"The Holy Koran was defiled by the dirtiest of hands, by American hands,"

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Seems as every day goes by more and more of these religious fanatics come to hate and despise us.

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Afghans carry an effigy, which has 'Bush' written in Dari on the paper pasted on it, during a protest in Jalalabad May 10, 2005. About 2,000 students protested in the Afghan city of Jalalabad on Tuesday, shouting 'Death to America' over a report that U.S. interrogators in Guantanamo Bay had desecrated the Koran. (Reuters/Ajmal




Protests across Muslim world over Koran report


By Sayed Salahuddin Fri May 13, 2:57 PM ET

KABUL, Afghanistan (Reuters) - Angry protests raged across the Muslim world from Indonesia to Gaza on Friday over a report that U.S. interrogators at Guantanamo Bay had desecrated the Koran, with calls for retaliation and a rising death toll.
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In
Afghanistan, at least nine people were killed on Friday, in protests over the report bringing the country's death toll to 16 this week in its worst anti-American demonstrations since the fall of the Taliban.

Washington sought to stem Muslim anger as allies demanded investigations and thousands took to the streets in outrage over the Newsweek magazine report that interrogators at the U.S. military prison in Cuba had put the Muslim holy book on a toilet and at least once flushed it down.

The unrest spread to Pakistan, which called for a U.S. probe. Hundreds of people held a peaceful protest in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation.

In Gaza, several thousand Palestinians marched through a refugee camp in a protest organized by the Islamic militant group Hamas. Several hundred Palestinians also marched in the West Bank city of Hebron.

"The Holy Koran was defiled by the dirtiest of hands, by American hands," a protester shouted at the Jabalya refugee camp in Gaza, where U.S. and Israeli flags were also burned.

The escalating violence prompted the Bush administration to express sympathy with the demonstrators and urge calm.

"We want Muslims around the world to know that we share and understand the concerns that they have. We are also saddened about the loss of life because of these demonstrations turning violent," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

The
Department of Defense is investigating the allegation and "they take such allegations very seriously," he said, but did indicate when the investigation would be completed. "...We will not tolerate any disrespect for the holy Koran," he added.

Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice had also urged Muslims on Thursday to resist calls for violence, saying U.S. military authorities were investigating the Koran allegations and calling disrespect to the holy book "abhorrent to us all."

Muslims consider the Koran the literal word of God, treating each book with deep reverence, and the episode has embarrassed the United States, which has sought closer ties with Muslim allies as it wages its war on terrorism.

In Afghanistan and Pakistan, desecration of the Koran is punishable by death.

DAMAGED REPUTATION

The United States' reputation had already been damaged by photographs released last year of physical and sexual abuse of Muslim prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison in
Iraq.

Washington's allies demanded action and an investigation. Indonesia said those responsible must receive a "deserved punishment" for their "immoral action." Pakistan also called for a U.S. probe, and Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, said it was following the issue with "deep indignation."

Sentiments ran higher in the streets.

"Demonstrations serve no purpose, we should do something practical. I am ready to blow myself up for the sake of my religion to embrace martyrdom," said Mohammad Ghafoor, 18, a student protesting in Peshawar, Pakistan.

Newsweek, in its May 9 edition, quoted sources as saying that investigators probing abuses at the military prison had found that interrogators "had placed Korans on toilets, and in at least one case flushed a holy book down the toilet."

Washington is holding more than 500 prisoners from its war on terrorism at the naval base on Cuba, many of them detained in Afghanistan after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The report prompted the worst anti-U.S. protests across that fragmented country since Americans invaded to topple Kabul's Islamist Taliban rulers for harboring
Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda network.

On Friday, Islamic clerics in Afghanistan told worshipers at weekly prayers that protests over the reported desecration of the holy book were justified.

They urged Muslims to shun violence, but their words fell on deaf ears as clashes erupted in different parts of the country, claiming at least nine lives, most those of protesters shot by police.

About 100 people have been injured there in days of protests, and police stations, U.N. and aid group offices and government premises have been ransacked and torched.

The United States commands a foreign force in Afghanistan of about 18,300, fighting Taliban insurgents and hunting Taliban and al Qaeda leaders, including bin Laden.

