Carmelo Anthony will be suspended - Page 4 - The Orange Mane

epicSocialism4tw · 12-17-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHI2HYE2J0A

At about the 1:30 mark. Robinson shoves JR, Lee is pulling JR away and Robinson throws a right hand at him. That's where things popped off.

He throws what looks like a two-finger sliding super-kung-fu knife hand that misses or maybe slightly contacts some chin, Smith instinctively reacts and comes firing away at Robinson.

Nuggets4 · 12-17-2006, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

These guys might get unfairly suspended:
Najera
Camby
David Lee
Jeffries
Channing Fyre
Andre Miller

I couldnt see anyone else. Nene came off of the bench, so he might be suspended.

Najera is the only one on that list in any danger of being suspended, and he won't be. The others aren't even SEEN in any of the footage of the fight. As for Nene, he'll get a fine for leaving the bench (league rules), but that's it.

Clockwork Orange · 12-17-2006, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

He throws what looks like a two-finger sliding super-kung-fu knife hand that misses or maybe slightly contacts some chin, Smith instinctively reacts and comes firing away at Robinson.

By NBA standards, that's a punch. There hasn't been a decent punch thrown in this league since Kermit Washington.

Clockwork Orange · 12-17-2006, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4

Najera is the only one on that list in any danger of being suspended, and he won't be. The others aren't even SEEN in any of the footage of the fight. As for Nene, he'll get a fine for leaving the bench (league rules), but that's it.

Nene will get an automatic one game suspension for leaving the bench.

epicSocialism4tw · 12-17-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4

Najera is the only one on that list in any danger of being suspended, and he won't be. The others aren't even SEEN in any of the footage of the fight. As for Nene, he'll get a fine for leaving the bench (league rules), but that's it.

All of those guys were seen moving and shoving around the pile. I dont think that they deserve it, but the possibility is there. Especially for Nene who came off of the bench after Anthony threw the slap.

Nuggets4 · 12-17-2006, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Nene will get an automatic one game suspension for leaving the bench.

You sure? All the talking heads were saying it's an automatic fine, but not suspension. I could be wrong.

theAPAOps5 · 12-17-2006, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Nene will get an automatic one game suspension for leaving the bench.

They are saying Melo runs away. ESPin is just putting this is all on him, saying "Severe fines/suspensions" will be surely doled out. I swear to God if Melo gets more than 5 its BS.

Nene left the bench but while he looks to be an aggressor it also looks like he was holding some dudes back. Maybe he gets a fine and thats it.

Clockwork Orange · 12-17-2006, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4

You sure? All the talking heads were saying it's an automatic fine, but not suspension. I could be wrong.

I could swear that the league rule is an automatic one game suspension for anyone who leaves the bench during an altercation.

epicSocialism4tw · 12-17-2006, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4

You sure? All the talking heads were saying it's an automatic fine, but not suspension. I could be wrong.

I think that it depends on the context, but I dont know how they categorize those things.

theAPAOps5 · 12-17-2006, 12:11 AM

Dude you know Nate Robinson is short when he is looking up and I mean UP at the reporters. Webster makes me laugh!

epicSocialism4tw · 12-17-2006, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

They are saying Melo runs away. ESPin is just putting this is all on him, saying "Severe fines/suspensions" will be surely doled out. I swear to God if Melo gets more than 5 its BS.

Nene left the bench but while he looks to be an aggressor it also looks like he was holding some dudes back. Maybe he gets a fine and thats it.

This happened in NY. It will be repeated ad nauseum in the press. Not only sports press, but on the front page. This will be the closest thing we will see to the Pacers/Pistons hooliganism without fans taking punches from players. These guys will get hefty fines. The NBA doesnt want it's front page news to be crowd-entering brawls, especially in NY.

Clockwork Orange · 12-17-2006, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

I think that it depends on the context, but I dont know how they categorize those things.

I don't think so, I think it's a black & white rule. You leave the bench, you get suspended.

