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Old 05-20-2011, 06:10 PM   #1
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If facts donít lie, is Mexico safer than the U.S.?


The following article was recently published by Patrick Osio, Editor of Hispanicvista.com. He is the co-founder of TransBorder Communications, Inc. (http://www.transbordercommunications.com/) dedicated to binational economic development. He has been kind enough to let us pass along his findings to you.


If facts donít lie, is Mexico safer than the U.S.?
By Patrick Osio

Here comes Easter break again and young people will be young people Ė high school and college kids will travel to distant places where the drinking age is either less than it is in the U.S. or where authorities donít care to enforce minorsí drinking laws. For several decades Mexico has been one such place of choice where the legal drinking age is 18. Mazatlan, Acapulco, Puerto Vallarta and Cancun were the fly to favorite places and Rosarito Beach and Ensenada the favorite drive to places from Southern California. Ė But not this year, or for that matter neither was it last year.

Our government and the U.S. media have convinced most Americans that Mexico is not a safe place to visit as drug traffickers are fighting it out to see which gang will have the right to sell their illicit drugs to the very group that will not be visiting Mexico. They will have to wait until they return from Easter break to get their Mexican smuggled drugs at home.

But what really struck me was that the preferred country to visit this Easter break in lieu of Mexico is the Dominica. It struck me because Dominica is rated as the number one country with the highest propensity for crime in the world. According to facts gathered by NationMaster.com, their total crime per 1,000 residents (per capita) is 113.822 ĖCompared to the U.S. that is 8th in the world in total crimes at 80.0645 per 1000 residents, making chances of being a victim of a crime in Dominica better than 10%, and slightly less than an 8% chance of being a victim in the U.S.

But here is the real clunker Ė Mexico, the country our government tells us not to visit and the media has a field day reporting any crime be it significant or not to further put the fear of God into staying away from there Ė well, it ranks 39th in total crime in the world with a per capita of slightly less than 13 crimes per 1000 residents that is a 1.3% chance of being a victim of crime in Mexico.

So Mexico is out, Dominica is in, yet the chances of being a crime victim there is greater than in the U.S. and the chances of being a crime victim in the U.S. is greater than in Mexico. But, for our own safety we need to stay out of Mexico.

Have you ever felt like youíre being duped but you canít quite put your finger on why Ė whatís the motive? Is it to keep us from facing some bitter truths? We keep reading how crime is down, how safe we are compared to most other parts of the world. But is it true?

So here are some multiple choice questions for you:

1. Which country has a higher crime rate per 1,000 residents?
a. Mexico, b. Germany, c. Canada, d. U.S.
2. Which country has the highest murders with firearms?
a. Mexico, b. El Salvador, c. U.S.
3. Of the following countries, which has the least number of drug offenses?
a. Germany, b. United Kingdom, c. Canada, d. Switzerland, e. Mexico
4. Which country has the most prisoners?
a. United States, b. China, c. Russia, d. India, e. Mexico
(Answers: 1. d. U.S., 2. c. U.S., 3. e. Mexico, 4. a. U.S.- Source: http://www.nationmaster.com/)

In one of the only bright spots due to its recent gang related murders, Mexico, on a per capita, ranks as more dangerous than the U.S. occupying No. 24 and Mexico No. 6 in the world, but in total number of murders the U.S. is No. 5 and Mexico No. 6.

In fact, much of the crime data per capita 1000 population suggests that in many respects Mexico is safer than the U.S.: in assaults the U.S. ranks No. 6, Mexico No. 20; burglaries the U.S. No. 17, Mexico No. 34; car thefts U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 22; fraud U.S. No. 18, Mexico No. 29; Rape (Canada No.5), U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 17.

No doubt that at the expense of Mexico we are being duped. Is it to hide our insatiable appetite for illicit drugs and cheap labor, and so by pointing the finger of guilt to the biggest supplier of both we exculpate our actions or at minimum pacify our own guilt?

Maybe itís time for ďthe home of the free, and land of the braveĒ to take note.
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Old 05-20-2011, 06:20 PM   #2
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And I wonder how many people in mexico actually report it when they are the victims of a crime...

Or is headless bodies in Juarez just an exception, and not the rule?

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Old 05-20-2011, 06:25 PM   #3
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guess it depends on HOW you want to die.
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Does it figure in illegals commiting crimes in this country? Without those we'd decrease the rates a bit, hit and runs especially.
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Does it figure in illegals commiting crimes in this country? Without those we'd decrease the rates a bit, hit and runs especially.
That is a factor. How much I do not know but I doubt the percentage would be affected all that much
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In 1979, when Northern Ireland was in the grip of sectarian murders, Houston.....same population size....had four times the murder rate.

Facts don't lie.
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Old 05-20-2011, 08:39 PM   #8
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Where are all the hysterical reports warning us not to go to Mexico? I went three times in college. I don't remember being "duped."

