Plummer content in his own private Idaho

[TDmvp]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10003772


Jay is a stud and all and will be for a decade but Jake being 39-15 was pretty damn good ...

[kmonty]

Loved the hint about Kubiak. Read this a few days ago, nice read. Love ya, Jake!

[broncogary]

Originally Posted by kmonty

Loved the hint about Kubiak. Read this a few days ago, nice read. Love ya, Jake!

Not that I didn't admire Jake's heart, but what a fluff piece. Houston has two QB's better than Plummer.

[Wes Mantooth]

I admire a guy who can hang it up while he still has his health. He has a real good grip on reality. Nice read.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

"No. I had a good talk with a friend the other night, and to my family and friends, in their eyes, I'm the best quarterback they know. That's enough for me. I don't need to validate to some writers, or some GM by coming back. I played a good, solid 10 years. My body feels great. I can go out and run 3 1/2 miles and not even have pain afterwards."

Geeeezus, I'd hope so, it's not like you are in your 60s or anything.

And as far as that best QB stuff..........OK.

[chaz]

[QUOTE=Bronco_Beerslug;2018775]Geeeezus, I'd hope so, it's not like you are in your 60s or anything.

QUOTE]

I'm only 19 and can't run a mile without pain anymore. I have a chronic fracture in my back, had it for two years now just found out the real diagnosis. I was a three sport athlete in high school...you always take your physical health for granted until you lose it. I'm happy for Jake, and can definitely appreciate pain-free running.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by chaz

I'm only 19 and can't run a mile without pain anymore. I have a chronic fracture in my back, had it for two years now just found out the real diagnosis. I was a three sport athlete in high school...you always take your physical health for granted until you lose it. I'm happy for Jake, and can definitely appreciate pain-free running.

I feel for you and some idea of what you may be feeling! I have DDD (Degenerative Disc Disease) and along with an auto accident, back surgery and basically missing my discs on the lower 4 consecutive levels, feel pain a lot these days. I can still run on a treadmill (my knees are getting shot too with 3 surgeries and needing a 4th) for 3 or 4 miles before I start hurting. That was the basis for my comment on Plummer's running. I think there are a lot of people in their 30s like Plummer is that can still run 3 miles pain free.

[s0phr0syne]

I think the point is that people like Favre and Elway can't.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by TDmvp

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10003772


Jay is a stud and all and will be for a decade but Jake being 39-15 was pretty damn good ...

it's wasn't bad but it seemed like he rarely won the big games.

[Killericon]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

it's wasn't bad but it seemed like he rarely won the big games.

39-15 is "Not bad."

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by killericon

39-15 is "Not bad."

I guess it's because I watched the games lol. I know you did also and we both know those Bronco teams lacked the ability to score at will like our superbowl teams. They had to rely on boots and good running to get it done.

Plummer wasn't a bad qb and his record is good, but he was an average QB

[TDmvp]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

I guess it's because I watched the games lol. I know you did also and we both know those Bronco teams lacked the ability to score at will like our superbowl teams. They had to rely on boots and good running to get it done.

Plummer wasn't a bad qb and his record is good, but he was an average QB

totally agree , and he is a good guy ...

[Northman]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

I guess it's because I watched the games lol. I know you did also and we both know those Bronco teams lacked the ability to score at will like our superbowl teams. They had to rely on boots and good running to get it done.

Plummer wasn't a bad qb and his record is good, but he was an average QB

Agreed. His overall record as a Qb proves that 73-77.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Originally Posted by Anubis

Agreed. His overall record as a Qb proves that 73-77.

you can't hold a QB's record against him. Cutler is only 9-12 through his career so far and is putting up really good numbers that are entering the level of the top QB's in the game, and he will get the record straightened out soon. I mean look at Arizona and tell me, do you think any QB in the league could turn that craphole into a winner? I am not saying Jake is the greatest QB that ever played the game, but he certainly was not the worst by far, and he led a winner onto the field for 3 straight years.

[tnedator]

Originally Posted by Anubis

Agreed. His overall record as a Qb proves that 73-77.

Just as many have pointed out that playing for the Broncos helped Jake's record, it would be hard to argue that playing in AZ didn't hurt his record.

For the six years prior to Plummer, AZ winning percentage was: .354
The six years with Plummer, AZ winning percentage was: .354
The five years after Plummer, AZ winning percentage was: .350

In Denver.

The four years before Plummer, the Broncos winning percentage was: .531
The four years with Plummer (less 5 games Cutler took over), the Broncos winning percentage was: .678
The 21 games since Cutler took over, the winning percentage was: .429

So, what does the above mean? Who knows. But, my point is that it isn't as simple as saying that the Broncos won in spite of Plummer, because the Broncos were a great organization, or that Jake's overall record 'proves' he was average and the great winning percentage/record while with the Broncos had nothing to do with Jake, when the Broncos winning percentage took a major leap when Jake took over, and took a major noise dive (below Griese levels) when Cutler took over.

