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Old 12-18-2006, 12:59 PM   #1
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Just on ESPN News. Nothing for Thomas who ordered the hard foul.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:26 PM   #2
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Unprecedented. But then again, it was a lethal punch though. Mardy Collins staggered to the floor like a heavyweight boxer.

15? Damn! The player's union will file a grievance so some of those games might come off.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:45 PM   #3
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So what Carmelo did was worse than Van Exel shoving a referee, Rodman head butting a referee & kicking a cameraman and Vernon Maxwell rushing into the stands to punch a fan? Sure.

This will be appealed and I imagine it'll be reduced. That's just excessive on just about all counts.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:55 PM   #4
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So what Carmelo did was worse than Van Exel shoving a referee, Rodman head butting a referee & kicking a cameraman and Vernon Maxwell rushing into the stands to punch a fan? Sure.

This will be appealed and I imagine it'll be reduced. That's just excessive on just about all counts.
Well things change...

I think the commish felt Maxwell was a bit understandable...as the fan in question apparently was heckling him about the recent death of his infant daughter.

That guy deserved to get clocked.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:59 PM   #5
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This was a result of ESPN and the outher media outlets running the story over and over and over. Even the regular news agencies were saying Black eye for the NBA and horror at the Garden. The commish had no choice but to do it. So much for Melos allstar apperance. I hope to God he never does something like this again.
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But you know who is partially to blame for all this ****? George Karl. If he wasn't trying to defend the 'honor' of Larry Brown, he never would have kept Carmelo, Camby and Smith in the game after the outcome was decided.

What Brown had with Isiah has nothing to do with Karl. Yea, Isiah fired him Larry Brown, but that has nothing to do with George. He let some outside issue effect the way he was coaching and came back in the ass to bite him. Stupidity. Any other game, Carmelo and the rest of the starters would have been on the bench drinking some Gatoraid but George let his emotions get the best of him.

Now isn't his a hoot? Isiah has managed to **** over seasons for both Karl and Brown. I bet you those two guys are freaking steaming right now. Karl tried to get Isiah back for Brown, and Isiah ****ed Karl's season. hahahah
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But you know who is partially to blame for all this ****? George Karl. If he wasn't trying to defend the 'honor' of Larry Brown, he never would have kept Carmelo, Camby and Smith in the game after the outcome was decided.

What Brown had with Isiah has nothing to do with Karl. Yea, Isiah fired him Larry Brown, but that has nothing to do with George. He let some outside issue effect the way he was coaching and came back in the ass to bite him. Stupidity. Any other game, Carmelo and the rest of the starters would have been on the bench drinking some Gatoraid but George let his emotions get the best of him.

Now isn't his a hoot? Isiah has managed to **** over seasons for both Karl and Brown. I bet you those two guys are freaking steaming right now. Karl tried to get Isiah back for Brown, and Isiah ****ed Karl's season. hahahah
Oh please, nothing worse than someone who tries to make an excuse for their behavior. So what if they were running up the score? That makes it ok? The only thing unjust is that Robinson didn't get the same amount of games and that Thomas got nothing.
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Oh please, nothing worse than someone who tries to make an excuse for their behavior. So what if they were running up the score? That makes it ok? The only thing unjust is that Robinson didn't get the same amount of games and that Thomas got nothing.
That is not the point. I'm not condoning the actions of the Knicks. But Karl put his team in a bad position by leaving the starters out there during the final two minutes in a blowout. Nobody in the NBA does that. Its like an unwritten rule among teams. He was literally asking for trouble and he got it.

This whole mess came about by George thinking about his binky instead of thinking about his team. Karl has been in this game long enough to know you don't pull those kind of stunts during the regular season. Its his fault.
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Old 12-18-2006, 02:12 PM   #9
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Carmelo got his today, and rightfully so! You don't sucker punch and then run away into the lockeroom like he did.

15 games, 10 for JR.

"I was very disappointed," Stern said. "Clearly, we're not getting through or players in certain circumstances just don't want to be restrained. I would suggest that those players will not have long careers in the NBA."

Wheres Gonzo to defend this? He will probably call me a racist for bringing this up.

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Carmelo got his today, and rightfully so! You don't sucker punch and then run away into the lockeroom like he did.

15 games, 10 for JR.

"I was very disappointed," Stern said. "Clearly, we're not getting through or players in certain circumstances just don't want to be restrained. I would suggest that those players will not have long careers in the NBA."

Wheres Gonzo to defend this? He will probably call me a racist for bringing this up.

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Perhaps you could use an existing thread...like the two in the NBA forum?
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Carmelo got his today, and rightfully so! You don't sucker punch and then run away into the lockeroom like he did.

15 games, 10 for JR.

"I was very disappointed," Stern said. "Clearly, we're not getting through or players in certain circumstances just don't want to be restrained. I would suggest that those players will not have long careers in the NBA."

Wheres Gonzo to defend this? He will probably call me a racist for bringing this up.

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And how is this any different from what happens at a hockey match or baseball game?

I actually find the singling out of basketball players to honestly be tinged in racism consciously or not.

When two hockey players throw down the crowd is cheering them on. Heaven forbid two or more highly competitive basketball players tussle on a much lower level (when's the last time you saw a punch that drew blood in the NBA)??

Maybe people get a bit more uppity about a bench clearing baseball tussle..but no one wrings their hands about the children when Clemens shaves someone's head with a fastball. Heck, it's an unwritten rule to bean an opponent if your player gets hit.
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Old 12-18-2006, 05:29 PM   #13
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And how is this any different from what happens at a hockey match or baseball game?

