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Old 04-25-2006, 12:54 PM   #26
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To bad Popovich is a better coach than Larry Brown and is more stable in his job than Larry Brown is, who becomes unstable at every stop.
meh larry is down now and popp is up. lots of ppl could have won with the roster the spurs had and to be honest there might be room for criticism of why they couldn't get by the lakers at anytime shaq was there. even the year detroit annhilated the lakers.

popp teaches solid defense but at times his offensive scheme is uninspired and really is just the sum of ginobili/parker/duncan's 1on1 ability + floor spacing. interestingly thats also what avery does, and lucky for both of them they have an abundance of 1on1 talent.
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Old 04-25-2006, 12:58 PM   #27
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meh larry is down now and popp is up. lots of ppl could have won with the roster the spurs had and to be honest there might be room for criticism of why they couldn't get by the lakers at anytime shaq was there. even the year detroit annhilated the lakers.

popp teaches solid defense but at times his offensive scheme is uninspired and really is just the sum of ginobili/parker/duncan's 1on1 ability + floor spacing. interestingly thats also what avery does, and lucky for both of them they have an abundance of 1on1 talent.
There is always room for criticism for every coach, but yavoon, are you braindead of what, mentioning the Pistons defeated the Lakers in '04, who the hell DID THE SPURS BEAT IN LAST YEAR'S FINALS, THE PISTONS.

And those Lakers teams from 2000-02 were great, it would have taken a great team to defeat them. The Spurs lost some close games in 2002 to them,even though the Series went 5 games and in 2004, Derek Fisher's shot catapulted them into the WCF and then to the NBA Finals.

And YAVOON, THE SPURS DID DEFEAT THE LAKERS W/ KOBE AND SHAQ IN 1999 AND 2003, THEY ENDED THEIR CHANCE FOR A FOUR-PEAT.

Your argument is laughable and pathetic. Spurs are playing to its personal now, like they did in the early TDs years when they had an old Admiral, and veterans.

This team likes to get up and down and will play uptempo when the other teams play that way.

Look at last year's WCF against the Suns for proof.

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meh larry is down now and popp is up.
Pop has been "up" since he's been a head coach.

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there might be room for criticism of why they couldn't get by the lakers at anytime shaq was there. even the year detroit annhilated the lakers.
San Antonio did knock off Shaq's Lakers. In 02-03 and 98-99.

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popp teaches solid defense but at times his offensive scheme is uninspired and really is just the sum of ginobili/parker/duncan's 1on1 ability + floor spacing. interestingly thats also what avery does, and lucky for both of them they have an abundance of 1on1 talent.
Ever wonder why they use an offensive scheme that maximizes their strengths?
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There is always room for criticism for every coach, but yavoon, are you braindead of what, mentioning the Pistons defeated the Lakers in '04, who the hell DID THE SPURS BEAT IN LAST YEAR'S FINALS, THE PISTONS.

And those Lakers teams from 2000-02 were great, it would have taken a great team to defeat them. The Spurs lost some close games in 2002 to them,even though the Series went 5 games and in 2004, Derek Fisher's shot catapulted them into the WCF and then to the NBA Finals.

And YAVOON, THE SPURS DID DEFEAT THE LAKERS W/ PHIL JACKSON, KOBE AND SHAQ IN 1999 AND 2003, THEY ENDED THEIR CHANCE FOR A FOUR-PEAT.

Your argument is laughable and pathetic. Spurs are playing to its personal now, like they did in the early TDs years when they had an old Admiral, and veterans.

This team likes to get up and down and will play uptempo when the other teams play that way.

Look at last year's WCF against the Suns for proof.
this isnt a beats b, b beats c, c beats a logic here, this is criticism of poppovich folding like a paper towel to the lakers.

and honestly why so mad? so I dont think popp is as amazing as other ppl? does that require all those caps? so I think poppovich's offense is uninspired? I think there's a very good case for that.

poppovich teaches solid fundamental basketball that centers around good defense, but he's also had a ton of talent. IMO popp is somewhere in the top 5 coaches currently coaching but definitely not as good as phil jackson.
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Looks like Gonzo and Yavoon have baited their hooks, dropped their lines and have hooked a couple of suckers.