Clockwork Orange · 12-17-2006, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

This happened in NY. It will be shown ad nauseum. This will be the closest thing we will see to the Pacers/Pistons hooliganism without fans taking punches from players. These guys will get hefty fines.

Of course, but the fact of the matter is that this is nowhere close to what happened in Detroit. They can spin it as much as they like, but this was flat out tame compared to the Palace brawl.

theAPAOps5 · 12-17-2006, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

This happened in NY. It will be shown ad nauseum. This will be the closest thing we will see to the Pacers/Pistons hooliganism without fans taking punches from players. These guys will get hefty fines.

Yeah I agree on fines. Right now Chris Sheridan is pimping his column on espn.com and calling Melo's punch a sucker punch. That is not a sucker punch. He saw that coming and it was a SLAP.

Isiah has a lot to do with this as well. Man Melo looks bad though with the slap and run.

epicSocialism4tw · 12-17-2006, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Of course, but the fact of the matter is that this is nowhere close to what happened in Detroit. They can spin it as much as they like, but this was flat out tame compared to the Palace brawl.

Well, it didnt involve players attacking fans, but it did go into the stands. This isnt what the PR department wants on the front page, so they'll have to come down harder than they would have before the brawl.

You also have to consider that some of the front row patrons could have lawsuits up their sleeves. The NBA has to take drastic measures.

Clockwork Orange · 12-17-2006, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

Well, it didnt involve players attacking fans, but it did go into the stands. This isnt what the PR department wants on the front page, so they'll have to come down harder than they would have before the brawl.

You also have to consider that some of the front row patrons could have lawsuits up their sleeves. The NBA has to take drastic measures.

Drastic? I don't think so. It was a fight, it was nasty, but it's not going to be on Good Morning America or anything like the Palace brawl was.

They'll dole out suspensions to Anthony, Collins, Robinson, Smith, Nene & (hopefully) Isiah and that will be pretty much be that.

theAPAOps5 · 12-17-2006, 12:23 AM

Dude players go into those seats all the time. Same with the courtside seats. That is expected in most cases. Yeah a fight fell in their laps but half the stadium had left. Looking at the tape it no fan got caught underneath. Most were running already and one guy was kind of chuckling.

epicSocialism4tw · 12-17-2006, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Drastic? I don't think so. It was a fight, it was nasty, but it's not going to be on Good Morning America or anything like the Palace brawl was.
They'll dole out suspensions to Anthony, Collins, Robinson, Smith, Nene & (hopefully) Isiah and that will be pretty much be that.

I'm not so sure about that, but we'll see.

As a fan of neither team, I dont have a dog in either hunt. I do see some variables that will cause this to be propagated for awhile and ultimately dealt with severely.

1. Anthony is a budding "superstar", and he will get much more media attention. He threw a slap that caused the thing to become chaotic, and there are several images that will be shown all over the place. The media can focus on Anthony because of his past, and this thing wont die for a couple of weeks. It's a big deal.

2. It went into the front row.

3. It happened right in the belly of the beast. The NY media will push this story hard and villainize Anthony.

4. It has the same chaotic NBA feel and close fan proximity as "the brawl", and has mainstream staying power because of the dramatic images that recall that event.

Clockwork Orange · 12-17-2006, 12:34 AM

Someone posted this on another board, I'll re-post it here for some perspective.

