My proposed College football plan - The Orange Mane

FADERPROOF · 12-13-2003, 04:30 PM

Alright, this might be long but I've given this some thought and obviously, the format of college football needs to change. The BCS will not be perfect, as this year shows, but college football in general can do a few things here and there so help with the accuracy of the BCS.

*This propsal by me will go into effect once the ACC gains the Big East exodus.

The major thing that needs to be changed, and everyone here probably agrees about this is, are the conference championships. The Big 12, SEC, and new ACC will all have conference championships, while Big 10, Pac-10, and Big East all do not. This is a problem, because the regular season winner of conferences that do not have championships gets the auto-bid to the BCS bowls, while conference championship teams have to play for the title and the winner goes to the BCS bowls. So here comes my first proposal:

1.) Get rid of the Big East as an automatic bid.

Miami and Virginia Tech are the only two schools that are good enough nationally to be in a BCS bowl, and both are leaving for the ACC. Pittsburgh and West Virginia have now become the class of this conference, and neither team is in the top 20. The Big East is not a major conference anymore with the exodus of their power schools, conferences like the MAC are going to be a better and more competitive conference, and taking away a BCS bowl spot from a deserving team would not be the correct route to take.

that leads into rule 2:

2.) The BCS bowl spot vacated by the Big East will now become an at-large bid:

Currently in the top 10 are 4 teams that did not win their conference this year: Ohio State, Tennessee, Texas, and Georgia. All teams have good followings, travel well, and are on the national scale in terms of prestige and would make the BCS games more competitive. These teams would give the BCS a better showcase than having the Big East or any other conference get that auto-bid by winning their conference.

And here's the BIG rule:

3.) ALL conferences that receive an automatic BCS bowl for their champions MUST have a conference championship game:

The playing field is all level now with every conference getting a championship game to determine which team will get a BCS bowl bid for that conference. The tricky part would be that in order to have a conference championship game, all conference must have 12 teams, which the Pac-10 and Big 10 do not.

So, let's start with the Big 10 and their revision. Now, they call it the Big 10, but there are 11 teams so there only needs to be one more added team to the conference in order for them to start playing a championship game.

That 12th team will be : Pittsburgh Panthers. Pittsburgh have gained a lot of national attention over the past few years and have been on the rise as a power team, this year they are showcased due to sopohmore WR and Heisman hopeful, Larry Fitzgerald. Pittsburgh looks to be on the national scla,e and with the competition of the Big East, they need to move to a major conference in order for them to gain the National status that they'd like to acquire.

Now, there needs to be 2 seperate divisions, as the Big 10 will seperate them according to the East-West geography.

West division: Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Purdue, Northwestern and Iowa.

East Division: Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State and the newly acquire Pittsburgh.

Only question that I can see about this proposal is, why Pittsburgh and no Notre Dame? Let's be real, first off the Notre Dame power has been erased, as Pitt is the better team nowadays. Also, Notre Dame is not going to join a conference strictly for money reasons. ND has toyed with the Big East and Big 10 for years now about joining, if they were really thinking about that idea then they would've joined already.

Ok, so we have the Big 10 figured out, the harder task would be the Pac-10, which needs two teams to join instead of only one.

My two proposed teams are: Fresno State Bulldogs and Boise State Broncos. Fresno makes sense due to loacation, being from California where most of the Pac-10 teams are from. Fresno got a lot of attention 2 years ago with QB David Carr, and joining a major conference could push the Bulldogs further up the national scale. Boise State is now nationally ranked in the top 25 and would be beneficial to join a major conference now to gain the respect that this team deserves. With these two new teams added the Pac-10, the divisions will be seperated by North and South divisions.

North division: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, and newly acquired Boise State.

South division: USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, California, andnewly acquired Fresno State.

These division seperation work out well, keeping rivalries like Wash-WSU, oregon-OSU, USC-UCLA together along with having a big conference championship. The team selections work out for the better, as UNLV is the only other team that I can think of that could join the Pac-10 and I'm much happier seeing Boise and Fresno in this conference instead.

Hypothetically speaking, had this gone down this year, the Big 10 would've had Michigan as the East representitive vs. the West rep. Purdue, and the Pac-10 would've had South rep. USC vs. West rep. Washington State, and to me those look like two very good match-ups to add to championship Saturday.

So that is my proposal and what should be done to make the playing level more fair, and hopefully help ou the current BCS format.

What does everyone think of this proposal, and is there anything you agree/disagree with or anything that could make this proposal better? Opinions are more than welcome, I'd like to hear what everyone has to say about this.