They can't really believe all the crap they type....can they?
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They can't really believe all the crap they type....can they?
Hey, I still believe the Nuggets will be in the 2nd round of the playoffs and that Kenyon Martin will get healthy in the offseason, so anything's possible.
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Pop has been "up" since he's been a head coach.



San Antonio did knock off Shaq's Lakers. In 02-03 and 98-99.



Ever wonder why they use an offensive scheme that maximizes their strengths?
I dont think poppovich's offensive scheme maximizes anyone's strengths. I think its just a solid system that they are capable of executing because of their offensive talent. thats all.

as for him being up since he became head coach he's had one year w/o tim duncan. the year david robinson was injured and they stunk to high heaven. he gets two great big men and he's good again, he has the best player in basketball and he wins. but lots of coaches can do that.
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this isnt a beats b, b beats c, c beats a logic here, this is criticism of poppovich folding like a paper towel to the lakers.

and honestly why so mad? so I dont think popp is as amazing as other ppl? does that require all those caps? so I think poppovich's offense is uninspired? I think there's a very good case for that.

poppovich teaches solid fundamental basketball that centers around good defense, but he's also had a ton of talent. IMO popp is somewhere in the top 5 coaches currently coaching but definitely not as good as phil jackson.

I never said he was as good as Phil Jackson or even Pat Riley. So does that mean Phil Jackson folded like a paper towel when the Spurs defeated them in 2003?

Pop is a damn good coach who has been able to treat every player with the same type of respect.

He's get onto Tim Duncan as much as he does Fabrico Oberto or Beno. Pop also has innovated his offense more than his early days.
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Hey, I still believe the Nuggets will be in the 2nd round of the playoffs and that Kenyon Martin will get healthy in the offseason, so anything's possible.
Pass that **** over here man
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Looks like Gonzo and Yavoon have baited their hooks, dropped their lines and have hooked a couple of suckers.

They can't really believe all the crap they type....can they?
if I had typed last year that larry brown wasn't the messiah I would have been flamed just as hard, perhaps by different ppl but just as hard. u just have to expect this sort of thing.
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if I had typed last year that larry brown wasn't the messiah I would have been flamed just as hard, perhaps by different ppl but just as hard. u just have to expect this sort of thing.
You're the one being flamed, lol.

And yes, I do expect "this sort of thing" from you. It's usually just a matter of figuring out if it's going to be you or Gonzo that baits the hook first, and who will take it.
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I never said he was as good as Phil Jackson or even Pat Riley. So does tha mean Phil Jackson folded like a paper towel when the Spurs defeated them in 2003?

Pop is a damn good coach who has been able to treat every player with the same type of respect.

He's get onto Tim Duncan as much as he does Fabrico Oberto or Beno. Pop also has innovated his offense more than his early days.
pop has never played without a HOF center arguably the most valuable single player u can possibly have. infact he had two at one point. I'm just saying that the spurs success while admirable is due mostly to their talent than their coach and while its nice that pop is a good person and is winning with it it doesn't mean that he's as good as they say.

like I said, he teaches good fundamental basketball but is overall relatively uninnovative. when he has the talent he can probably beat u, and of course he's a nice person.
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I dont think poppovich's offensive scheme maximizes anyone's strengths. I think its just a solid system that they are capable of executing because of their offensive talent. thats all.
You maximize the strengths of your players. You dont make it to the NBA if you cant manage that. You let your quick point guard beat his man. You let your post men seal defenders off. You let your two-guard draw fouls and shoot free throws. You dont institute the princeton offense and throw the ball around the perimeter. You play from the post out and let your players take advantage of the fact that your dominant post player will be doubled every time he gets it under the free throw line. That's combination play, and not just one on one.

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Like...maybe...Phil Jackson?
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You're the one being flamed, lol.

And yes, I do expect "this sort of thing" from you. It's usually just a matter of figuring out if it's going to be you or Gonzo that baits the hook first, and who will take it.
why is it funny that I'm being flamed? like I said, had I said this about larry brown last year u'd be saying the same thing. some ppl can't look deeper, thats all.
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Dirk was drafted in 1998. Dallas has made the playoffs every year since his second season. Dallas has been eliminated in rd.1 once, rd.2 3 times, and the Conference Finals once (Dirk got injured in game 3). Dallas has never lost a series to a lower seeded team.

