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Old 12-17-2006, 03:31 AM   #101
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I'm not so sure about that, but we'll see.

As a fan of neither team, I dont have a dog in either hunt. I do see some variables that will cause this to be propagated for awhile and ultimately dealt with severely.

1. Anthony is a budding "superstar", and he will get much more media attention. He threw a slap that caused the thing to become chaotic, and there are several images that will be shown all over the place. The media can focus on Anthony because of his past, and this thing wont die for a couple of weeks. It's a big deal.

2. It went into the front row.

3. It happened right in the belly of the beast. The NY media will push this story hard and villainize Anthony.

4. It has the same chaotic NBA feel and close fan proximity as "the brawl", and has mainstream staying power because of the dramatic images that recall that event.
Points 1 and 3 sum it up perfectly.
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yahoo.com has a pretty unbiased account of things.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

I especially liked all time NBA super puss Isiah Thomas' take on the thing. Mind you...he watched some of the all time greatest muggings in NBA history when he was with the pistons. Not to mention he was a failure as the owner of the CBA, and is in a death match with matt millen as the worst gm in sports history.

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Thomas said he even told Anthony that he never should have been in the game at the time.

"I just said to him, 'You know, you're up 20, you're up 19 with a minute and half to go, you and (Marcus) Camby really shouldn't be in the game right now,"' Thomas said. "We had surrendered, those guys shouldn't even be in the game at that point in time."

After the hard foul by Collins, Smith got up and jawed with Collins and Robinson jumped in to yell at Smith -- who had thrown down a reverse dunk on a fast break minutes earlier.

"They were having their way with us," Thomas said. "I think J.R. Smith had just made one dunk when he reversed and spun in the air. And I think Mardy didn't want our home crowd to see that again. So he fouled him."

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Old 12-17-2006, 04:07 AM   #104
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Look at the poll on espn.com ... and so it begins
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Old 12-17-2006, 04:19 AM   #105
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And so it continues. Brace yourself, Nuggs fans, they´re only getting started

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Stern needs to come down with an iron fist on this one. For Mardy Collins (whose flagrant foul, while deserved, could have been a lot worse) gets five games. Nate Robinson, whose immaturity rivals that of most teenagers, gets 15. J.R. Smith, Nate's partner in the playpen, gets the same. Carmelo Anthony, the NBA's scoring leader and whose name will be associated with this night for the rest of his career, gets 30. Too much? Jermaine O'Neal got that and he hit a fan charging the floor. 'Melo just poured fuel on the fire.

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Old 12-17-2006, 04:27 AM   #106
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Look at the poll on espn.com ... and so it begins
I just saw the "fight" on espn.com. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

That was a real melee. Aside from the one tackle it was nothing more than a 3rd grade cafeteria slap fight.

If 'Melo is lucky he'll get a huge suspension from his girly punch. He'll sale more sneakers.

What a ridiculously overblown b!tchfest this was. Watermock gets slapped harder by his kitties than anyone in this nonsense got hit.

Good grief.
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ESPN News might be demonizing Melo ... they're calling Melo's shot a "sucker punch." But isn't a sucker punch only when a guy is not looking ... this was not a sucker punch.

Also, they are playing up Isiah's angle that "Melo and Camby shouldda been on the bench" because they had a huge lead

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I'm more of a Nuggets fan than Knicks fan, that's for sure. But I'm not a diehard. Not even a big NBA fan. But, here are some points.

#1. Melo shouldn't get suspended for more than 5 games. He didn't hit the dude that hard. It was, for the most part, on the court.
#2. It WAS a cheap shot. He wasn't engaged with the dude and reached around to get a sucker punch on the guy. Yes, he deserved to get "popped" in the head. But Melo made himself look like a little punk by throwing the cheapshot and then "bailing".

#3. Isiah IS right. Up by 20 points why would you have the league's leading scorer in the game? The Nuggets made this too easy for the Knicks to flip. They started the whole thing and 95% of America will hear the reasons behind the hard foul and they will take the Knicks side. Couple in a "sucker punch" by Melo and it's not good for the Nugs.

BroncoBuff. Not sure there is a clear cut definition of a sucker punch, but I'm pretty sure you can classify getting hit when you're not expecting a person to hit you as a "sucker punch" or a "cheap shot". He had to jump around the guy wearing a suit and the Knicks player was clearly not expecting to engage with Melo.

Sorry Nuggets fans, you're team is taking a lot of egg for this one and I'm not so sure they shouldn't be.

I'm suprised none of the Nugget fans are wondering why they're top players are in the game with 1:30 left to play up by 20 What's worse, the Knicks had taken out their best players (not too good to begin with I know) already and were conceding the game.
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ESPN News might be demonizing Melo ... they're calling Melo's shot a "sucker punch." But isn't a sucker punch only when a guy is not looking ... this was not a sucker punch.

Also, they are playing up Isiah's angle that "Melo and Camby shouldda been on the bench" because they had a huge lead

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Actually, Alan Houston was playing that angle down. He said there is a point to be made for sure, but that isn't bad enough to lead to a all out brawl. No excuses... period.