Elevation 5280' · 12-14-2003, 10:12 PM

I like it....but there is a simpler way.

I think they could just leave it as it is, play the Bowl games, and then take the top 4 teams after the Bowls have played out and have a playoff.

FADERPROOF · 12-15-2003, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elevation 5280'
I like it....but there is a simpler way.

I think they could just leave it as it is, play the Bowl games, and then take the top 4 teams after the Bowls have played out and have a playoff.

**** the playoffs, wait til theres a 1st round upset, more controversy will fire up moreso than the BCS controversy this year.

Besides, your proposal has them playing clear into conference basketball games.

Elevation 5280' · 12-15-2003, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DenFan38

**** the playoffs, wait til theres a 1st round upset, more controversy will fire up moreso than the BCS controversy this year.

Besides, your proposal has them playing clear into conference basketball games.

1st round upset? What is a playoff for? If there is an upset, then that team was better that day....just like the NFL. Just adds to the excitement IMO. I just don't get why an upset would be a bad thing.

And as far as extending the schedule into the conference b-ball season....it already is. I don't think it's going to hurt to extend the season for what, 3 games? 2 weeks?

FADERPROOF · 12-15-2003, 02:17 PM

It might, because now college football is treading into NFL playoff territory, where games are played on both Saturday and Sunday.

As exciting and great as Bowls are, I don't think the NCAA wants to go head-up with the NFL playoffs.

Arkie · 12-29-2003, 12:32 PM

Here's another solution: Great for Bowls and Playoffs

Have a 16 team playoff that starts the 2nd weekend in December (the 1st weekend is for conference championships.) Every conference champ gets an automatic bid just like college basketball. That leaves 4 or 5 at large bids. Oklahoma would have gotten an at-large bid this year. Then a selection committee seeds the teams. The first playoff round is played at the higher seed's home stadium. Skip a week for finals. The 8 losers go to lesser bowls (an early upset would land Oklahoma in a lesser Bowl) while the 8 winners go to the big bowls. The 8 winners are still playing out the bracket in the Bowl setting. This begins the last weekend in December and extends into the 2nd weekend in January. The Bowls bid for the rights each year for a particular game.

Elevation 5280' · 12-29-2003, 08:28 PM

Sounds good.....but where does the BCS fit in? Do we still use it to rank teams? I think you need to keep it.......it's better than coaches or writers being the sole arbiters of ranking teams.

Arkie · 12-31-2003, 12:40 AM

The BCS could be used to determine the 4 or 5 at-large teams and the seeding of the playoffs.

The semifinals and championship game could be shown on a weeknight during primetime hours. It won't compete with the NFL. The national championship is usually on a random week night anyway.