I actually find the singling out of basketball players to honestly be tinged in racism consciously or not.

When two hockey players throw down the crowd is cheering them on. Heaven forbid two or more highly competitive basketball players tussle on a much lower level (when's the last time you saw a punch that drew blood in the NBA)??

Maybe people get a bit more uppity about a bench clearing baseball tussle..but no one wrings their hands about the children when Clemens shaves someone's head with a fastball. Heck, it's an unwritten rule to bean an opponent if your player gets hit.

well, clearly the nba standard is not set by what other sports consider allowable. i've seen this argument before - it doesn't have much merit.

stern is obviously setting a tone that in the nba (notice, no nfl, nhl, etc.) these actions are unacceptable.

the suspensions and fines can be called in to question - but not against another sport. that's silly.
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well, clearly the nba standard is not set by what other sports consider allowable. i've seen this argument before - it doesn't have much merit.

stern is obviously setting a tone that in the nba (notice, no nfl, nhl, etc.) these actions are unacceptable.

the suspensions and fines can be called in to question - but not against another sport. that's silly.
My point isn't about the fines or suspensions. They are clearly warranted if more draconian than most precedent.

Every league has their own standards. My point is the double standard that appears to exist when NBA players get involved in an altercation. I don't care what Stern does, as that is his wont, Player's association grievances notwithstanding. It's the strange doublespeak that occurs where the NBA is full of thugs, but baseball can clear benches and hockey can have a fight every night.

Are the Cubs/White Sox thugs for their altercation? Or how about every hockey team at least once this year?
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Old 12-19-2006, 01:45 AM   #15
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My point isn't about the fines or suspensions. They are clearly warranted if more draconian than most precedent.

Every league has their own standards. My point is the double standard that appears to exist when NBA players get involved in an altercation. I don't care what Stern does, as that is his wont, Player's association grievances notwithstanding. It's the strange doublespeak that occurs where the NBA is full of thugs, but baseball can clear benches and hockey can have a fight every night.

Are the Cubs/White Sox thugs for their altercation? Or how about every hockey team at least once this year?
Your hockey comparison is terrible and you sound like someone who knows very little about the sport besides the fighting aspect. Basketball wouldn't be considered a league full of thugs (and I'm not saying it is) if guys squared off on a regular basis and it was an accepted part of the game, i.e. no suspensions when there is a fight. That's where your hockey comparison is so weak. It's a part of the game. Guys aren't automatically suspended just because they dropped their gloves like they are in basketball. That has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with what is an accepted part of each sport.
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And how is this any different from what happens at a hockey match or baseball game?

I actually find the singling out of basketball players to honestly be tinged in racism consciously or not.

When two hockey players throw down the crowd is cheering them on. Heaven forbid two or more highly competitive basketball players tussle on a much lower level (when's the last time you saw a punch that drew blood in the NBA)??

Maybe people get a bit more uppity about a bench clearing baseball tussle..but no one wrings their hands about the children when Clemens shaves someone's head with a fastball. Heck, it's an unwritten rule to bean an opponent if your player gets hit.
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And how is this any different from what happens at a hockey match or baseball game?.
Well, in baseball... you've got a bunch of fat guys leaning on each other and yelling things.

In basketball, it looks a little more like fighting. A punch occasionally connects, though it's usually only a cheap shot because 37 guys jump in when two guys are squared off.

In hockey, they actually fight. Guys square up, land punches... and they do it on skates.
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Carmelo got his today, and rightfully so! You don't sucker punch and then run away into the lockeroom like he did.

15 games, 10 for JR.

"I was very disappointed," Stern said. "Clearly, we're not getting through or players in certain circumstances just don't want to be restrained. I would suggest that those players will not have long careers in the NBA."

Wheres Gonzo to defend this? He will probably call me a racist for bringing this up.

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Nothing like gloating over something that a good portion of this board is pretty worked up over.

Go play with your Broncos inside source.
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That's the point exactly. You just said that this whole fracas was Karl's fault. No it wasn't. It's Carmelo's fault for raising his hand and striking another player. Same for the rest. There's no "if this didn't happen they wouldn't have done that". It's a matter of think before you act. Maybe what Karl did was not the norm but it is in no way the reason for these suspensions.
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That's the point exactly. You just said that this whole fracas was Karl's fault. No it wasn't. It's Carmelo's fault for raising his hand and striking another player. Same for the rest. There's no "if this didn't happen they wouldn't have done that". It's a matter of think before you act. Maybe what Karl did was not the norm but it is in no way the reason for these suspensions.
Karl setup his own players because of some stupid vendetta his boy Brown had against Isiah Thomas. That's the point.

He is like a parent who leaves piles of drugs around the house and then blames his kid for using it.

Next time, Karl should think about his team before he thinks about his buddy.
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Karl setup his own players because of some stupid vendetta his boy Brown had against Isiah Thomas. That's the point.

He is like a parent who leaves piles of drugs around the house and then blames his kid for using it.

Next time, Karl should think about his team before he thinks about his buddy.
And next time his team should remember they are men, getting paid very, very well to play a game, and remember to think how immature the other team is when it wants to fight, regardlessof what their coach has done.
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I think 10 for Melo would've been enough.
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......shouldn't the embarrasment of being a punk be enough. Sucker punch and then run like a little p***Y. What a class act. Damn primadonnas need to be chopped off at the knees! Include Allen Iverson in that category. He was a punk when he was playing for ODU. Just because they are good at "hoops" doesn't excuse BS behavior!
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