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Old 09-04-2009, 10:54 AM   #1
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Seriously, wtf are you McD haters complaining about? Shanahan won a single playoff game in the last 10 years and you guys act like he was gods gift to football and that Josh can do nothing right. I loved Shanahan as much as the next guy but once I stepped back and looked at the whole picture, good god, Bowlen was right to fire him. 1 playoff win in a 10 year span is so ridiculously bad it's not even funny. Most other coaches would have been long gone before Mike was let go. Yup, he won a few superbowls very early and I think that's what earned him that precious extra time but I don't see how anybody could say he should have stayed with that kind of drought.

So when Josh comes in here to try to change things up a bit, guys here are acting like we have been a winning team or something and what he's doing is hurting our chances for the future. Oh, you mean like winning a single playoff game in 10 years kinda future? Please, get some F'n perspective of the last 10 years and give it a rest. You're not willing to give Josh a few years before you evaluate him but you were willing to give Mike a 10 year free ride. It's NFL insanity is what it is.
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Old 09-04-2009, 10:55 AM   #2
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Old 09-04-2009, 10:57 AM   #4
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I can only speak for myself, but I believe that Shanahan had us on track to be a dominant force in the NFL. I know that people don't agree with me, and that's ok with me. Their disagreement does nothing to distract me from where I believed Shanahan was headed.
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The first thing you need to realize is not everyone is sayong we didn't need changes just because they don't like mcdaniels.

I do not know why but this country has gotten on this kick lately that any change is good. That is dumb. Yes, stuff can need to be changed. That stuff still needs the correct changes. You can't just make any change and say its for the better just because it isn't what was here before.
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I can only speak for myself, but I believe that Shanahan had us on track to be a dominant force in the NFL. I know that people don't agree with me, and that's ok with me. Their disagreement does nothing to distract me from where I believed Shanahan was headed.
We just had to give him another DECADE, and we would have been the first team to win 5 Lombardies in a row.
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I can only speak for myself, but I believe that Shanahan had us on track to be a dominant force in the NFL. I know that people don't agree with me, and that's ok with me. Their disagreement does nothing to distract me from where I believed Shanahan was headed.
I know SSJ more or less agrees with that as well.
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Old 09-04-2009, 02:07 PM   #11
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I know SSJ more or less agrees with that as well.
I agree too. I'm not sure he had the defense in hand, but .... there were at least two ways for Bowlen to handle that w/o firing Shanny, nor was I happy with T. Henry.
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I can only speak for myself, but I believe that Shanahan had us on track to be a dominant force in the NFL. I know that people don't agree with me, and that's ok with me. Their disagreement does nothing to distract me from where I believed Shanahan was headed.
he might have had the offense on track to possibly become dominant(although the ton of yards with no points to show was getting old)

but that defense was on its way to becoming the worst ever seen.
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Old 09-04-2009, 06:15 PM   #13
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he might have had the offense on track to possibly become dominant(although the ton of yards with no points to show was getting old)

but that defense was on its way to becoming the worst ever seen.
I know right. Everytime the Broncos defense was on the field it was like watching a train wreck over and over again.
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Old 09-04-2009, 07:39 PM   #14
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he might have had the offense on track to possibly become dominant(although the ton of yards with no points to show was getting old)

but that defense was on its way to becoming the worst ever seen.
Check this out, lex posted it in a thread about the 53 man roster/last preseason game and it really got me thinking to see it like this. These are our impact draft selections, 96-05:

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1996	1	15	John Mobley	OLB	Kutztown		Def
	2	44	Tory James	DB	Louisiana State		Def
	3	65	Detron Smith	RB	Texas A&M	
	3	78	Mark Campbell	DT	Florida	Def

1997	1	28	Trevor Pryce	DT	Clemson	Def


1998	1	30	Marcus Nash	WR	Tennessee	
	2	61	Eric Brown	SS	Mississippi State	Def
	3	91	Brian Griese	QB	Michigan	


1999	1	31	Al Wilson	MLB	Tennessee		Def
	2	58	Montae Reagor	DE	Texas Tech		Def
	2	61	Lennie Friedman	C	Duke	
	3	67	Chris Watson	CB	Eastern Illinois	Def
	3	93	Travis McGriff	WR	Florida	

2000	1	15	Deltha O'Neal	CB	California		Def
	2	40	Ian Gold	LB	Michigan		Def
	2	45	Kenoy Kennedy	SAF	Arkansas		Def
	3	70	Chris Cole	WR	Texas A&M	

