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Old 12-19-2006, 06:31 PM   #1
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Default Moving on, let the Kevin Garnett watch begin!!

Now that the Iverson situation is settled, it's time to move on to the next superstar in need of a change of scenery, Kevin Garnett.

Any early stabs at where he'll land?
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Old 12-19-2006, 06:33 PM   #2
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I am sure he will want to move now since he couldn't get AI on his team. He really wanted him. I am saying it will be Indiana, or Chicago. Those are just stabs in the dark.
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Old 12-21-2006, 01:52 PM   #4
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Makes too much sense on many levels to not happen. That said, I hope he stays in Minny. If the Wolves get a good enough deal, they'll be a scary team (something like Gordon, Deng and PJ Brown). With Garnett, they're cap strapped and stuck with guys like Mike James (who? And that joke never gets old), Ricky Davis (who's just behind Steven Jackson in the craziness ratings) and Mark Madsen tied in for a while, they're stuck in purgatory.
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Makes too much sense on many levels to not happen. That said, I hope he stays in Minny. If the Wolves get a good enough deal, they'll be a scary team (something like Gordon, Deng and PJ Brown). With Garnett, they're cap strapped and stuck with guys like Mike James (who? And that joke never gets old), Ricky Davis (who's just behind Steven Jackson in the craziness ratings) and Mark Madsen tied in for a while, they're stuck in purgatory.
The Bulls do not have a chance in hell if Boston wanted him. The Celtics have the ending contracts and better 'potential' players than the Bulls. Ben Gordon and Luel Deng are alright, but they are second scoring option type of players. The Celtics can offer to legit, first option, franchise type guys in Gerald Green and Al Jefferson. Plus, if you consider that Jefferson is 6'10" post player, it makes Boston deal even more enticing.
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The Bulls do not have a chance in hell if Boston wanted him. The Celtics have the ending contracts and better 'potential' players than the Bulls. Ben Gordon and Luel Deng are alright, but they are second scoring option type of players. The Celtics can offer to legit, first option, franchise type guys in Gerald Green and Al Jefferson. Plus, if you consider that Jefferson is 6'10" post player, it makes Boston deal even more enticing.
Deng is a better player than either of those guys.

So are Nocioni and Kirk Hinrich.

Da Bulls have the best young talent in the NBA.

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KG is overrated, IMO. I'm not saying he sucks, but a man of his talent and the players around him, they should be a lot better than they are.

He has a solid squad right now. Mike James and Ricky Davis both averaged 20pts per game before they landed in Minny.

They have enough scoring (James, Davis and Garnett), rebounding (KG, Smith, Griffin), shooters (Hudson, Jaric, James), athletes (Foye, Davis, KG, Griffin, Blount) and a lockdown defender (Hassell) to win.

The guy gets too many excuses for Minny's poor play. He is not a Alpha Dog type of athlete. He defers too much and 82games.com says he is weakest big in the league in the final two minutes (something like a 32% FG average).

He's a great player, but only as a clear cut number two on a team. He just doesn't have it in him to takeover and demand the ball.
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But to answer your question, I think the Bulls and the GASP! the Celtics have enough to entice KG out of Minny.

I would not be heartbroken if we didn't land KG. If we got him, that means we had to give up Jefferson who is 10 years younger than KG.
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I'm not ready to move on....today is all about the Nuggets baby!
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MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - Dwane Casey felt helpless as he watched a 10-point lead disappear in the fourth quarter against the Los Angeles Lakers.

He knew he had to rest Kevin Garnett and Mike James a little longer before bringing them back in the game, but cringed as the Lakers' second unit dominated Minnesota's reserves.

What Casey needed was an Answer.

One day after losing out to Denver in the bidding for Allen Iverson, the Timberwolves were outscored 34-7 in the final period of a 111-94 loss to the Lakers on Wednesday night.

The fact that Bryant spent the first 8 1/2 minutes of the fourth quarter on the bench made the loss sting even more.