11/21/04

The NBA came down hard with the suspensions for Friday's Ind-Det brawl that involved players going into the stands and punches being exchanged between players and fans. Ron Artest (Ind) was suspended for the rest of the season (72 games). Stephen Jackson (Ind) was suspended for 30 games. Jermaine O'Neal (Ind) was suspended for 25 games. Those total suspensions are upped by 1 game as they do not include Saturday's Ind-Orl game. The Players Association has already stated that they will appeal those 3 suspensions and an arbitrator may eventually reduce the length of those suspensions. All 3 threw punches at fans and Artest and Jackson went into the stands. Anthony Johnson (Ind) was suspended 6 games - he was the player in street clothes who punched a fan on the court right after Artest and the fan had a confrontation. His suspension will not start until he is physically able to play. Ben Wallace (Det) was suspended for 6 games for his two handed shove to Artest's face during the game and for throwing a towel at Artest after the players had been separated. Elden Campbell (Det), Chauncey Billups (Det), Derrick Coleman (Det), and Reggie Miller (Ind) were suspended for 1 game for leaving the bench during the on court altercation between Wallace and Artest. Artest, Jackson, and O'Neal will be listed on a suspended list so Indiana will be able to sign players for their spots while the players are suspended (and, thus, exceed the 15 player roster maximum). Commissioner David Stern: "The penalties issued today deal only with one aspect of this incident that of player misconduct. The actions of the players involved wildly exceeded the professionalism and self-control that should fairly be expected from NBA players. We must affirm that the NBA will strive to exemplify the best that can be offered by professional sports, and not allow our sport to be debased by what seem to be declining expectations for behavior of fans and athletes alike." Stern: "To watch the out-of-control fans in the stands was disgusting. It doesn't excuse our players from going into the stands."

The worst suspenions doled out from that whole melee to players who didn't run into the stands and fight with fans was 6 games. All this talk about Carmelo getting 10+ games is completely ridiculous.

Clockwork Orange · 12-17-2006, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

I'm not so sure about that, but we'll see.

As a fan of neither team, I dont have a dog in either hunt. I do see some variables that will cause this to be propagated for awhile and ultimately dealt with severely.

1. Anthony is a budding "superstar", and he will get much more media attention. He threw a slap that caused the thing to become chaotic, and there are several images that will be shown all over the place. The media can focus on Anthony because of his past, and this thing wont die for a couple of weeks. It's a big deal.

2. It went into the front row.

3. It happened right in the belly of the beast. The NY media will push this story hard and villainize Anthony.

4. It has the same chaotic NBA feel and close fan proximity as "the brawl", and has mainstream staying power because of the dramatic images that recall that event.

I agree on a couple of points, but I don't think that's going to carry much weight when suspensions are handed down. Things are still hot right now because it just happened a couple of hours ago, but in the end it's just an on court incident of a few players getting into it with each other. They'll be punished and this whole thing will blow over and be forgotten.

It's not going to be anywhere near as lasting as the Palace brawl.....no matter how much the media wants to morph it into that.

Hercules Rockefeller · 12-17-2006, 12:56 AM

Damn, first game I'm going to this year is against the Suns this Wednesday, and that was a hedge that they might have AI in uniform for that.

Was listening to the Knicks broadcast on Sirius and up until Anthony threw his "punch", they couldn't stop saying how disgraceful the actions of the Knicks were and how they felt sorry for everyone that came out to MSG tonight.

DomCasual · 12-17-2006, 01:41 AM

The Knicks franchise has sunk to the point where Isiah Thomas is whining about getting embarrassed in front of his home crowd, then sending a thug out to deliver a cheap shot.

Embarrassing.

Man-Goblin · 12-17-2006, 01:41 AM

I'm pissed at Melo. I really am.

I have followed the Nuggets since I was a little kid. Other than the '94 playoffs I've never had a reason to get excited about the Nuggets, ever, until Melo. Watching him in the 3rd quarter tonight was like a dream. He was unstoppable.

And get this. I am in Denver for next 2 and a half weeks. I haven't been home in 3 years, so naturally I have never seen him play. Now, it looks like I STILL may not be able to. Damn you Melo. Totally unnecessary and stupid.

Clockwork Orange · 12-17-2006, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DomCasual

The Knicks franchise has sunk to the point where Isiah Thomas is whining about getting embarrassed in front of his home crowd, then sending a thug out to deliver a cheap shot.

For the second straight game. He did the same thing Friday night.

Flagrant Fouls: 1 NEWYORK ( M Collins 1 )

That happened with 1:44 to go in the game. Coincidence?

epicSocialism4tw · 12-17-2006, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

For the second straight game. He did the same thing Friday night.