Im sure that Minnesota fans would love to claim that about Garnett. I'm sure that Houston fans would love to claim that about McGrady. Same goes for Cleveland fans (James), Miami fans (Wade), Philly fans (Iverson), Boston fans (Pierce), etc.


Yep. Garnett sucked in his prime.



Dirk exceeded his regular season averages against PHX, averaging 27 points and 11.5 rebounds against Phoenix. Check your facts. Dallas lost that series when Terry allowed Nash a wide open three in game 6. Dirk played great in that series...even winning game 2 on a last second shot to beat PHX in PHX.




A conclusion based on poor research and inadequate information. You are one of the most consistently undereducated posters on the board.
What in the hell does Kevin Garnett have to do with Dirk's dismal playoff record? Dirk has had every opportunity to elevate his game to another level in the playoffs and guide his veteran laden teams to ATLEAST the NBA finals yet has fallen miserably short every year. Even when he played with the league MVP at point guard he got ousted in the first round.

I don't argue that Dirk Nowitzki is solid NBA player. His stats and ability to lead his team deep into the playoffs warrant his place among the second tier of superstars in this league.

Look at these numbers and tell me who should be the MVP:

1) 35.4 pts 5.3. rebs 4.5 assts 1.85 steals
2) 31.4 pts 7.0 rebs 6.6 assts 1.56 steals
3) 26.6 pts 9.0 rebs 2.8 assts 0.72 steals

Which statline does not belong among the three? If you guessed statline three you are correct. He is not in the same class of players as a Kobe Bryant or Lebron James. Not this year, not ever.

If you took Dirk off the Dallas Mavericks they would still win 50 games with the amount of frontline talent that is present on that team. You take Kobe or Lebron of their respective teams and they don't even make the playoffs.

You act as if it is some grave travesty that Dirk will not win the MVP this year when his stats are well below the other MVP candidates. Get over it. He is a solid player but not the MVP. Move on with your life.
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What in the hell does Kevin Garnett have to do with Dirk's dismal playoff record? Dirk has had every opportunity to elevate his game to another level in the playoffs and guide his veteran laden teams to ATLEAST the NBA finals yet has fallen miserably short every year. Even when he played with the league MVP at point guard he got ousted in the first round.

I don't argue that Dirk Nowitzki is solid NBA player. His stats and ability to lead his team deep into the playoffs warrant his place among the second tier of superstars in this league.

Look at these numbers and tell me who should be the MVP:

1) 35.4 pts 5.3. rebs 4.5 assts 1.85 steals
2) 31.4 pts 7.0 rebs 6.6 assts 1.56 steals
3) 26.6 pts 9.0 rebs 2.8 assts 0.72 steals

Which statline does not belong among the three? If you guessed statline three you are correct. He is not in the same class of players as a Kobe Bryant or Lebron James. Not this year, not ever.

If you took Dirk off the Dallas Mavericks they would still win 50 games with the amount of frontline talent that is present on that team. You take Kobe or Lebron of their respective teams and they don't even make the playoffs.

You act as if it is some grave travesty that Dirk will not win the MVP this year when his stats are well below the other MVP candidates. Get over it. He is a solid player but not the MVP. Move on with your life.
How old are you, Gonzo?
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You maximize the strengths of your players. You dont make it to the NBA if you cant manage that. You let your quick point guard beat his man. You let your post men seal defenders off. You let your two-guard draw fouls and shoot free throws. You dont institute the princeton offense and throw the ball around the perimeter. You play from the post out and let your players take advantage of the fact that your dominant post player will be doubled every time he gets it under the free throw line. That's combination play, and not just one on one.