(Additional reporting by Simon Cameron-Moore, Zeeshan Haider and Saeed Ali Achakzai in Pakistan, Tabassum Zakaria in Washington and Nidal al-Mughrahbi in Gaza)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...gion_afghan_dc

[TomServo]

all that over a rumor.....anything to riot over any slight of the blessed koran.

[TomServo]

and all the while their religion slips way past the Dark ages they wonder Why.
if your a catholic like me me you can rest assured our faith had our Worst days like 5 centurys ago. YES we had the Spanish Inquisition what? 5 centuries ago? tell me the last update the muslim faith has had?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by TomServo

and all the while their religion slips way past the Dark ages they wonder Why.
if your a catholic like me me you can rest assured our faith had our Worst days like 5 centurys ago. YES we had the Spanish Inquisition what? 5 centuries ago? tell me the last update the muslim faith has had?

Their religion is basically just keeping on course isn't it? To me, religion and people who believe their religion is or can be the only religion, are the root cause of a whole bunch of problems the planet is faced with these days.

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Afghan official demands U.S. apology over Koran

By Sayed Salahuddin

KABUL (Reuters) - The United States should apologize for any desecration of the Muslim holy book, the Koran, and punish those responsible, a top Afghan official said on Saturday as sporadic anti-U.S. protests flared for a fifth day.

Sixteen Afghans have been killed and more than 100 hurt since Wednesday in the worst anti-U.S. protests across
Afghanistan since Americans invaded in 2001 to oust the Taliban for harboring
Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda network.

Newsweek magazine said in its May 9 edition investigators probing abuses at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay found that interrogators "had placed Korans on toilets, and in at least one case flushed a holy book down the toilet."

Muslims consider the Koran the literal word of God and treat each book with deep reverence.

"If the Americans have done this, then they should admit it and punish those who did it and apologize to Muslims," Chief Justice Fazl Hadi Shinwari told Reuters.

His call echoed the demands of many of those who have been taking to the streets of Afghan towns and cities this week.

Protests erupted again on Saturday but apart from some stone-throwing, there was no violence, officials said.

"There were demonstrations .... but there was no violence, they were all peaceful," said Interior Ministry spokesman Lutfullah Mashal.

The United States has tried to calm global Muslim outrage over the incident, saying disrespect for the Koran was abhorrent and would not be tolerated, and military authorities were investigating the allegation.

GROWING RESENTMENT

Afghan protesters were out again on Saturday in the southern town of Spin Boldak, on the border with Pakistan, in neighboring Zabul province, in Farah province in the west and in Badghis in the northwest, officials said.

School students threw stones at an aid agency office in Badghis province but no one was hurt, residents said.

The protests began in the conservative eastern city of Jalalabad on Tuesday. Violence erupted there on Wednesday when four protesters were killed. Clashes occurred in different places on Thursday and Friday.

Afghan analysts have said Muslim outrage over the desecration report sparked the protests, not hatred of America, but there is growing resentment of U.S. troops, especially in ethnic-Pashtun areas of the south and east where they mainly operate.

The United States commands a foreign force in Afghanistan of about 18,300, most of them American, fighting Taliban insurgents and hunting militant leaders, including bin Laden.

U.S. and other foreign troops have not been involved in policing the protests.

The Outlook newspaper said there was already anti-American feeling among Muslims who saw U.S.-led wars in Afghanistan and
Iraq as wars against Islam.

The senseless desecration only played into the hands of fanatics who wanted to undermine democracy, it said.

The protests have hurt the prestige of President Hamid Karzai as he tries to forge closer U.S. ties and the violence could be exploited by the Taliban or others, it said.

The protesters have been venting their anger against Karzai, attacking and torching government offices and police stations as well as U.N. and aid group offices. At one protest, a white Taliban flag was raised, Outlook said.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/nm/religion_afghan_dc

[Atlas]

This is in Iraq at the entrance to a mosque.

People can walk on the U.S. and Isreali flag as they attend services.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Atlas

This is in Iraq at the entrance to a mosque.

People can walk on the U.S. and Isreali flag as they attend services.

Shiites Stage Mass Anti-U.S. Protests
By ABDUL HUSSEIN AL-OBEIDI, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago

NAJAF, Iraq - Thousands of Shiites, many waving Islam's holy book over their heads, protested the U.S. presence in
Iraq on Friday after the detention of several supporters of a radical cleric, while Sunnis shut down places of worship elsewhere in a show of anger over alleged sectarian violence against the minority.

