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Old 07-06-2010, 06:52 AM   #1
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A Mexican drug cartel has threatened police officers in Arizona who confiscated a marijuana shipment, prompting the small town department to warn its officers to remain armed and have radios with them at all times, and keep their body armor handy.

Police in Nogales, Arizona, have been told to carry guns at all times.Police and experts believe the warning against the Nogales, Ariz., cops marks the first time that powerful Mexican drug cartels, used to bribing and bullying police south of the border, have targeted U.S. officers.

Jeffrey Kirkham, chief of the Nogales police department, told ABCNews.com that informants had delivered the threats after two off-duty police officers seized 400 pounds of marijuana while horseback riding outside the city earlier this month. The pot was worth about $250,000, he said.

Kirkham said informants have told his police department that off-duty officers should ignore cross-border drug shipments or face retaliation.

The threats appear credible because various informants were able to identify the officers who intercepted the drug load. Kirkham said the threats by Mexican traffickers were the first against local law enforcement on the U.S. side of the border.

"They're getting upset that their product so to speak is not getting to where it needs to be," Kirkham said of the cartels.

The chief said he gave a stern warning of his own to his 63 officers for what to do while they are off duty.

"We met with all the employees and supervisors to make them aware of what was said, and to make sure that they have their body armor and are armed and that their communications equipment is working properly," Kirkham said. Kirkham attributed the surprising threat toMexico's war on the cartels.

"The pressure is on them from the president in Mexico and that desperation is starting to spill over the border," Kirkham told ABCNews.com.

Attacks by Mexican cartels on American law enforcement officers would be an alarming escalation of the Mexican drug wars. Cartel turf wars have killed more than 23,000 people across Mexico since President Felipe Calderon launched a military crackdown on drug gangs in late 2006.

In the neighboring Mexican city of Nogales, attacks on police officers have become commonplace. A deputy police chief in Nogales, Mexico, and his bodyguard were shot dead in March when gunmen in a pickup truck opened fire on them with assault rifles.

In November 2008, the police chief for Sonora state, which includes Nogales, was ambushed and killed just a few miles south of the Arizona border.


more here: http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexican-dru...ry?id=10995661

Anybody else still against the Arizona Law?
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:40 AM   #2
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Once upon a time, back in 1916, there was a guy named Doroteo Arango (aka Pancho Villa) raiding across the border and retreating back into Mexico. Woodrow Wilson sent the Army (Brigadier General Pershing in command) into Mexico in pursuit of Villa with the reluctant agreement of the Mexican president. Sounds great, but the rules of engagement were so restrictive that Pershing's troops were all but hamstrung.

I hear that history repeats itself. Something to think about?
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:53 AM   #3
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A Mexican drug cartel has threatened police officers in Arizona who confiscated a marijuana shipment, prompting the small town department to warn its officers to remain armed and have radios with them at all times, and keep their body armor handy.

Police in Nogales, Arizona, have been told to carry guns at all times.Police and experts believe the warning against the Nogales, Ariz., cops marks the first time that powerful Mexican drug cartels, used to bribing and bullying police south of the border, have targeted U.S. officers.

Jeffrey Kirkham, chief of the Nogales police department, told ABCNews.com that informants had delivered the threats after two off-duty police officers seized 400 pounds of marijuana while horseback riding outside the city earlier this month. The pot was worth about $250,000, he said.

Kirkham said informants have told his police department that off-duty officers should ignore cross-border drug shipments or face retaliation.

The threats appear credible because various informants were able to identify the officers who intercepted the drug load. Kirkham said the threats by Mexican traffickers were the first against local law enforcement on the U.S. side of the border.

"They're getting upset that their product so to speak is not getting to where it needs to be," Kirkham said of the cartels.

The chief said he gave a stern warning of his own to his 63 officers for what to do while they are off duty.

"We met with all the employees and supervisors to make them aware of what was said, and to make sure that they have their body armor and are armed and that their communications equipment is working properly," Kirkham said. Kirkham attributed the surprising threat toMexico's war on the cartels.

"The pressure is on them from the president in Mexico and that desperation is starting to spill over the border," Kirkham told ABCNews.com.