They've had some serious drug wars, but that doesn't mean the reported crime rate is higher.
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So here are some multiple choice questions for you:

1. Which country has a higher crime rate per 1,000 residents? a. Mexico, b. Germany, c. Canada, d. U.S.
2. Which country has the highest murders with firearms?
a. Mexico, b. El Salvador, c. U.S.
3. Of the following countries, which has the least number of drug offenses?
a. Germany, b. United Kingdom, c. Canada, d. Switzerland, e. Mexico
4. Which country has the most prisoners?
a. United States, b. China, c. Russia, d. India, e. Mexico
(Answers: 1. d. U.S., 2. c. U.S., 3. e. Mexico, 4. a. U.S.- Source: http://www.nationmaster.com/)
1) Mexican police is as dirty as the crimals, hence none are caught.
2) The Mexican don't fug with guys as they like to remove heads.
3) US has strict drug laws and enforcement, Mexico has none
4) See above
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1) Mexican police is as dirty as the crimals, hence none are caught.
2) The Mexican don't fug with guys as they like to remove heads.
3) US has strict drug laws and enforcement, Mexico has none
4) See above
1) On the local level that is true to a degree, the military not so much. Keep in mind a lot of good cops are being killed in the war.

2) There is a full out war going on don't know how you can make such a blatantly wrong claim.

3) So stupid does not warrant a response.

4) The US has more people in prison per capata than any other country in recorded history.
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Yeah, don't know what source that is, but I trust wikipedia over it.

Crime in Mexico (few selected passages):
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Crime continues at high levels, and is repeatedly marked by violence, especially in Monterrey, Tijuana, Ciudad JuŠrez, Tamaulipas, Michoacan, and the state of Sinaloa. Other metropolitan areas have lower, yet still serious, levels of crime. Low apprehension and conviction rates contribute to the high crime rate.
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Analysis of crime statistics in Mexico indicate that although the crime rate has declined over the last 100 years, there has been a significant upswing within the last two decades led by Mexico City. Since many crimes go unreported, the rates may be much higher than reported by the government.

Rape is rarely reported or punished, owing to old social norms, minor penalties for the crime, and criminal laws. In some rural areas, penalties for rape may consist of a few hours in jail, or minor fines.
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According to the CNDH, only one out of every ten crimes is reported in Mexico; this is due to lack of trust from citizens to the authorities. Furthermore, only one out of 100 reported crimes actually goes to sentencing. This means that one out of every 1000 crimes is punished
I think I'll pass on traveling to Mexico anytime soon.
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Yeah, don't know what source that is, but I trust wikipedia over it.

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I think I'll pass on traveling to Mexico anytime soon.
Suit yourself but you are making that decision based on inaccurate information.
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Suit yourself but you are making that decision based on inaccurate information.
Pot. Kettle.
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Dude I've lived and traveled in Mexico for over 25 years. I'd say I'm in a better position to report on crime in Mexico that you who refuses to even set foot in the country. Just sayin...
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Dude I've lived and traveled in Mexico for over 25 years. I'd say I'm in a better position to report on crime in Mexico that you who refuses to even set foot in the country. Just sayin...
Dude I've lived and traveled in the US for over 37 years. I'd say I'm in a better position to report on crime in the US that you who refuses to even set foot in the country. Just sayin...
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I didn't say it was perfect

Still less violant per capata than the USA

"In fact, much of the crime data per capita 1000 population suggests that in many respects Mexico is safer than the U.S.: in assaults the U.S. ranks No. 6, Mexico No. 20; burglaries the U.S. No. 17, Mexico No. 34; car thefts U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 22; fraud U.S. No. 18, Mexico No. 29; Rape (Canada No.5), U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 17."
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Still less violant per capata than the USA

"In fact, much of the crime data per capita 1000 population suggests that in many respects Mexico is safer than the U.S.: in assaults the U.S. ranks No. 6, Mexico No. 20; burglaries the U.S. No. 17, Mexico No. 34; car thefts U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 22; fraud U.S. No. 18, Mexico No. 29; Rape (Canada No.5), U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 17."
I wonder where our respective countries would rank on accurate censor data, and the actual reporting (or recording) of crime? I volunteer in Guatemala every couple years or so, and I can tell you that a fraction of the rapes get reported due to a strong cultural core of patriarchy.
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I wonder where our respective countries would rank on accurate censor data, and the actual reporting (or recording) of crime? I volunteer in Guatemala every couple years or so, and I can tell you that a fraction of the rapes get reported due to a strong cultural core of patriarchy.
That's true in Mexico too. Rape and spousal abuse is a big problem here. I bet it is highly underreported in the US too.
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I wonder where our respective countries would rank on accurate censor data, and the actual reporting (or recording) of crime? I volunteer in Guatemala every couple years or so, and I can tell you that a fraction of the rapes get reported due to a strong cultural core of patriarchy.
I'm going to guess that most violent crime in Mexico is severely under-reported. Especially when you consider how incredibly corrupt and abusive the police are there. I really doubt most Mexicans have much trust in their legal system to be honest.
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I'm going to guess that most violent crime in Mexico is severely under-reported. Especially when you consider how incredibly corrupt and abusive the police are there. I really doubt most Mexicans have much trust in their legal system to be honest.
That is true but it is changing under president Felipe Calderon.