The U.S. military also launched what it said would be an aggressive investigation into how a British newspaper got pictures of an imprisoned
Saddam Hussein clad only in his underwear, saying the photos violated military guidelines and possibly the Geneva convention on the humane treatment of prisoners.

The photos, which appeared on the front pages of the British tabloid Sun and the New York Post and were broadcast across the Middle East by some Arab satellite networks, were expected to fuel anti-American sentiment among supporters of the former dictator who are believed to be the driving force behind the country's insurgency.

The Shiite protests in the southern cities of Najaf, Kufa and Nasiriyah, came as Iraq's Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari announced that he will visit Syria, which has been accused of harboring insurgents bent on starting a civil war in Iraq.

The protests, which drew an estimated total of 6,000 demonstrators in the three cities, followed radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's call Wednesday to reject the U.S. occupation of Iraq by painting Israeli and American flags on the ground outside mosques to be stepped on in protest raids against holy places.

In violence elsewhere, a suicide bombing targeting the house of Iraqi national security adviser, Mouwafak al-Rubaie, killed two civilians and wounded three in the Baghdad neighborhood of Kazimiyah, police said.

After the explosion, gunmen in the nearby Azamiyah area opened fire at a U.S. base in Kazimiyah on the western side of the Tigris River, witnesses said. The gunmen later fled, they added. Witnesses reported seeing U.S. Apache attack helicopters firing rockets into the neighborhood.

A U.S. soldier also was killed early Friday in a vehicle accident caused by roadside bomb attack near Taji, 10 miles north of Baghdad, the military said. At least 1,628 members of the U.S. military have died since the Iraq war started in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

Al-Sadr's call for protests was made a day after U.S. and Iraqi forces detained 13 of his supporters during a raid on a Shiite mosque in Mahmoudiya, 20 miles south of Baghdad. Iraqi troops confiscated weapons from the mosque.

Al-Sadr, a burly, black-bearded cleric, launched two uprisings against U.S. forces in Baghdad and Najaf in April and August last year, then went into hiding before surfacing on Monday to demand that U.S.-led forces withdraw from the country.

"From this platform, we warn the government not to fight the al-Sadr movement because all the tyrants of the world could not beat it," Hazim al-Araji, the imam of a mosque in Kufa during Friday;s sermon. "We say to the government do not be a tyrant like Saddam or (former interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad) Allawi."

In the Shiite holy cities of Najaf and Kufa, al-Sadr followers painted American and Israeli flags on most streets near mosques before stepping on them.

"Down, down Israel; down, down USA," chanted protesters following midday prayers at a Kufa mosque.

In Nasiriyah, 200 miles southeast of Baghdad, al-Sadr supporters clashed with guards at the headquarters of Dhi Qar provincial governor, Aziz Abed Alwan.

The fighting broke out before noon as about 2,000 members of al-Sadr's al-Mahdi Amy marched toward the cleric's local office, which is near the governor's headquarters.

Armed men guarding the headquarters shot toward the crowd in an apparent bid to disperse it, prompting retaliatory fire from al-Sadr supporters. Four policemen and four civilians were wounded, as were nine al-Sadr supporters, said Sheik al-Khafaji, an official at al-Sadr's Nasiriyah office.

Sunni clerics also delivered fiery sermons in Baghdad and Ramadi, in the volatile Sunni Triangle in western Iraq, repeating a call from three of Iraq's most influential Sunni organizations for the places of worship to be shut for three days to protest alleged Shiite violence against them.

One of those organizations, the Sunni Muslim Association of Muslim Scholars, on Wednesday accused a Shiite militia of allegedly killing Sunni clerics — a charge the group denied.

Shiites, who make up 60 percent of Iraq's 26 million people, were oppressed under Saddam, then emerged from the Jan. 30 elections with the biggest bloc in the National Assembly. They have allied with Kurds, who also were oppressed by Saddam, but have included Sunnis in the government in an effort to ease the minority's discontent over losing power.

The photos showed Saddam standing in his white underwear while holding what appeared to be a brown pair of trousers. In others, he is clothed and seated on a chair doing some washing. The Sun said it obtained the photos from "U.S. military sources."

