Adam Schein takes his shot

[TheReverend]

3. Try again, Josh

I've never seen a head coach foul up a situation more than what Denver's Josh McDaniels did with Jay Cutler.


But he still can make it right, if he stops reading Eric Mangini's notes from the Bill Belichick playbook.

To me, McDaniels had one move. The new Denver coach had to sit in a room with Cutler over the weekend and simply tell him that yes, he tried to trade for Matt Cassel. But then he needed to say he was wrong, sorry, and they need to win Super Bowls together.

Telling the franchise quarterback that he will always look to improve the club was not the play.

McDaniels needed to tell Cutler he was his guy, let's grab a coffee, and draw plays together.

Instead, the neophyte coach botched the situation. Badly.

Cutler wants out, demanding a trade. He's a young star who hasn't reached his full potential. McDaniels, a quarterback guru, was hired to maximize him.

There is absolutely no deal Denver can make where the Broncos come out on top. And for that, you solely blame McDaniels.

Which is why, and maybe I am the last person on the planet who believes this, McDaniels needs to realize the seriousness of the situation, call Cutler into his office and read from my script above.

Make Cutler feel wanted. Do it today. It's only your job at stake.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9348204/Schein's-Nine:-Belichick-piecing-together-title-team

[SoCalBronco]

Very good insight by Adam Schein, as usual.

[lex]

Yeah, he and Solomon Wilcots are in lock-step on this...have been the whole time. Its a really good time to have Sirius. Most of the talking heads on E!SPN are fawning over all things patriots.

[broncofan]

Originally Posted by lex

Yeah, he and Solomon Wilcots are in lock-step on this...have been the whole time. Its a really good time to have Sirius. Most of the talking heads on E!SPN are fawning over all things patriots.

Agreed.

I tend to agree with Schein's take almost all the time, so it's hard not to like their show...plus it's extremely entertaining, especially for a radio show. Regardless of who's fault it is, as the coach, McDaniels should be making the effort to reach out first. If Cutler/Cook continue to play hard ball so be it, but McD is making it very easy for them to do so and play it off as the victims. They need to lock Cutler into an extension.

[broncswin]

I have stated in many threads that I feel cutler needs to suck it up and quit puss* footin around, but I do feel that McD must and I say must sit down with Cutler and make nice!!

[MechanicalBull]

Originally Posted by broncswin

I have stated in many threads that I feel cutler needs to suck it up and quit puss* footin around, but I do feel that McD must and I say must sit down with Cutler and make nice!!

I've been staying out of this whole mess, but didn't Josh want that but Cutler said he wouldn't do it without Bus Cook being there which led to Xanders joining in?

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by MechanicalBull

I've been staying out of this whole mess, but didn't Josh want that but Cutler said he wouldn't do it without Bus Cook being there which led to Xanders joining in?

Yes.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Yes.

Wasn't there a meeting before that held by Bowlen, Ellis, Xanders, and McD? I've read that, doesn't make it true though.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Wasn't there a meeting before that held by Bowlen, Ellis, Xanders, and McD? I've read that, doesn't make it true though.

There's been talk about it, but other reports have Jay out of town when that meeting was supposed to have taken place.
The one we are sure about was the most recent, when McDdaniels and Jay were supposed to meet face to face.
That's the meeting that Jay insisted his agent attend.....requiring Xanders to attend also.

This entire situation is so messy and cloudy, I'm surprised the Broncos organization hasn't provided a time line and description of the events.
That would end a lot of speculation and cut down on a lot of repetitive threads.

Of course, Jay and his agent will have a very different version. So maybe not.

[chaz]

yup...there's only really one play for the Broncos if winning is truly what's most important

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by chaz

yup...there's only really one play for the Broncos if winning is truly what's most important

Indeed. It's called an extension.

[HEAV]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Indeed. It's called an extension.

For what?! Being a baby?! Missing his daddy Shanny?!

Bull****. Giving Jay money is the wrong thing. He's got a deal and he should honor it.

If Jay get's a new and act's all happy then it's proof that he wasn't pissed or hurt.It wasn't about feelings, respect and all the other BS he has thrown out there in the media.

It was all about money.

[baja]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Indeed. It's called an extension.

NO TO EXTENSION

That would set McDaniels and the Broncos back for years

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by baja

NO TO EXTENSION

That would set McDaniels and the Broncos back for years

Explain. What are your specific objections to an extension. I have already addressed the issue of "well, this would make it hard for McDaniels to govern because he would lose respect in the lockerroom" in the other thread. What other objections do you have? Are you suggesting that Jay is not entitled to an extension on the merits, despite carrying the team on his back this year, going to the Pro Bowl and possessing big time upside? John Elway has already remarked that he believes he is a top 5 QB and we all know what his record is when the defense is even halfway decent.

If your objection is not on the merits, and it is not what was listed above (McDaniels ability to govern after "caving in"), what are the specific objections?

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Explain. What are your specific objections to an extension. I have already addressed the issue of "well, this would make it hard for McDaniels to govern because he would lose respect in the lockerroom" in the other thread. What other objections do you have? Are you suggesting that Jay is not entitled to an extension on the merits, despite carrying the team on his back this year, going to the Pro Bowl and possessing big time upside? John Elway has already remarked that he believes he is a top 5 QB and we all know what his record is when the defense is even halfway decent.