My only real point is that people need to be careful with relying as stats as 'proof', because it works both ways. If you simply look at winning percentages, you would conclude two things:

First, that AZ was and is simply a horrendous team that is beyond the point where a single player (QB or otherwise) can make an impact on.

Second, that Plummer was the only QB since Elway that was able to routinely lead the Broncos to wins.

Those of us that have followed the Broncos for many years knows that it isn't quite that simple, but in the same way, the Plummer evaluation isn't as simple as saying that his losing career record (most of which with the horrible AZ Cardinals) 'proves' anything.

[Triplelefthook]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

I guess it's because I watched the games lol. I know you did also and we both know those Bronco teams lacked the ability to score at will like our superbowl teams. They had to rely on boots and good running to get it done.

Plummer wasn't a bad qb and his record is good, but he was an average QB

agreed we won many games in spite of plummer, not because of him

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

it's wasn't bad but it seemed like he rarely won the big games.

really?

our defense caved in and played like a freaking sieve in the three playoff losses while plummer was here.
sure, he was far from perfect also (they were total team losses, especially against pitt), but lets remember that he didnt throw a pick in the afc championship game until we were already 3 scores down.

bottom line is i dont blame him for those 3 playoff losses any more than i blame elway for the 3 80's superbowl losses.
when your defense is downright AWFUL youre gonna lose.
plummer stepped up big game after game for us, and in the end, finished his bronco career with the best TD to turnover ratio in our teams history.

the guy was a gamer, a leader, and a winner.
wish him well and enjoy watching our young gunslinger develop.

[wolf754life]

enough of this guy, lets move on, he sucked, he choked, he was a fake. leave him alone to rot in idaho..................

[That One Guy]

I love how folks like to quote the win stats to completely justify a QB...

And Big Ben was the reason the Steelers won the SB too.

[errand]

Originally Posted by cah412

I love how folks like to quote the win stats to completely justify a QB...

And Big Ben was the reason the Steelers won the SB too.

Guys like you crack me up. you make statements like this, and then claim Elway took the Broncos to those 3 SB's in the 80's. And granted he was a big reason we did well in the 80's...and practically his entire career...but it wasn't John and 10 clowns from the human trash.

Some one had to have thrown a block or two for him, run for a few yards, catch a few of his passes, make a few tackles, cause a fumble or two, intercept a pass once or twice.....

Guys like Sammy Winder, Gerald Willhite, Steve Sewell, Vance johnson, Orson Mobley, Tom Jackson, Clarence Kay, Billy Bryan, Dennis Smith, Tyrone Braxton, Karl Mecklenburg, Steve Atwater, Rulon Jones, Steve Watson, Mark Jackson, etc.

The same guys when other fans on other boards claim they stunk, you guys defend to no end...and yet here on a Broncos board, they get little love at all. Go figure.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by errand

Guys like you crack me up. you make statements like this, and then claim Elway took the Broncos to those 3 SB's in the 80's.

Uh, without Elway we didn't go to any of those so yep, Elway took us there.

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by errand

Guys like you crack me up. you make statements like this, and then claim Elway took the Broncos to those 3 SB's in the 80's. And granted he was a big reason we did well in the 80's...and practically his entire career...but it wasn't John and 10 clowns from the human trash.

Some one had to have thrown a block or two for him, run for a few yards, catch a few of his passes, make a few tackles, cause a fumble or two, intercept a pass once or twice.....

Guys like Sammy Winder, Gerald Willhite, Steve Sewell, Vance johnson, Orson Mobley, Tom Jackson, Clarence Kay, Billy Bryan, Dennis Smith, Tyrone Braxton, Karl Mecklenburg, Steve Atwater, Rulon Jones, Steve Watson, Mark Jackson, etc.

The same guys when other fans on other boards claim they stunk, you guys defend to no end...and yet here on a Broncos board, they get little love at all. Go figure.

Where you not around for that era It really was Elway and bunch of also rans....

[errand]

Originally Posted by elsid13

Where you not around for that era It really was Elway and bunch of also rans....

So guys like Mecklenburg, Braxton, Jones, Smith, Winder, etc. were just more obstacles he had to overcome, huh? And I suppose Reeves held him back as well, right? I'm amazed he didn't take us to a SB between '93-'96, afterall, all the aforementioned obstacles were gone by then.

[cutthemdown]

no reason to hate plummer though he played hard for us, when Broncos said they were done, he said cool I'm out see ya all later. Seems totally fair to me. Also it says a lot about plummer he is a man of his word. I give him that he wasn't posturing he was really seriously through.

[That One Guy]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

no reason to hate plummer though he played hard for us, when Broncos said they were done, he said cool I'm out see ya all later. Seems totally fair to me. Also it says a lot about plummer he is a man of his word. I give him that he wasn't posturing he was really seriously through.

I do recall some efforts to force his way to Houston, I think, but that could've been more a media creation. Don't really know. I think that was why not many expected him to actually retire though.