. I would suggest that those players will not have long careers in the NBA."

Wheres Gonzo to defend this? He will probably call me a racist for bringing this up.

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When my kid grows up I want him to be just like Carmelo
Nothing like gloating over something that a good portion of this board is pretty worked up over.

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Isiah Thomas is a grade A a-hole.
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Old 12-18-2006, 07:57 PM   #34
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I don't have a huge problem with the suspensions, although it means my New Year's Eve tickets are worthless.

My huge problem in all of this, like others have mentioned, is that Isiah was the mastermind that started this, and he even basically admitted as much, and the NBA doesn't even fine the guy. I mean I know he'll probably be out of work this Summer anyways, but still. I call shenanigans on that.
I think it's because the league knows that the worst thing they can do to the Knicks is to allow them to continue to be coached by Isiah.
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Take a guess....how many games did Child and Kobe get suspended for for this?

(Hint, both teams are in major markets)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POZJywu4vl8&eurl=
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Take a guess....how many games did Child and Kobe get suspended for for this?

(Hint, both teams are in major markets)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POZJywu4vl8&eurl=
Please, Kobe threw an elbow to Mike Miller's throat last season, practically bragged about it afterwards and got a whole two games for it.
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Please, Kobe threw an elbow to Mike Miller's throat last season, practically bragged about it afterwards and got a whole two games for it.
This 15 game suspension is a ****ing joke.....

****ing Isiah....

BTW, Kobe got one game for the above fight and Childs got two.
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well, clearly the nba standard is not set by what other sports consider allowable. i've seen this argument before - it doesn't have much merit.

stern is obviously setting a tone that in the nba (notice, no nfl, nhl, etc.) these actions are unacceptable.

the suspensions and fines can be called in to question - but not against another sport. that's silly.
My point isn't about the fines or suspensions. They are clearly warranted if more draconian than most precedent.

Every league has their own standards. My point is the double standard that appears to exist when NBA players get involved in an altercation. I don't care what Stern does, as that is his wont, Player's association grievances notwithstanding. It's the strange doublespeak that occurs where the NBA is full of thugs, but baseball can clear benches and hockey can have a fight every night.

Are the Cubs/White Sox thugs for their altercation? Or how about every hockey team at least once this year?
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And how is this any different from what happens at a hockey match or baseball game?

I actually find the singling out of basketball players to honestly be tinged in racism consciously or not.

When two hockey players throw down the crowd is cheering them on. Heaven forbid two or more highly competitive basketball players tussle on a much lower level (when's the last time you saw a punch that drew blood in the NBA)??

Maybe people get a bit more uppity about a bench clearing baseball tussle..but no one wrings their hands about the children when Clemens shaves someone's head with a fastball. Heck, it's an unwritten rule to bean an opponent if your player gets hit.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:19 PM   #40
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When my kid grows up I want him to be just like Carmelo
You want your kid to be a millionaire and get to play his favorite sport for a living every day? Me too!
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This 15 game suspension is a ****ing joke.....

****ing Isiah....

BTW, Kobe got one game for the above fight and Childs got two.
Childs got two because he jacked Bryant's jaw.

I followed a couple of links off of that one to other Bryant fights, and he always loses. Someone always makes him look like a girl, including REGGIE MILLER!

That's right...Reggie Miller punked Bryant.

I guess that Bryant can get away with drilling Mike Miller in the throat with a cheapshot elbow, but when he has to face up to someone, he gets done in.

Here's the list as far as I know it, feel free to add.

Players who have punked Kobe Bryant:
Reggie Miller
Chris Childs
Raja Bell
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anyone else?

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Old 12-18-2006, 10:43 PM   #42
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:58 PM   #43
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Is there no appeal system for these suspensions. If there isn't then f*** the NBA and f*** the biggest idiot in Sports history namely David Stern and their bull**** rules. That idiot and Isiah Thomas should be banned from the NBA for life.
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Is there no appeal system for these suspensions. If there isn't then **** the NBA and **** the biggest idiot in Sports history namely David Stern and their bull**** rules. That idiot and Isiah Thomas should be banned from the NBA for life.
Like in the NFL, MLB, and NHL, the NBA Players Association will appeal the fine.
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And how is this any different from what happens at a hockey match or baseball game?.
Well, in baseball... you've got a bunch of fat guys leaning on each other and yelling things.

