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11-08-2006, 02:19 AM
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I'm proud of my fellow South Dakotans
The State Legislature just got their ass handed to them by the people.
South Dakota votes against ban of almost all abortions SoCals link: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/....ap/index.html Adjust font size: (AP) -- South Dakotans rejected a toughest-in-the-nation law that would have banned virtually all abortions, even in cases of rape and incest -- defeating one of the most high-profile state measures facing voters Tuesday. The outcome was a blow to conservatives, although they prevailed in five other states where voters approved constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage. Among them was Wisconsin, where gay-rights activists had nursed hopes of engineering the first defeat of such a ban. Five states approved increases in their minimum wage, while Arizona passed four measures targeting illegal immigrants, including one making English the state's official language. (View real-time results for key ballot measures) Voters weren't keen about another, more quirky Arizona measure: They defeated a proposal that would have awarded $1 million to a randomly selected voter in each general election. Nationwide, a total of 205 measures were on the ballots in 37 states, but none had riveted political activists across the country like the South Dakota abortion measure. Passed overwhelmingly by the legislature earlier this year, it would have allowed abortion only to save a pregnant woman's life. Lawmakers had hoped the ban would be challenged in court, provoking litigation that might eventually lead to a U.S. Supreme Court reversal of the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion. "This is a wake-up call to lawmakers in other states that America's pro-choice majority will not allow an assault on Roe v. Wade to go unanswered," said Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America. (Watch how initiatives indicate a 'frustration with government' -- 1:22 ) Eight states had ban-same-sex-marriage amendments on their ballots. Idaho, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia joined Wisconsin in approving them, according to projections. Results were pending in Arizona, Colorado and South Dakota. Similar amendments have passed previously in all 20 states to consider them. Colorado voters had an extra option -- a measure that would grant domestic-partnership rights to same-sex couples. Conservatives hoped the same-sex marriage bans might increase turnout for Republicans. Democrats looked for a boost from low-income voters turning out on behalf of measures to raise the state minimum wage in six states. The wage hike passed in Arizona, Missouri, Montana, Nevada and Ohio, according to CNN projections. Results were pending in Colorado. (Watch talk of minimum wage and pregnant pigs -- 2:20 ) In Missouri, a proposed amendment allowing stem cell research was a factor in the crucial Senate race there; incumbent Republican Jim Talent opposed the measure, while Democratic challenger Claire McCaskill supported it. Missouri -- along with Arizona, South Dakota and California -- had a sharp increase in tobacco taxes on its ballot. In California alone, big tobacco companies spent more than $56 million fighting a tax increase that would boost the average price of a pack of cigarettes to $6.55. In Ohio, anti-smoking activists won a showdown with R.J. Reynolds Tobacco. Voters approved a tough ban on smoking in public places and rejected a Reynolds-backed measure that would have exempted bars, bowling alleys and racetracks. The costliest ballot campaign -- a state record of $133 million -- was raised in the fight over California's Proposition 87, which would tax companies drilling for oil in the state. The proposal sought to raise $4 billion to promote alternative fuels and energy-efficient vehicles. Nevada and Colorado both offered measures -- trailing badly in the pre-Election Day polls -- that would legalize possession of up to an ounce of marijuana by anyone 21 and older. A measure in Rhode Island would restore voting rights to felons on probation and parole. In Michigan, CNN projects that voters will approve a proposition to bar the state government from using race and gender to determine who gets into college, who gets hired and who receives contracts. Elsewhere, land use was a hot issue, part of a backlash against a 2005 Supreme Court ruling allowing the city of New London, Connecticut, to buy up homes to make way for a private commercial development. Eleven states considered eminent-domain measures barring the government from taking private property for a private use; Florida, Georgia and South Carolina approved them overwhelmingly. In four states -- Arizona, California, Idaho and Washington -- voters could require state and local authorities to compensate property owners if land-use regulations lowered the value of their property. South Dakota voters could make their state the first to strip immunity from judges, exposing them to the possibility of lawsuits, fines and even jail for their actions on the bench. Opponents, including leaders of both major parties, said it would create chaos in the judicial system. In Maine, Nebraska and Oregon, voters considered measures that would cap increases in state spending -- similar to a controversial measure approved in Colorado in 1992. Pennsylvania voters gave the state the go-ahead to borrow $20 million so that nearly 33,000 veterans in the state who participated in the Persian Gulf War could collect one-time payments up to $525. |
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11-08-2006, 07:13 AM
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as you should be .......... Abortions are horrid and thier should be alot less of them( it is obvious me and the wife dont practice abortion
 ) , but , the option should be there ...... though it should always be the very last option ........ |
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11-08-2006, 07:23 AM
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Atlas, you're from South Dakota? Uh-oh.
I voted in ND this year, because I didn't get a SD absentee. That's the only true measure outside Gay-Marriage in SD that I cared for, but I think that got banned. I'm surprised with this outcome, in a by far conservative state - and it's encouraging because if it'd get voted down here, it probably would almost anywhere. I'm happy too. |
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11-08-2006, 08:36 AM
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 Anyway, I think the death blow to this amendment was that it bans abortion even in cases of rape and incest.... That just isn't right. |
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11-08-2006, 08:50 AM
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11-08-2006, 09:03 AM
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11-08-2006, 10:01 AM
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As far as I'm concerned the only abortion issue which rightly belonged as a voting issue was the use of public funds.