Put it to you this way. If Karl pulls Melo and the Nuggets have a bunch of back-ups in there... I'm in complete favor of the Nugs in this incident. But, with Melo in there it looks like the Nugs are trying to run up the score and embarrass the Knicks... in MSG no less. I'm not suprised in the least by the reaction of the Knicks. Anybody that has ever played ball in any sport knows that losing can be embarassing. When somebody is rubbing it in it's that much worse.
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Old 12-17-2006, 10:23 AM   #110
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The way the media is handling this Stern will give a suspension larger than deserved for Carmelo. I thinks its BS the way ESPN is handling this like it was an all out street brawl.
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Yeah, "hit-n-run" Anthony is a great ambassador for the game and roll model for kids!
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Old 12-17-2006, 12:38 PM   #113
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i was looking at this game it was kinda of funny
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Yeah, "hit-n-run" Anthony is a great ambassador for the game and roll model for kids!
melo just anit no b**** thats all
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Old 12-17-2006, 12:56 PM   #115
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Yeah, "hit-n-run" Anthony is a great ambassador for the game and roll model for kids!

this is a pretty funny post coming from someone who did or did not send an e-mail to an unnamed cities newspaper to tattle tale on someone who disagrees with them. And then not own up to it like a real man would. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
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Old 12-17-2006, 12:57 PM   #116
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I'm more of a Nuggets fan than Knicks fan, that's for sure. But I'm not a diehard. Not even a big NBA fan. But, here are some points.

#1. Melo shouldn't get suspended for more than 5 games. He didn't hit the dude that hard. It was, for the most part, on the court.
#2. It WAS a cheap shot. He wasn't engaged with the dude and reached around to get a sucker punch on the guy. Yes, he deserved to get "popped" in the head. But Melo made himself look like a little punk by throwing the cheapshot and then "bailing".

#3. Isiah IS right. Up by 20 points why would you have the league's leading scorer in the game? The Nuggets made this too easy for the Knicks to flip. They started the whole thing and 95% of America will hear the reasons behind the hard foul and they will take the Knicks side. Couple in a "sucker punch" by Melo and it's not good for the Nugs.

BroncoBuff. Not sure there is a clear cut definition of a sucker punch, but I'm pretty sure you can classify getting hit when you're not expecting a person to hit you as a "sucker punch" or a "cheap shot". He had to jump around the guy wearing a suit and the Knicks player was clearly not expecting to engage with Melo.

Sorry Nuggets fans, you're team is taking a lot of egg for this one and I'm not so sure they shouldn't be.

I'm suprised none of the Nugget fans are wondering why they're top players are in the game with 1:30 left to play up by 20 What's worse, the Knicks had taken out their best players (not too good to begin with I know) already and were conceding the game.
1. I think he will get suspended more than 5. What does it matter how hard he hit him? Somebody was jawing at him and he had to show he was a man?Up to that point he hadn't really done much, was being escorted off the court and turned around and hit him. What a dumba**.

2. Agree

3. What I'd like to ask Isaiah is what does that have to do with anything? My feeling is that is no reason for any of this or the hard foul.

Just a bunch of babies and why I don't watch NBA much anymore.
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this is a pretty funny post coming from someone who did or did not send an e-mail to an unnamed cities newspaper to tattle tale on someone who disagrees with them. And then not own up to it like a real man would. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
WHAT A LOSER
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this is a pretty funny post coming from someone who did or did not send an e-mail to an unnamed cities newspaper to tattle tale on someone who disagrees with them. And then not own up to it like a real man would. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
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b**** trolls.

Meck and SnitchSlug feel the same way. Can't say that I am shocked.
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He needs someone to help him change some things and manage his public image better.

There have been things that have happened in his career that give him the image of a low-life street thug, and these things just further that perception of him. ESPiN wants him to do these things so that he can be a controversial figure, and unfortunately he continues to oblige.

He understands leadership as stepping into the fray and escalating the situation further for his boy. He needs someone to tell him that leadership in that situation involves thinking about the entire franchise and the fans in the arena. It involves thinking. That takes maturity.
I guess you forgot about Jet Terry punching Michael Finley in WC playoffs and Stackhouse clotheslining Shaq in the finals.

If Carmelo wasn't thinking, then those two fools are complete idiots.
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I guess you forgot about Jet Terry punching Michael Finley in WC playoffs and Stackhouse clotheslining Shaq in the finals.
If Carmelo wasn't thinking, then those two fools are complete idiots.
Terry's little jab was unexcuseable. Shaq got bounced by Stackhouse (think about that for a second...a two guard bounced Shaq onto his big 'ol butt) because he had been playing Bad Boys basketball, and had even elbowed Nowitzki intentionally and with malice in the jaw. Shaq was the dirtiest player in that series by a mile. Stackhouse's foul was within the flow and the tenor of the game. If the refs didnt want the finals to have that type of feel, they shouldnt have allowed Shaq to do the things that he was doing. If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it.


Stackhouse's image isnt a sparkling one, but he isnt Dallas' star player.

Terry on the other hand has a great reputation with fans. Comparing Anthony, who has had serious problems in the public arena, with Terry or Stackhouse isnt a good comparison.

Nobody condones Terry's nut jab. Stackhouse's play was a hard foul in the flow of the game.
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MELOS is going to be gone for like 2 weeks for this maybe the A.I trade will pick up in denver
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I saw a video with sound from the Knicks broadcast. When Melo connected you could hear it clear as day. That was pretty darn loud. I bet he gets 10 games.
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I saw a video with sound from the Knicks broadcast. When Melo connected you could hear it clear as day. That was pretty darn loud. I bet he gets 10 games.
Anthony slapped like a girl and ran away from Robinson like one too.
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Anthony slapped like a girl and ran away from Robinson like one too.
Yeah I know. Here is the video from what I was talking about.

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