Mexico has very little debt both public and private. Half the population is under 26 years old. 95% have free health care. Calderon has trimmed much fat from the government. The are building roads all over Mexico like crazy. The middle class has grown by a huge margin. NAFTA has been good for Mexico. In general Mexico's future is bright while as an American I am concerned about the US's future, especially short term.
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I didn't say it was perfect

Still less violant per capata than the USA

"In fact, much of the crime data per capita 1000 population suggests that in many respects Mexico is safer than the U.S.: in assaults the U.S. ranks No. 6, Mexico No. 20; burglaries the U.S. No. 17, Mexico No. 34; car thefts U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 22; fraud U.S. No. 18, Mexico No. 29; Rape (Canada No.5), U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 17."
Multiply Mexican numbers by about 10-20 because of the fact that people dont ****ing report crimes in Mexico. These are REPORTED crimes.

People in America actually report crime, they trust the local authorities, and for the most part, teh government to crack down on crime. People in Mexico do not. Furthermore, a Mexican Drug Cartel gang assaults 10 people in a small village. That's 10 crimes you can bet your ass are NEVER reported. There is no possibility of punishment for that drug cartel. Murder, rape, assault, theft, none of that **** is reported with any consistency in most of Mexico. Maybe in the larger cities where there is some semblance of stability, but certainly not in smaller towns and villages where the local law enforcement is bought and paid for by neighboring drug cartels, gangsters, thugs and just general bad guys.

You are an absolutely ****ing moron if you believe those stats are even remotely accurate. All they give information on is REPORTED crimes. Crime in America is more reported than in **** hole countries where the people have no trust in the authorities to follow up on claims of violence and/or theft.
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Still less violant per capata than the USA

"In fact, much of the crime data per capita 1000 population suggests that in many respects Mexico is safer than the U.S.: in assaults the U.S. ranks No. 6, Mexico No. 20; burglaries the U.S. No. 17, Mexico No. 34; car thefts U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 22; fraud U.S. No. 18, Mexico No. 29; Rape (Canada No.5), U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 17."
Baja, if you were putting the OP as a question, you sure did respond to every one of us that see Mexico as more dangerous. So, even though you put it as a question, you were defending Mexico and not the USA. Meck did nothing wrong to put it in this thread. If you dont like it, don't make these types of threads or do not defend Mexico. Also, illegal aliens do not make crime here "a few percentage points higher" as you stated on the first page. A huge % of jailbirds are illegals in the LA County jail.
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Baja, if you were putting the OP as a question, you sure did respond to every one of us that see Mexico as more dangerous. So, even though you put it as a question, you were defending Mexico and not the USA. Meck did nothing wrong to put it in this thread. If you dont like it, don't make these types of threads or do not defend Mexico. Also, illegal aliens do not make crime here "a few percentage points higher" as you stated on the first page. A huge % of jailbirds are illegals in the LA County jail.
How would you like it if I used 9/11 as an example of violence and danger in America? Some things are off limits. 9/11 and 53 freshly killed innocents are among them. We all know what Meck was doing here. It was about him not about the danger of Mexico. No mention of too bad about the loss of life, just na na na baja I am right and you are wrong. Again what is wrong with you people? I never said I agreed with the article not once. I know what is going on here and it is damn scary but the whole world is scary these days more than ever brfore and it is going to get a lot worse. Time to come together as a people and set the nationalism aside. Can you imagine if I used a fresh case of multiple deaths (say a dirty bomb) in the States as an example to make a case Mexico is safer. You guys seem to have the attitude if it happens some where else it's no big deal. Your wrong.
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How would you like it if I used 9/11 as an example of violence and danger in America? Some things are off limits. 9/11 and 53 freshly killed innocents are among them. We all know what Meck was doing here. It was about him not about the danger of Mexico. No mention of too bad about the loss of life, just na na na baja I am right and you are wrong. Again what is wrong with you people? I never said I agreed with the article not once. I know what is going on here and it is damn scary but the whole world is scary these days more than ever brfore and it is going to get a lot worse. Time to come together as a people and set the nationalism aside. Can you imagine if I used a fresh case of multiple deaths (say a dirty bomb) in the States as an example to make a case Mexico is safer. You guys seem to have the attitude if it happens some where else it's no big deal. Your wrong.
Go ahead and use it. Your violence is from locals. 9-11 was not. We also took care of that, because we care about our citizens... It isn't constantly happening...

Keep trying to save everyone though. You are doing a fantastic job from your bunker in another country...
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