To tell someone what they are or aren't going to do as a result of a rape on a political balloting agenda is just insane stuff to me. |
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11-08-2006, 01:32 PM
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I'm sad the marijuana thing didn't pass. . . Minehaha, Lawrence, Brookings, Buffalo, Clay, Todd, Union all voted for it. Clay County was in support by like 62%. . . Gay Marriage ban makes me mad, but I don't care. I'd expect that from SD. I don't go to Rapid or much often, but it's nice out there. It's a great getaway from everything. I'm from Huron. . . now in Fargo. |
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11-08-2006, 03:59 PM
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I wouldn't celebrate too quickly....or maybe you should because it'll be overturned soon enough.
Get it in whilst you can. |
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11-08-2006, 04:13 PM
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Killing children is never something to be proud of, and I'll just leave it at that.
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11-08-2006, 04:15 PM
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This was just another attempt to legislate morality by the religious right (they were hoping for a SC ruling eventually reversing Roe).
And BTW, they are currently debating partial term now... -------------------------------------------- Justices have pointed abortion discourse By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - The graphic details of a disputed abortion procedure filled the Supreme Court on Wednesday as justices voiced concern with a federal ban on that operation. Justices brought up uncomfortable images in sharp questions to lawyers on both sides. The issue: whether Congress was within its rights when it banned a procedure opponents call partial-birth abortion, for which there is little hard data and much disagreement. "Wouldn't the fetus ... suffer a demise in seconds anyway?" Justice John Paul Stevens asked, focusing on the law's ban on how, rather than whether an abortion may be performed. Solicitor General Paul Clement replied: "Well it may be seconds, it may be hours." "Do you not agree that it has no chance of surviving, in most cases?" Stevens asked again. In an intense morning of arguments, lawyers for the Bush administration and supporters of abortion rights gave starkly contrasting views on the practice: A law passed by Congress and signed by President Bush in 2003 labels it gruesome, inhumane and never medically necessary. Supporters argue that such abortions sometimes are the safest for women. An anti-abortion protester in the audience began shouting midway through the first of two hours of arguments, briefly disrupting the hearing before police dragged him away. A day after voters defeated abortion restrictions in three states, hundreds of protesters gathered in the rain outside the court. Anti-abortion advocates curled up in the fetal position along the wet sidewalk, forcing pedestrians to step over them as abortion rights groups chanted and held signs nearby. The Bush administration is defending the law as drawing a bright line between abortion and infanticide. The method involves partially extracting an intact fetus from the uterus, then cutting or crushing its skull. Doctors most often refer to the procedure as a dilation and extraction or an intact dilation and evacuation abortion. The procedure appears to take place most often in the middle third of pregnancy. There are a few thousand such abortions, according to rough estimates, out of more than 1.25 million abortions in the United States annually. Ninety percent of all abortions occur in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, and are not at issue. Six federal courts have said the law is an impermissible restriction on a woman's constitutional right to an abortion. Clement told justices that it is significant whether "fetal demise takes place in utero or outside the mother's womb. The one is abortion, the other is murder." Eve Gartner, arguing on behalf of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said, "What Congress has done here is take away from women the option of what may be the safest procedure for her. This court has never recognized a state interest that was sufficient to trump the women's interest in her health." Four justices remain on the court who were part of a five-vote majority opinion that invalidated a similar Nebraska law six years ago because it lacked an exception to preserve a woman's health and encompassed a more common abortion method. Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, David Souter and Stevens all indicated they were troubled either by the federal law's lack of a health exception and its apparent disregard for a significant body of medical opinion that the procedure can be the best choice. Justice Anthony Kennedy raised questions about the law, but also voiced concerns six years ago before he wrote an impassioned dissent saying he would have upheld the Nebraska law. Chief Justice John Roberts appeared favorably inclined to the administration's defense of the law. He asked several times whether there was any evidence to suggest the banned abortion procedure was anything more than marginally safer than the more common dilation and evacuation method, in which a fetus is dismembered as it is removed from the uterus. Justice Samuel Alito, hearing his first abortion arguments since joining the court earlier this year, sat silently through two hours of debate. Justice Antonin Scalia, a vocal abortion opponent, also was uncharacteristically quiet through the arguments. Justice Clarence Thomas was out sick Wednesday, but will take part in deciding the cases, Roberts announced. A ruling is expected before July. The cases are Gonzales v. Carhart, 05-380, and Gonzales v. Planned Parenthood, 05-1382. ___ Associated Press writers Pete Yost and Matt Apuzzo contributed to this report. On the Net: Supreme Court: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/ http://tinyurl.com/yewy4s Last edited by Bronco_Beerslug; 11-08-2006 at 04:20 PM.. |
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11-08-2006, 05:36 PM
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11-08-2006, 05:39 PM
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11-08-2006, 06:28 PM
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Kudos to the people of SD for saying no to these nuts. |
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11-08-2006, 06:33 PM
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This is exactly how abortion should be handled. Repeal Roe V. Wade (don't kill me yet) but let it be decided, state by state, via referendum. If the people want it, they should be able to vote for or against it.
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Not that being right matters for much in the phantom case of Constitutionally protected abortion-on-demand. |
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11-08-2006, 09:13 PM
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The Jaymes River really stinks man. I remember even the ice stunk. I played football at BHSU and we used to kick the **** out of Huron all the time!!  |
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