2001	1	24	Willie Middlebrooks	CB	Minnesota	Def
	2	51	Paul Toviessi	DE	Marshall		Def
	3	87	Reggie Hayward	DE	Iowa State		Def


2002	1	19	Ashley Lelie	WR	Hawaii	
	2	51	Clinton Portis	RB	Miami (Fla.)	
	3	96	Dorsett Davis	DT	Mississippi State	Def

2003	1	20	George Foster	T	Georgia	
	2	51	Terry Pierce	LB	Kansas State		Def


2004	1	17	D.J. Williams	OLB	Miami (Fla.)		Def
	2	41	Tatum Bell	RB	Oklahoma State	
	2	54	Darius Watts	WR	Marshall	
	3	85	Jeremy LeSueur	CB	Michigan		Def


2005	2	56	Darrent Williams	CB	Oklahoma State	Def
	3	76	Karl Paymah	DB	Washington State	Def
	3	97	Domonique Foxworth	CB	Maryland	Def
	3	101	Maurice Clarett	--	Ohio State	

		# players	33		Def	21

...and they certainly made a profound impact on the team.
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Check this out, lex posted it in a thread about the 53 man roster/last preseason game and it really got me thinking to see it like this. These are our impact draft selections, 96-05:




...and they certainly made a profound impact on the team.
I wish we still had Reggie Heyward.
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Check this out, lex posted it in a thread about the 53 man roster/last preseason game and it really got me thinking to see it like this. These are our impact draft selections, 96-05:




...and they certainly made a profound impact on the team.
R u f'ing kidding me?!? This is a joke, right? You're telling me that everyone on this list "made a PROFOUND impact on the team"

Marcus Nash?
Friedman?
McGriff?
O'Neal?
Cole?
Middlebrooks?
Tovessi?
Lelie?
Dorsett Davis?
George Foster?
Tatum "Tinker" Bell?
Darius Watts?
Jeremy LeSeur?
Clarett?

Really? Profound impacts?? Please tell me you're joking, or that I slept through those years, or that you were being sarcastic.......please.
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I can only speak for myself, but I believe that Shanahan had us on track to be a dominant force in the NFL. I know that people don't agree with me, and that's ok with me. Their disagreement does nothing to distract me from where I believed Shanahan was headed.
He was headed for a dominating O fallowed by a devestating D. Funny how much better our D has looked so far this pre-season over the past 2 years!
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I can only speak for myself, but I believe that Shanahan had us on track to be a dominant force in the NFL. I know that people don't agree with me, and that's ok with me. Their disagreement does nothing to distract me from where I believed Shanahan was headed.

He was definitely building an incredible Offense.
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He was definitely building an incredible Offense.
Do you think it's harder to build a good offense or a good defense?
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Do you think it's harder to build a good offense or a good defense?
The hardest thing to do is build both there has to be a happy medium

If only Shanny would've sent Slowick packing
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I'm going to say D. NFL rules favor the O, and I think there is more teamwork involved in a successful D.
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I think the league has substantially changed this question. The NFL rules play a larger part in this equation every year it seems.
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Do you think it's harder to build a good offense or a good defense?
The object is always to build a good overall team in all three phases plus the fourth phase - the coaching staff. That's how you win playoff games consistently.

Shanny hadn't been able to do that since 1998, and since he hadn't been able to do that for 10 years I was skeptical he would be able to do it in the next few years.
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I can only speak for myself, but I believe that Shanahan had us on track to be a dominant force in the NFL. I know that people don't agree with me, and that's ok with me. Their disagreement does nothing to distract me from where I believed Shanahan was headed.
I thought Shanahan had lost his focus. He was a substantial coach but something was missing. I think the Broncos would have been better off to have kept him. I think the Broncos could have turned it around.

McD has taken more hits than any coach in Broncos history and he hasn't even coached a regular season game. McD would have to win at least ten games this year to have any chance at respect from the fan base at large. I personally don't think he will even see eight.

People don't like change so if it is change they don't understand they hate you, quit on you, or make any leadership decision you make look bad.
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I can only speak for myself, but I believe that Shanahan had us on track to be a dominant force in the NFL. I know that people don't agree with me, and that's ok with me. Their disagreement does nothing to distract me from where I believed Shanahan was headed.
Ok, explain to us what track to being a dominant force that we were on? It'll be interesting to hear this, please, tell us how we were heading in the right direction. And before you answer would you agree that for a team to be a dominant force that all three phases of the game (Offense, Defense, Special Teams) need to be at least average?
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