Shockey/Heap Trade Value - The Orange Mane

SportinOne · 08-16-2006, 01:28 PM

i had a draft today, and a few people in my league made some bonehead picks and i had the luxury of being able to take both Jeremy Shockey and Todd Heap. I knew i could trade one of them, but the question is, what should i command for them? I have lots of depth at WR and i got Peyton Manning so i'm looking for a running back. Obviously a team with depth at that position would be willling to give more, but i'd be interested to hear what HB's i could possibly get for either TE.

Let me know what you guys think!

Broncoman13 · 08-16-2006, 06:45 PM

That's a tough one. For Shockey you might be able to get a guy that is flying under the radar at the moment. I've seen guys like Kevin Jones, Fred Taylor, and Willie Parker fall into the 4th and 5th rounds lately. Shockey is likely a 5th or 6th round pick in most leagues. I guess he could go as high as a 4th, but not as likely. I'd try those three and see how you fair, if no one bites, try the next lower tier, which would be the Mike Bells, Ahman Greens, and Deuce McAllisters. Good luck! RB's will always be of more value than TE's. Just the way it goes, but Shockey is widely considered a top 3 TE. Oh, and the reason I'm suggesting Shockey over Heap. 1. The difference in #'s should be small. Shockey may end up with a few more yards, but Heap likely ends up with equal or more TD's. 2. Steve McNair has shown over the years to really rely upon his TE's. Frank Wycheck was a very good player, but nowhere near the same caliber athlete as Heap. I think you can look for atleast the same #'s as last year from Heap (850 yards and 7 TD's) and quite possibly more!

MechanicalBull · 08-16-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OSKIE

That's a tough one. For Shockey you might be able to get a guy that is flying under the radar at the moment. I've seen guys like Kevin Jones, Fred Taylor, and Willie Parker fall into the 4th and 5th rounds lately. Shockey is likely a 5th or 6th round pick in most leagues. I guess he could go as high as a 4th, but not as likely. I'd try those three and see how you fair, if no one bites, try the next lower tier, which would be the Mike Bells, Ahman Greens, and Deuce McAllisters. Good luck! RB's will always be of more value than TE's. Just the way it goes, but Shockey is widely considered a top 3 TE. Oh, and the reason I'm suggesting Shockey over Heap. 1. The difference in #'s should be small. Shockey may end up with a few more yards, but Heap likely ends up with equal or more TD's. 2. Steve McNair has shown over the years to really rely upon his TE's. Frank Wycheck was a very good player, but nowhere near the same caliber athlete as Heap. I think you can look for atleast the same #'s as last year from Heap (850 yards and 7 TD's) and quite possibly more!

Good post Oskie, I was almost going to post the same exact thing. Shockey will get you more value and you could maybe get a second to third level rb for him or since you said you have depth at WR you can maybe package Shockey with a WR to get a better RB. Shockey will either be the 2nd or 3rd best TE in fantasy and him and Eli have a good chemistry going and his stats may go up if Eli doesn't hit another wall.

I might lean towards keeping Heap for pretty much the same reason Oski said. Shockey has the better value but now with McNair in Balt. Heap may put up #s very close to Shockey. Aside from the RBs mentioned above you can maybe get another guy that can have a good rebound year like Jamal Lewis possibly or Deshaun Foster.

Who are your RBs and WRs as of now and is there a team in your league that doesn't really have a good starting TE at all? Like I said you might be able to package Shockey with an ok WR that is on your bench to get a better RB.

SportinOne · 08-20-2006, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MechanicalBull

Who are your RBs and WRs as of now and is there a team in your league that doesn't really have a good starting TE at all? Like I said you might be able to package Shockey with an ok WR that is on your bench to get a better RB.

My team pretty much looks like this right now:

QB - Peyton
RB - McGahee
RB - Kevin Jones
WR - Anquan Boldin
WR - Lee Evans
TE - Shockey
D - Steelers
k - Vinatieri

BN

RB - Willie Parker
TE - Heap
RB - Duckett
WR - Matt Jones
RB - Marion Barber
WR - Reggie Brown
WR - Deion Branch
D - Falcons

10 - Team league, so alot of guys THINK they have a legit TE with people like Heath Miller and LJ Smith and Vernon Davis. Fantasy football doesn't give points for potential.

I tried Heap for Rudi Johnson but no reply yet

ludo21 · 08-16-2006, 06:54 PM

Heres my question.

Im very thin at RB, but stacked at WR..

Who could i get with these guys.

Walker, Harrison, Horn, Keyshawn, Watts.....

I do have Wali Lundy, he is my sleeper.

youcandoit1687 · 08-16-2006, 07:35 PM

you should test the market on shockey and heap. i think the general value for shockey is higher but heap will get you about the same points without all the flash. id offer trades with shockey first and then if not accepted, offer trades with heap. it makes other players think that you are "upgrading" your offer by making a second one although you could offer heap first and then shockey and they might think that they are getting a steal because of it. thats a mind game you have to decide.

also, you might want to consider picking up ladell betts. he showed a lot of promise last year(spec. 49ers game) and he could atleast be a starter for week 1, maybe more.

08-16-2006, 01:28 PM	#1
SportinOne Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,422	Shockey/Heap Trade Value i had a draft today, and a few people in my league made some bonehead picks and i had the luxury of being able to take both Jeremy Shockey and Todd Heap. I knew i could trade one of them, but the question is, what should i command for them? I have lots of depth at WR and i got Peyton Manning so i'm looking for a running back. Obviously a team with depth at that position would be willling to give more, but i'd be interested to hear what HB's i could possibly get for either TE. Let me know what you guys think!

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08-16-2006, 06:45 PM	#2
Broncoman13 Broncoholic JT #80 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 16,961 Adopt-a-Bronco: Orange Julius	That's a tough one. For Shockey you might be able to get a guy that is flying under the radar at the moment. I've seen guys like Kevin Jones, Fred Taylor, and Willie Parker fall into the 4th and 5th rounds lately. Shockey is likely a 5th or 6th round pick in most leagues. I guess he could go as high as a 4th, but not as likely. I'd try those three and see how you fair, if no one bites, try the next lower tier, which would be the Mike Bells, Ahman Greens, and Deuce McAllisters. Good luck! RB's will always be of more value than TE's. Just the way it goes, but Shockey is widely considered a top 3 TE. Oh, and the reason I'm suggesting Shockey over Heap. 1. The difference in #'s should be small. Shockey may end up with a few more yards, but Heap likely ends up with equal or more TD's. 2. Steve McNair has shown over the years to really rely upon his TE's. Frank Wycheck was a very good player, but nowhere near the same caliber athlete as Heap. I think you can look for atleast the same #'s as last year from Heap (850 yards and 7 TD's) and quite possibly more!

08-16-2006, 06:54 PM	#5
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,903 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Heres my question. Im very thin at RB, but stacked at WR.. Who could i get with these guys. Walker, Harrison, Horn, Keyshawn, Watts..... I do have Wali Lundy, he is my sleeper.

08-16-2006, 07:35 PM	#6
youcandoit1687 homer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,602 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Myers	you should test the market on shockey and heap. i think the general value for shockey is higher but heap will get you about the same points without all the flash. id offer trades with shockey first and then if not accepted, offer trades with heap. it makes other players think that you are "upgrading" your offer by making a second one although you could offer heap first and then shockey and they might think that they are getting a steal because of it. thats a mind game you have to decide. also, you might want to consider picking up ladell betts. he showed a lot of promise last year(spec. 49ers game) and he could atleast be a starter for week 1, maybe more.