Attacks by Mexican cartels on American law enforcement officers would be an alarming escalation of the Mexican drug wars. Cartel turf wars have killed more than 23,000 people across Mexico since President Felipe Calderon launched a military crackdown on drug gangs in late 2006.

In the neighboring Mexican city of Nogales, attacks on police officers have become commonplace. A deputy police chief in Nogales, Mexico, and his bodyguard were shot dead in March when gunmen in a pickup truck opened fire on them with assault rifles.

In November 2008, the police chief for Sonora state, which includes Nogales, was ambushed and killed just a few miles south of the Arizona border.


more here: http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexican-dru...ry?id=10995661

Anybody else still against the Arizona Law?
You can get rid of all the illegal immigrants here in the US and it isn't going to stop something like this. There are plenty of American citizens willing to take that product and if stopped by the police, the cartel would be just as pissed. It's time for a little reenforcement down there.
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You can get rid of all the illegal immigrants here in the US and it isn't going to stop something like this. There are plenty of American citizens willing to take that product and if stopped by the police, the cartel would be just as pissed. It's time for a little reenforcement down there.
This. The Arizona law doesn't JUST affect drug lords; in fact it would barely phase them.

Cop: "Can I see your papers please? I think you might be illegal."
Drug lord: /fires gun

You're right. The Arizona law would TOTALLY take care of these things.
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This. The Arizona law doesn't JUST affect drug lords; in fact it would barely phase them.

Cop: "Can I see your papers please? I think you might be illegal."
Drug lord: /fires gun

You're right. The Arizona law would TOTALLY take care of these things.
Strawman. The law wasn't enacted to deal with this and never has been represented as such.

Taking a pot shot at the 1070 because it doesn't solve the drug cartel problem or cure cancer is kinda cheap, really.
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Strawman. The law wasn't enacted to deal with this and never has been represented as such.

Taking a pot shot at the 1070 because it doesn't solve the drug cartel problem or cure cancer is kinda cheap, really.
Actually it was the OP who made the first attempt to link the drug cartels to 1070. Subsequent posters are pointing out (in apparent agreement with you) that there is no connection and the Arizona law was enacted for different reasons (illegal immigration; not drug cartels).
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Strawman. The law wasn't enacted to deal with this and never has been represented as such.

Taking a pot shot at the 1070 because it doesn't solve the drug cartel problem or cure cancer is kinda cheap, really.
Strawman? That's the EXACT argument that was made by the OP. It assumes that people are still against 1070 and that it has anything to do with THIS STORY.

Tell it to the guy who posted the story, then asked how anyone can still be against the Arizona law.
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What does this have to do with the Arizona law?

The Arizona law targets those who police suspect are not from the United States. Even with strict immigration controls, these drug cartels would exist because of high demand for drugs from the United States.

Hoping that random checks on citizens will reduce the number of Mexican drug operatives in the US is a pipe dream.

Closing the border, getting more national guard resources to the border or reducing the ridiculous demand for drugs from the United States is the answer to fight these powerful drug cartels, not randomly asking people for their papers.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:58 AM   #9
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This is why they have Delta Force right? send them to Mexico and let them do their ****, a few more dead drug dealers in dumpsters wouldn't be suspecious.
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Illegal immigrants aren't making people smoke pot.
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Illegal immigrants aren't making people smoke pot.
Also they grow somuch in calif im surprised they even need to smuggle anymore.

My area got smart, made it legal, sort of, but now wants to make these crazy taxes. They want shops to pay income tax, a 10 thousand a yr permit fee, and 15% right off the top each month of the gross income. the gross!!!

DO that and you create a huge black market and nothing changes. Ou govt will never learn. You have to make drugs legal, and tax low, get rid of all black markets for it to work.
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Also they grow somuch in calif im surprised they even need to smuggle anymore.

My area got smart, made it legal, sort of, but now wants to make these crazy taxes. They want shops to pay income tax, a 10 thousand a yr permit fee, and 15% right off the top each month of the gross income. the gross!!!