12-13-2003, 04:30 PM	#1
FADERPROOF Bucknuts Colossus Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Eastlake OH Posts: 17,338	My proposed College football plan Alright, this might be long but I've given this some thought and obviously, the format of college football needs to change. The BCS will not be perfect, as this year shows, but college football in general can do a few things here and there so help with the accuracy of the BCS. *This propsal by me will go into effect once the ACC gains the Big East exodus. The major thing that needs to be changed, and everyone here probably agrees about this is, are the conference championships. The Big 12, SEC, and new ACC will all have conference championships, while Big 10, Pac-10, and Big East all do not. This is a problem, because the regular season winner of conferences that do not have championships gets the auto-bid to the BCS bowls, while conference championship teams have to play for the title and the winner goes to the BCS bowls. So here comes my first proposal: 1.) Get rid of the Big East as an automatic bid. Miami and Virginia Tech are the only two schools that are good enough nationally to be in a BCS bowl, and both are leaving for the ACC. Pittsburgh and West Virginia have now become the class of this conference, and neither team is in the top 20. The Big East is not a major conference anymore with the exodus of their power schools, conferences like the MAC are going to be a better and more competitive conference, and taking away a BCS bowl spot from a deserving team would not be the correct route to take. that leads into rule 2: 2.) The BCS bowl spot vacated by the Big East will now become an at-large bid: Currently in the top 10 are 4 teams that did not win their conference this year: Ohio State, Tennessee, Texas, and Georgia. All teams have good followings, travel well, and are on the national scale in terms of prestige and would make the BCS games more competitive. These teams would give the BCS a better showcase than having the Big East or any other conference get that auto-bid by winning their conference. And here's the BIG rule: 3.) ALL conferences that receive an automatic BCS bowl for their champions MUST have a conference championship game: The playing field is all level now with every conference getting a championship game to determine which team will get a BCS bowl bid for that conference. The tricky part would be that in order to have a conference championship game, all conference must have 12 teams, which the Pac-10 and Big 10 do not. So, let's start with the Big 10 and their revision. Now, they call it the Big 10, but there are 11 teams so there only needs to be one more added team to the conference in order for them to start playing a championship game. That 12th team will be : Pittsburgh Panthers. Pittsburgh have gained a lot of national attention over the past few years and have been on the rise as a power team, this year they are showcased due to sopohmore WR and Heisman hopeful, Larry Fitzgerald. Pittsburgh looks to be on the national scla,e and with the competition of the Big East, they need to move to a major conference in order for them to gain the National status that they'd like to acquire. Now, there needs to be 2 seperate divisions, as the Big 10 will seperate them according to the East-West geography. West division: Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Purdue, Northwestern and Iowa. East Division: Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State and the newly acquire Pittsburgh. Only question that I can see about this proposal is, why Pittsburgh and no Notre Dame? Let's be real, first off the Notre Dame power has been erased, as Pitt is the better team nowadays. Also, Notre Dame is not going to join a conference strictly for money reasons. ND has toyed with the Big East and Big 10 for years now about joining, if they were really thinking about that idea then they would've joined already. Ok, so we have the Big 10 figured out, the harder task would be the Pac-10, which needs two teams to join instead of only one. My two proposed teams are: Fresno State Bulldogs and Boise State Broncos. Fresno makes sense due to loacation, being from California where most of the Pac-10 teams are from. Fresno got a lot of attention 2 years ago with QB David Carr, and joining a major conference could push the Bulldogs further up the national scale. Boise State is now nationally ranked in the top 25 and would be beneficial to join a major conference now to gain the respect that this team deserves. With these two new teams added the Pac-10, the divisions will be seperated by North and South divisions. North division: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, and newly acquired Boise State. South division: USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, California, andnewly acquired Fresno State. These division seperation work out well, keeping rivalries like Wash-WSU, oregon-OSU, USC-UCLA together along with having a big conference championship. The team selections work out for the better, as UNLV is the only other team that I can think of that could join the Pac-10 and I'm much happier seeing Boise and Fresno in this conference instead. Hypothetically speaking, had this gone down this year, the Big 10 would've had Michigan as the East representitive vs. the West rep. Purdue, and the Pac-10 would've had South rep. USC vs. West rep. Washington State, and to me those look like two very good match-ups to add to championship Saturday. So that is my proposal and what should be done to make the playing level more fair, and hopefully help ou the current BCS format. What does everyone think of this proposal, and is there anything you agree/disagree with or anything that could make this proposal better? Opinions are more than welcome, I'd like to hear what everyone has to say about this.

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12-14-2003, 10:12 PM	#2
Elevation 5280' Perennial Pro-bowler I'm Watching You.... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 782	I like it....but there is a simpler way. I think they could just leave it as it is, play the Bowl games, and then take the top 4 teams after the Bowls have played out and have a playoff.

12-15-2003, 02:17 PM	#5
FADERPROOF Bucknuts Colossus Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Eastlake OH Posts: 17,338	It might, because now college football is treading into NFL playoff territory, where games are played on both Saturday and Sunday. As exciting and great as Bowls are, I don't think the NCAA wants to go head-up with the NFL playoffs.

12-29-2003, 12:32 PM	#6
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,082 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	Here's another solution: Great for Bowls and Playoffs Have a 16 team playoff that starts the 2nd weekend in December (the 1st weekend is for conference championships.) Every conference champ gets an automatic bid just like college basketball. That leaves 4 or 5 at large bids. Oklahoma would have gotten an at-large bid this year. Then a selection committee seeds the teams. The first playoff round is played at the higher seed's home stadium. Skip a week for finals. The 8 losers go to lesser bowls (an early upset would land Oklahoma in a lesser Bowl) while the 8 winners go to the big bowls. The 8 winners are still playing out the bracket in the Bowl setting. This begins the last weekend in December and extends into the 2nd weekend in January. The Bowls bid for the rights each year for a particular game.

12-29-2003, 08:28 PM	#7
Elevation 5280' Perennial Pro-bowler I'm Watching You.... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 782	Sounds good.....but where does the BCS fit in? Do we still use it to rank teams? I think you need to keep it.......it's better than coaches or writers being the sole arbiters of ranking teams.

12-31-2003, 12:40 AM	#8
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,082 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	The BCS could be used to determine the 4 or 5 at-large teams and the seeding of the playoffs. The semifinals and championship game could be shown on a weeknight during primetime hours. It won't compete with the NFL. The national championship is usually on a random week night anyway.