Vladimir Radmanovic and Maurice Evans combined for 16 points during a 25-2 spurt that erased Minnesota's 87-77 lead to start the final period.

"I'd love to play my starters for 48 minutes," Casey said. "But they have to rest."

One night after shooting just 6-of-19 from the floor and fouling out for the first time in more than a year in a loss to Chicago, Bryant scored 24 points on 10-of-17 shooting.

But it was Radmanovic and Evans who were the difference makers in this one.

Radmanovic hit two 3-pointers and Evans punctuated the surge against his former team with a dunk that gave the Lakers a 100-91 lead with 4:39 to go.

"It's one of those games where you look at each other as a coaching staff and say, 'Go figure,"' Lakers coach Phil Jackson said. "That your bench would come out and have that productive of a fourth quarter - it's incredulous really."

Pardon Garnett if he didn't find it very funny.

He had 22 points, 11 rebounds and eight assists, but in the story of his 12-year career in Minnesota, Garnett couldn't do everything himself.

After shooting 62 percent and playing nearly flawless offensive basketball through three quarters, the Timberwolves shot just 2-of-19 in the lowest-scoring fourth quarter in franchise history.

"We went from diving on the floor and being really scrappy in this game to, I looked up and we were down," Garnett said. "It's very frustrating."

The former MVP openly pined for Iverson after he demanded a trade from Philadelphia. When the deal did not get done, Garnett said he was "a little bit" disappointed.

"That's pretty much how it goes around here," Garnett said. "I've learned not to put too much belief and hope in things until they're concrete and done. ... It would have been a very, very nice Christmas present."

Garnett has criticized management in the past for failing to surround him with enough talent to win, and on Wednesday night he turned a questioning eye toward Casey.

The coach took responsibility for the loss, for being unable to find a way to stop the collapse, and Garnett didn't exactly disagree.

"We can't keep depending on our coaches to make decisions," Garnett said. "We've got to use our IQs and our basketball knowledge to figure things out and maybe call timeouts and maybe go to a zone."

Without Iverson, Garnett said he was determined to be aggressive from the start and show more leadership, if that's possible. He hit his first three shots of the game and went toe-to-toe with Bryant for the first three quarters.

The game began as a duel between two of the best players in the NBA. Garnett and Bryant seemingly traded shots through the first three quarters, with Garnett scoring 21 to Bryant's 23.

The two All-Stars combined for only three points in the final period, however, while the Lakers' second unit overwhelmed Minnesota's bench players.

Ricky Davis scored 22 points and Randy Foye added 10 for the Wolves, who couldn't solve Radmanovic and Evans.

Radmanovic scored 11 of his 17 in the fourth and Evans had 10 of his 15 for the Lakers, who won for just the second time in five games without Lamar Odom.

Odom, their second-leading scorer and leading rebounder, went down with a sprained ligament in his right knee on Dec. 12. He is expected to miss at least a month.

Andrew Bynum added nine rebounds and seven points off the Lakers' bench, which outscored its Minnesota counterparts 51-19.

"They came in and gave us a huge, huge boost," Bryant said. "It was really a great effort."
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Gonzo, I totally agree that Green and Jefferson have the potential to be better than Deng and Gordon, I'm just not sure they'll reach that potential. I love Jefferson, but he's still wildly inconsistent. The question is if Minnesota would be willing to roll the dice on the potential for greatness or for the safe thing. Knowing Kevin McHale, he'd probably just trade Garnett for expiring contracts.
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Gonzo, I totally agree that Green and Jefferson have the potential to be better than Deng and Gordon, I'm just not sure they'll reach that potential. I love Jefferson, but he's still wildly inconsistent. The question is if Minnesota would be willing to roll the dice on the potential for greatness or for the safe thing. Knowing Kevin McHale, he'd probably just trade Garnett for expiring contracts.
If Mchale trades Garnett for expiring contracts, he is a bigger idiot than Billy King. That team is cap strapped because of all his moronic signings: Marko Jaric, Troy Hudson, Trenton Hassell, and trading for Mark Blount. All those guys are performing under what their contract is worth. And they all have years left on their deal. Minny will not be under the cap before 2010 will all that crap they on the roster.