In basketball, it looks a little more like fighting. A punch occasionally connects, though it's usually only a cheap shot because 37 guys jump in when two guys are squared off.

In hockey, they actually fight. Guys square up, land punches... and they do it on skates.
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My point isn't about the fines or suspensions. They are clearly warranted if more draconian than most precedent.

Every league has their own standards. My point is the double standard that appears to exist when NBA players get involved in an altercation. I don't care what Stern does, as that is his wont, Player's association grievances notwithstanding. It's the strange doublespeak that occurs where the NBA is full of thugs, but baseball can clear benches and hockey can have a fight every night.

Are the Cubs/White Sox thugs for their altercation? Or how about every hockey team at least once this year?
Your hockey comparison is terrible and you sound like someone who knows very little about the sport besides the fighting aspect. Basketball wouldn't be considered a league full of thugs (and I'm not saying it is) if guys squared off on a regular basis and it was an accepted part of the game, i.e. no suspensions when there is a fight. That's where your hockey comparison is so weak. It's a part of the game. Guys aren't automatically suspended just because they dropped their gloves like they are in basketball. That has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with what is an accepted part of each sport.
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Your hockey comparison is terrible and you sound like someone who knows very little about the sport besides the fighting aspect. Basketball wouldn't be considered a league full of thugs (and I'm not saying it is) if guys squared off on a regular basis and it was an accepted part of the game, i.e. no suspensions when there is a fight. That's where your hockey comparison is so weak. It's a part of the game. Guys aren't automatically suspended just because they dropped their gloves like they are in basketball. That has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with what is an accepted part of each sport.
Way to set him straight, Herc.

Nothing pisses me off more than someone who knows nothing about hockey comes in and starts bagging on fights.
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Way to set him straight, Herc.

Nothing pisses me off more than someone who knows nothing about hockey comes in and starts bagging on fights.
Well to be fair to rubaiyat, I don't think he was bagging on fights or the NHL. All he's saying, as I understand it, is the following:

-When two guys in hockey fight, nobody cares. It happened, move on.
-When there are baseball bench-clearing brawls, nobody cares. Same deal. It happened, throw out a few suspensions, no big deal.
-Fights are less common in the NFL, but when stuff like perhaps the Haynesworth incident happens, the guy is suspended, but it still blows over.

Yet in the NBA, you have a fight and all of a sudden, your league is full of rappers and gangbangers. I think rubaiyat's point is, why is this some "black eye" for the NBA, why are all NBA players instantly labeled as thugs, etc. I mean, a couple years ago, we had Pedro Martinez I believe get into a fight with that Yankees assistant coach, and it was more humorous than anything else. If that happens in the NBA, it's a travesty, an epidemic, etc.

If I'm wrong I apologize, and perhaps rubaiyat can better explain is point, but that is how I read it. I don't think he was trying to talk down on other sports.
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Nobody cares that there has been a fight in hockey because it is a legal part of the sport. Fighting is not legal in any other sport, that's why it's a terrible comparison.
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Nobody cares that there has been a fight in hockey because it is a legal part of the sport. Fighting is not legal in any other sport, that's why it's a terrible comparison.
Not to mention that fights in hockey many times serve a very important purpose. Accountability...et al.

One reason I think it's so important to crack down on fighting in the NBA is as simple as the size and brute strength those guys possess. They're not wearing any pads...nor are they throwing hands while balancing on knives...they're 6'7 230 lbs of strength, and sick leverage. It''s dangerous.

Back to the hockey example...one thing that really grates on me is when some dingbat calls an incident like Bertuzzi's shot on Moore, or McSorely/Brashear a fight. It's singularly stupid.
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