The U.S. military in Baghdad said in a statement that the photos, which were believed to have been taken more than a year ago, violated its guidelines "and possibly Geneva convention guidelines for the humane treatment of detained individuals."

U.S. military spokesman Staff Sgt. Don Dees said an investigation was launched Friday as soon as the military discovered the existence and use of the photographs.

Saddam, who was captured in December 2003, is being held by the U.s. military at an undisclosed location believed to be in the Iraqi capital. He faces charges including killing rival politicians during his 30-year rule, gassing Kurds, invading Kuwait in 1990 and suppressing Kurdish and Shiite uprisings in 1991. No trial dates have been set.

Aside from U.S. soldiers, those who have access to the toppled dictator include his legal team, prosecuting judge Raed Johyee and officials of the International Committee of the Red Cross.

ICRC Middle East spokeswoman Dorothea Krimitsas said use of such photos is "clearly forbidden" and U.S. forces are obliged to "preserve the privacy of the detainee."

In Turkey, al-Jaafari said Iraq would not tolerate foreign fighters crossing the porous desert frontier that separates his country from Syria.

"We will visit Syria some time soon, and one of the issues that will be taken up will be the security file and the prevention of such infiltrations," he said.

A U.S. official said Wednesday that Syria was the site of a key meeting last month in which lieutenants of Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi were ordered to carry out more attacks in Iraq. More than 520 people have been killed since the country's new Shiite-dominated government was announced April 28. Damascus has not commented on the allegations.

In another development, Iraq and
Iran issued a joint statement blaming Saddam and other members of his regime for being the military aggressors in the 1980-88 war between both countries and Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait, which led to the 1991
Gulf War.

The statement, issued Thursday during Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi's historic trip to Iraq, comes as the Shiite-dominated governments of both countries try to forge better ties following Saddam's ouster two years ago.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._re_mi_ea/iraq

[Hotrod]

The key here is "religious fanatics" IMO it does not matter what we do or dont do they are trained to hate us because we dont practice their religion. My understanding is they have to (according to their religion) kill everyone who does not convert. So I guess its kill or be killed.

[bendog]

But it's impossible not to accept that the US and the West has repeatedly crushed nationalist movements over there that threated the spice supply, and in retrospect, creating Israel wasn't Truman's best idea ever. Osama's biggest gripe is the House of Saud, and we're best buddies with those guys who aren't "creating freedom."

But of course reasoning with a guy like Osama isn't going to work.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by bendog

But it's impossible not to accept that the US and the West has repeatedly crushed nationalist movements over there that threated the spice supply, and in retrospect, creating Israel wasn't Truman's best idea ever. Osama's biggest gripe is the House of Saud, and we're best buddies with those guys who aren't "creating freedom."

But of course reasoning with a guy like Osama isn't going to work.

I reached my limit with these Islamic nuts long ago. The only way to handle them is a concerted effort of all Western nations, but that opportunity has slipped away. It pisses me off no end, but there we are right now. I'm kind of searching for a good long-term solution right now, but I'm stumped. Kill or be killed is definitely appealing, but it has never worked long term. We need a strong leader that can unite the US and Western/Central Europe - and if Russia and China want to dispute that, well we'll see what happens. That's a good starting point.

There's so much happening right now, the US and Europe have to pull together. I said in another post that this is China's century, and all indications point to that. However, if the Western nations pull together, there's a chance to elevate everybody.

Ah well, it's a nice thought. Most likely there's going to be a lot of bloodshed and hardship. As the saying goes, "You can dress a monkey in silk pajamas, but he's still a monkey." Substitute "human" for the first instance of "monkey" in that saying, and leave the second instance of "monkey" intact, and you pretty much have described the dominant life-form on this planet.

[RaiderH8r]

These yahoos are a riot looking for a cause.

[Crushaholic]

What else is new? Countries hating the United States has been a mainstay for centuries.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

What else is new? Countries hating the United States has been a mainstay for centuries.

Originally Posted by bendog

Mexico, since 1842 or so, Latin and S. America ...... prolly 1890's. The rest, since 1960 or so. Africa? I dunno that countries there really hate us at all.

Ding ding ding!