If Mchale is smart, he starts to shop KG right now; before KG demands a trade. I would look for young talent (preferably a big man), a couple of draft picks (since he has trade away all of his) and an expiring contract to make the deal work because KG earns 22 mill.

The deal with Chicago doesn't make sense for Chicago, IMO. Let's say they do Gordon, Thomas, Deng and PJ Brown for Garnett. Who do they have left? Hinrich, Shefolosha, Wallace, KG, Nocioni, Duhon and Malik Allen. That lineup is a slight upgrade over what KG had in Minny sans Wallace. To me, the Chicago deal is unlikely.

Boston on the other hand, is loaded with youth and the prized expiring contract of Theo Ratliff. We could send across Al Jefferson (the crucial big), Gerald Green (the tantalizing potential guy), their pick of a PG (Telfair, Rondo or West) and couple of draft picks. Then KG gets to lineup with a true superstar in Pierce, Kendrick Perkins, Wally Z, and whatever PGs they do not choose. That makes sense.

If Minny were to take Chicago's deal, there is not much upside to it. Luol Deng is great, but he is going to be a 18-20 pt guy his whole career until he learns how to shoot from the outside. Tyrus Thomas is an undersized big (measured out to be 6'7" without shoes at the predraft camp) and Gordon is an undersized two guard. Not the the best deal in the world, IMO. Now, if they throw in their 2007 first round pick (New Yorks) then we will not be having this conversation. KG is theirs. But then again, it doesn't make much sense for Chitown to do it because their team is depleted with no cap room.
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You know what your problem is Gonzo? You keep assuming NBA GM's are smart. HUGE mistake.
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You know what your problem is Gonzo? You keep assuming NBA GM's are smart. HUGE mistake.
Tell me about it. **** BILLY KING!! That ****ing moron.

What deal would you have taken, Nuggs?

Theo Ratliff (expiring contract), your pick of Telfair, West or Rondo, Gerald Green and Boston's 2007 first round pick/2009 first round pick

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Andre Miller and two late 2007 first round picks

If you were Philly's GM, what deal would you take? All Nuggs homerism aside.
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Tell me about it. **** BILLY KING!! That ****ing moron.

What deal would you have taken, Nuggs?

Theo Ratliff (expiring contract), your pick of Telfair, West or Rondo, Gerald Green and Boston's 2007 first round pick/2009 first round pick

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Andre Miller and two late 2007 first round picks

If you were Philly's GM, what deal would you take? All Nuggs homerism aside.
I'm a big Rondo fan, so the Celtics deal if he's a part. I'm not as convinced that Gerald Green is for real as you are, so if it's Telfair or West, I take the Nugs deal. That's not being a Nugs homer. That IS possibly being a Dre homer though.
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Tell me about it. **** BILLY KING!! That ****ing moron.

What deal would you have taken, Nuggs?

Theo Ratliff (expiring contract), your pick of Telfair, West or Rondo, Gerald Green and Boston's 2007 first round pick/2009 first round pick

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Andre Miller and two late 2007 first round picks

If you were Philly's GM, what deal would you take? All Nuggs homerism aside.
Presumably, only the Boston 2007 pick would be better, and likely only by half a dozen places given how terrible the East is and how much better Boston would be compared to the competition (they could honestly be a top 3 team in the East with KG and Shaq out indefinitely). By 2009, they ought to be better unless you (King in this case) are counting on KG+Pierce not working. So I don't see the picks working TOO much in Boston's favor.

GG is the kicker though.

Current talent is a wash with Joe Smith+Miller vs a Boston PG, Green, and Ratliff.

Boston's is definitely better.
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In honor of all the horrid GM talk around here lately, I'll re-post an article I posted earlier this season.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=38491

I would have just posted the link to the article, but you have to have ESPN insider to read page 2 archives.
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