DO that and you create a huge black market and nothing changes. Ou govt will never learn. You have to make drugs legal, and tax low, get rid of all black markets for it to work.
Like the low tax percentage on Liquor, cigarettes and gasoline Buy a vowel Vanna
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My area got smart, made it legal, sort of, but now wants to make these crazy taxes. They want shops to pay income tax, a 10 thousand a yr permit fee, and 15% right off the top each month of the gross income. the gross!!!

DO that and you create a huge black market and nothing changes. Ou govt will never learn. You have to make drugs legal, and tax low, get rid of all black markets for it to work.
No I think that's smart. Legalize it and tax the snot out of it. It will generate jobs, hurt the drug lords, reduce spending on border patrols and create income. That's basically what they do with Tobacco and it's still profitable and people aren't selling illegal tobacco at any real substantive level.
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That's basically what they do with Tobacco and it's still profitable and people aren't selling illegal tobacco at any real substantive level.
up here in ontario where the governemnt truely taxes the hell out of things, a pack of smokes is over 10 bucks, but you can get a bag of contraband rollies on the reserve for 20 bucks, one bag is equal to 200 smokes or a carton.

recently they did a study and found that 33% of butts outside the ontario legeslature, and 25% of butts outside the supremem court of canada are contraband native smokes.

thats a substantive level if you ask me.
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No I think that's smart. Legalize it and tax the snot out of it. It will generate jobs, hurt the drug lords, reduce spending on border patrols and create income. That's basically what they do with Tobacco and it's still profitable and people aren't selling illegal tobacco at any real substantive level.
The Pot growers in California are the biggest supporters to keep it illegal.
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No I think that's smart. Legalize it and tax the snot out of it. It will generate jobs, hurt the drug lords, reduce spending on border patrols and create income. That's basically what they do with Tobacco and it's still profitable and people aren't selling illegal tobacco at any real substantive level.
but its legal under the guise its medical. The law has always been no tax on pharmacuticals.
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Shut up dude, you don't know what you're talking about. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. Pot is inherently evil as are those that grow and sell it.
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This is why they have Delta Force right? send them to Mexico and let them do their ****, a few more dead drug dealers in dumpsters wouldn't be suspecious.
That is old school. Now they just behead the guys. I have yet to hear our President Obama say anything on this. This is the type of news you use to get the National Guard and more border patrol in the area. Mexico needs us to do more undercover work in Mexico on our terms (since Mexico is so damn corrupt). Cutting off the fingers is fine but more effective would be to go for the throat.
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That is old school. Now they just behead the guys. I have yet to hear our President Obama say anything on this. This is the type of news you use to get the National Guard and more border patrol in the area. Mexico needs us to do more undercover work in Mexico on our terms (since Mexico is so damn corrupt). Cutting off the fingers is fine but more effective would be to go for the throat.
Let's give them some credit. Men have had families shot because they aren't taking payoffs and fighting them. The President of Mexico has fought them hard. It's just the billions from drug trade is hard to fight. They have gone for the throat which is why the criminals are desperate right now.
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Let's give them some credit. Men have had families shot because they aren't taking payoffs and fighting them. The President of Mexico has fought them hard. It's just the billions from drug trade is hard to fight. They have gone for the throat which is why the criminals are desperate right now.
Clearly the depression is hurting all business including the drug business.
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Clearly the depression is hurting all business including the drug business.
the profit margin so high though they will survive just fine. Probably if anything the war is about less money to pay off police and govt. So now they have to fight them more with violence.
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Eventually I could see US troops in Mexico. Still probably 3-5 yrs away but eventually.
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Eventually I could see US troops in Mexico. Still probably 3-5 yrs away but eventually.
I love it when you come up with these time lines, does it hurt when you pull them out of your ass?
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Nope - it would lose the president willing the latino vote. That's exactly why nothing is being done today or has been done for years and years. I imagine that vote is worth some dead americans in the candidates eyes.
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Nope - it would lose the president willing the latino vote. That's exactly why nothing is being done today or has been done for years and years. I imagine that vote is worth some dead americans in the candidates eyes.

Voting Latinos are the group most opposed to illegals being here.

The real and only reason nothing is being done is because the puppet masters (big Bus) do not want to lose the endless supply of cheap labor that they can abuse and discard.
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