If your objection is not on the merits, and it is not what was listed above (McDaniels ability to govern after "caving in"), what are the specific objections?

How has he earned one?

[baja]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Explain. What are your specific objections to an extension. I have already addressed the issue of "well, this would make it hard for McDaniels to govern because he would lose respect in the lockerroom" in the other thread. What other objections do you have? Are you suggesting that Jay is not entitled to an extension on the merits, despite carrying the team on his back this year, going to the Pro Bowl and possessing big time upside? John Elway has already remarked that he believes he is a top 5 QB and we all know what his record is when the defense is even halfway decent.

If your objection is not on the merits, and it is not what was listed above (McDaniels ability to govern after "caving in"), what are the specific objections?

Sure;

Cutler is a dick and has three years left on his current contract.

Giving Cutler a new contract now lets every agent in the league that mcDaniels can be had.

Giving Cutler a new deal now sends a message to every player who the real boss man is on the Broncos

Giving Cutler a new deal will make him an insufferable locker room cancer for the rest of his career.

Giving Cutler a new deal now will cut the heart out of the "Team Concept" McDaniels is banking his whole career on.

There only two choices, make Cutler come in and if necessary sit him and let Sims (or Another ) run the team or trade him on draft day if it looks like the is no hope for him to accept the "Team Concept"

[Northman]

Both of them are idiots with Jay just dragging it out even more.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Northman

Both of them are idiots with Jay just dragging it out even more.

It's a business, right?

[ludo21]

Jay needs to remain a Bronco. I hope this happens.

[Popps]

Make Cutler feel wanted.



First off, it's been published multiple times that McDaniels has invited Culter to sit down and talk football on more than one occasion.

Jay showed up with his DA-DA, and all bets were off.

I honestly can't wrap my head around how naive people are about this issue. It's almost frightening.

Jay's REFUSING to talk to the coach without a massive contract extension, or... that's the going line of reasoning and considering Jay had to bring DA-DA to what was supposed to be a one-to-one player/coach meeting, no one seems to be denying that this is the case.

Cutler wants a guarantee, before he ever throws a football for the new coach.... this, after holding out, skipping meetings and making himself the biggest distraction in the history of the franchise.

Yea, go ahead Pat... let this punk run your business for you. Let him make you his b****. Give him what he wants, despite him showing no willingness to work with the staff, come to a meeting, nothing.

Go ahead, Broncos... extend Cutler's contract. Set the precedent of rewarding ****-can behavior. Let me know how that works out for the franchise.

[barryr]

Originally Posted by Popps

Make Cutler feel wanted.



First off, it's been published multiple times that McDaniels has invited Culter to sit down and talk football on more than one occasion.

Jay showed up with his DA-DA, and all bets were off.

I honestly can't wrap my head around how naive people are about this issue. It's almost frightening.

Jay's REFUSING to talk to the coach without a massive contract extension, or... that's the going line of reasoning and considering Jay had to bring DA-DA to what was supposed to be a one-to-one player/coach meeting, no one seems to be denying that this is the case.

Cutler wants a guarantee, before he ever throws a football for the new coach.... this, after holding out, skipping meetings and making himself the biggest distraction in the history of the franchise.

Yea, go ahead Pat... let this punk run your business for you. Let him make you his b****. Give him what he wants, despite him showing no willingness to work with the staff, come to a meeting, nothing.

Go ahead, Broncos... extend Cutler's contract. Set the precedent of rewarding ****-can behavior. Let me know how that works out for the franchise.

Not only all of that, but how does extending Cutler now mean either the Broncos won't trade him or he won't ask for a trade again? Just because he were to get extended doesn't automatically mean he stays a Bronco for a long time. Which is why I'm wondering if Cutler and his agent are really worried about getting a committment from the Broncos or just getting a contract regardless of who gives it?

[broncofan]

Originally Posted by barryr

Not only all of that, but how does extending Cutler now mean either the Broncos won't trade him or he won't ask for a trade again? Just because he were to get extended doesn't automatically mean he stays a Bronco for a long time. Which is why I'm wondering if Cutler and his agent are really worried about getting a committment from the Broncos or just getting a contract regardless of who gives it?

You're right...extending Jay means nothing because McDaniels word isn't worth **** anyway.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by broncofan

You're right...extending Jay means nothing because McDaniels word isn't worth **** anyway.

He's rubber and you're glue.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by barryr

Not only all of that, but how does extending Cutler now mean either the Broncos won't trade him or he won't ask for a trade again? Just because he were to get extended doesn't automatically mean he stays a Bronco for a long time.

Yes it does. If he got a new deal, he'd probably get somewhere between 25-35m guaranteed. If he were traded within a couple years of that deal, the team would get destroyed on the cap with all the unamortized money hitting the cap all at once. In essence then, a long term extension means he will not be traded anytime soon.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Yes it does. If he got a new deal, he'd probably get somewhere between 25-35m guaranteed. If he were traded within a couple years of that deal, the team would get destroyed on the cap with all the unamortized money hitting the cap all at once. In essence then, a long term extension means he will not be traded anytime soon.

So are you OK with Jay playing for the Broncos and that POS McDaniels as long as he gets a new contract?