Like...maybe...Phil Jackson?
could popovich have taken kobe/shaq and made them get along? thats phil's secret really. popovich has always had great persons as his HOF talent in david robinson and tim duncan.

as for pop's offense, its still uninnovative. u can argue that because it works its maximizing talent but I dont believe that.

like I said, pop is top 5 currently coaching, he's just not the messiah as he's had a very good core around him the entire time.
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pop has never played without a HOF center arguably the most valuable single player u can possibly have. infact he had two at one point. I'm just saying that the spurs success while admirable is due mostly to their talent than their coach and while its nice that pop is a good person and is winning with it it doesn't mean that he's as good as they say.

like I said, he teaches good fundamental basketball but is overall relatively uninnovative. when he has the talent he can probably beat u, and of course he's a nice person.
So I guess Phil Jackson isnt that good of a coach because he had Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan, Shaq, Kobe and now Kobe again.

Great players make great coaches, but its also due to the coaching they receive.
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What in the hell does Kevin Garnett have to do with Dirk's dismal playoff record? Dirk has had every opportunity to elevate his game to another level in the playoffs and guide his veteran laden teams to ATLEAST the NBA finals yet has fallen miserably short every year. Even when he played with the league MVP at point guard he got ousted in the first round.

I don't argue that Dirk Nowitzki is solid NBA player. His stats and ability to lead his team deep into the playoffs warrant his place among the second tier of superstars in this league.

Look at these numbers and tell me who should be the MVP:

1) 35.4 pts 5.3. rebs 4.5 assts 1.85 steals
2) 31.4 pts 7.0 rebs 6.6 assts 1.56 steals
3) 26.6 pts 9.0 rebs 2.8 assts 0.72 steals

Which statline does not belong among the three? If you guessed statline three you are correct.
He is not in the same class of players as a Kobe Bryant or Lebron James. Not this year, not ever.

If you took Dirk off the Dallas Mavericks they would still win 50 games with the amount of frontline talent that is present on that team. You take Kobe or Lebron of their respective teams and they don't even make the playoffs.

You act as if it is some grave travesty that Dirk will not win the MVP this year when his stats are well below the other MVP candidates. Get over it. He is a solid player but not the MVP. Move on with your life.

That's actually a pretty cut and dry way of looking at it. NOT TO SAY that stats are the only deciding factor, but they are definitely the most prominent
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why is it funny that I'm being flamed? like I said, had I said this about larry brown last year u'd be saying the same thing. some ppl can't look deeper, thats all.
You seriously think you are the being flamed?

You are a riot, a damn riot.

I am enjoying watching RO and Llama fall hook, line and sinker for the lines you and Gonzo are casting out
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So I guess Phil Jackson isnt that good of a coach because he had Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan, Shaq, Kobe and now Kobe again.

Great players make great coaches, but its also due to the coaching they receive.
I agree great players make great coaches. and that to some degree is a criticism of phil jackson. but I think phil has given us a good resume not only of taking this lakers team pretty damn far for having nobodies but also for making great talents play together.

I think the following coaches could be approximately as successful with the spurs:
phil jackson
pat riley
scott skiles
rick carlisle
larry brown
nate mcmillan
flip saunders
rudy tomjonvich(though not now, health)
avery johnson
mike dunleavy

and actually I'd say phil jackson would probably be more successful.

thats about all I got for now.
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You seriously think you are the being flamed?

You are a riot, a damn riot.

I am enjoying watching RO and Llama fall hook, line and sinker for the lines you and Gonzo are casting out
whatever, weirdo.
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The NBA has always been and will always be a players league. There is not enough strategy for it to be a coaches game.
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could popovich have taken kobe/shaq and made them get along? thats phil's secret really. popovich has always had great persons as his HOF talent in david robinson and tim duncan.

as for pop's offense, its still uninnovative. u can argue that because it works its maximizing talent but I dont believe that.

like I said, pop is top 5 currently coaching, he's just not the messiah as he's had a very good core around him the entire time.

Phil Jackson is a good coach. I like Phil, but I dont think that he has anything on Pop. Have you ever considered that Pop might choose to draft/sign/play players with high character and discipline so that they will adhere to the system? Look at the list...Avery Johnson, Robinson, Duncan, Sean Elliot, Ginobili, Parker, Mohammed, Finley, traded Rodman away (as GM), Dominique Wilkins, Mario Elie, etc.
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