Flagrant Fouls: 1 NEWYORK ( M Collins 1 )

That happened with 1:44 to go in the game. Coincidence?

The thugs are hanging on with all of their might. Thomas is a dinosaur, best left to struggle in a tar pit.

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12-17-2006, 12:11 AM	#85
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 29,387 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Dude you know Nate Robinson is short when he is looking up and I mean UP at the reporters. Webster makes me laugh!

12-17-2006, 12:23 AM	#92
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 29,387 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Dude players go into those seats all the time. Same with the courtside seats. That is expected in most cases. Yeah a fight fell in their laps but half the stadium had left. Looking at the tape it no fan got caught underneath. Most were running already and one guy was kind of chuckling.

12-17-2006, 12:34 AM	#94
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,352	Someone posted this on another board, I'll re-post it here for some perspective. 11/21/04 The NBA came down hard with the suspensions for Friday's Ind-Det brawl that involved players going into the stands and punches being exchanged between players and fans. Ron Artest (Ind) was suspended for the rest of the season (72 games). Stephen Jackson (Ind) was suspended for 30 games. Jermaine O'Neal (Ind) was suspended for 25 games. Those total suspensions are upped by 1 game as they do not include Saturday's Ind-Orl game. The Players Association has already stated that they will appeal those 3 suspensions and an arbitrator may eventually reduce the length of those suspensions. All 3 threw punches at fans and Artest and Jackson went into the stands. Anthony Johnson (Ind) was suspended 6 games - he was the player in street clothes who punched a fan on the court right after Artest and the fan had a confrontation. His suspension will not start until he is physically able to play. Ben Wallace (Det) was suspended for 6 games for his two handed shove to Artest's face during the game and for throwing a towel at Artest after the players had been separated. Elden Campbell (Det), Chauncey Billups (Det), Derrick Coleman (Det), and Reggie Miller (Ind) were suspended for 1 game for leaving the bench during the on court altercation between Wallace and Artest. Artest, Jackson, and O'Neal will be listed on a suspended list so Indiana will be able to sign players for their spots while the players are suspended (and, thus, exceed the 15 player roster maximum). Commissioner David Stern: "The penalties issued today deal only with one aspect of this incident that of player misconduct. The actions of the players involved wildly exceeded the professionalism and self-control that should fairly be expected from NBA players. We must affirm that the NBA will strive to exemplify the best that can be offered by professional sports, and not allow our sport to be debased by what seem to be declining expectations for behavior of fans and athletes alike." Stern: "To watch the out-of-control fans in the stands was disgusting. It doesn't excuse our players from going into the stands." The worst suspenions doled out from that whole melee to players who didn't run into the stands and fight with fans was 6 games. All this talk about Carmelo getting 10+ games is completely ridiculous.

12-17-2006, 12:56 AM	#96
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,163 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	Damn, first game I'm going to this year is against the Suns this Wednesday, and that was a hedge that they might have AI in uniform for that. Was listening to the Knicks broadcast on Sirius and up until Anthony threw his "punch", they couldn't stop saying how disgraceful the actions of the Knicks were and how they felt sorry for everyone that came out to MSG tonight.

12-17-2006, 01:41 AM	#97
DomCasual The Dude abides. Shameless Homer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 13,601 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Fax Machine	The Knicks franchise has sunk to the point where Isiah Thomas is whining about getting embarrassed in front of his home crowd, then sending a thug out to deliver a cheap shot. Embarrassing.

12-17-2006, 01:41 AM	#98
Man-Goblin Giving You The Business Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 5,954 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	I'm pissed at Melo. I really am. I have followed the Nuggets since I was a little kid. Other than the '94 playoffs I've never had a reason to get excited about the Nuggets, ever, until Melo. Watching him in the 3rd quarter tonight was like a dream. He was unstoppable. And get this. I am in Denver for next 2 and a half weeks. I haven't been home in 3 years, so naturally I have never seen him play. Now, it looks like I STILL may not be able to. Damn you Melo. Totally unnecessary and stupid.