[bendog]

Mexico, since 1842 or so, Latin and S. America ...... prolly 1890's. The rest, since 1960 or so. Africa? I dunno that countries there really hate us at all. But, there is definitely something cultural in Islam and in countries where African tribal loyalties play in politics that doesn't look at individual freedom as the US and the West do.

[Rascal]

And you guys still claim that the newsweak story didn't cause the riots?

[Hotrod]

Originally Posted by Rascal

And you guys still claim that the newsweak story didn't cause the riots?

See Rascal they cant claim that its newsweeks fault since that does not help their radical left wing movement

[bendog]

Originally Posted by Rascal

And you guys still claim that the newsweak story didn't cause the riots?

Newsweek is irrelevant because something else would have set them off over our occupying their country, which they see as a diss to Islam, and defiling Korans was just a spark, and imo there's too much evidence that **** **** has been going on, so blaming the media is just another of the WH's ongoing failure to take responsiblity for the stupid %%%%%%% they do.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by bendog

Newsweek is irrelevant because something else would have set them off over our occupying their country, which they see as a diss to Islam, and defiling Korans was just a spark, and imo there's too much evidence that **** **** has been going on, so blaming the media is just another of the WH's ongoing failure to take responsiblity for the stupid %%%%%%% they do.

It's chaos theory, a fart in Los Angeles wafts onto a Qu'Ran in Darfur and the US is responsible for defiling the thing. Boo f!cking hoo, your Qu'Ran was defiled...whatever. They're lucky our guys are nice enough to give the thing to them in the first place. I'd be tossing pig blood on these pole smokers to get them to talk. Buried face down with pig entrails and and make them stare at the Israeli and US flags all day long. These people who defile everything. They send pregnant women to their death as suicide bombers. The US gauges success in war by 1. Objective met? and 2.How few civilian casualties. Their objective is to get as many civilian casualties as possible. But I'm supposed to feel bad because someone wiped with the Qu'Ran? Screw this, I'm going to Barnes and Noble...I've got to take a dump and I've got an idea where I can find some good TP.

[Hotrod]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

It's chaos theory, a fart in Los Angeles wafts onto a Qu'Ran in Darfur and the US is responsible for defiling the thing. Boo f!cking hoo, your Qu'Ran was defiled...whatever. They're lucky our guys are nice enough to give the thing to them in the first place. I'd be tossing pig blood on these pole smokers to get them to talk. Buried face down with pig entrails and and make them stare at the Israeli and US flags all day long. These people who defile everything. They send pregnant women to their death as suicide bombers. The US gauges success in war by 1. Objective met? and 2.How few civilian casualties. Their objective is to get as many civilian casualties as possible. But I'm supposed to feel bad because someone wiped with the Qu'Ran? Screw this, I'm going to Barnes and Noble...I've got to take a dump and I've got an idea where I can find some good TP.

this follows my theory that as Americans we've grown soft. We live in comfort and dont have any idea what these people are like. We think of them as the same as us. They are not they are brought up learning that we are to be killed. Its like training a dog to sit they only know one thing and that is its good to kill Americans.

[Spider]

This realy isnt about what they are doing in these other countries , This is more about us sinking to their level ....... I guess here recently , there was a young man that was chained ot a cieling and beat to death , come to find out he was a Taxi Driver and a Farmer ....... We expected these people to be this way , suicide bombings , Jihad , what ever their trip is , but the US behaving like them is a shock ..........

[Hotrod]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

This realy isnt about what they are doing in these other countries , This is more about us sinking to their level ....... I guess here recently , there was a young man that was chained ot a cieling and beat to death , come to find out he was a Taxi Driver and a Farmer ....... We expected these people to be this way , suicide bombings , Jihad , what ever their trip is , but the US behaving like them is a shock ..........

I dont think as a whole we act anything like them. Just look at the outrage over the newsweek thing. The whole world and many Americans for that matter want us to burn for "disrespecting" a book. Yet Christians are massacured around the world repressed yet not a word of worry from the middle east.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Hotrod

I dont think as a whole we act anything like them. Just look at the outrage over the newsweek thing. The whole world and many Americans for that matter want us to burn for "disrespecting" a book. Yet Christians are massacured around the world repressed yet not a word of worry from the middle east.

The Newsweek thing was just a Primer , these people were just waiting for somthing to get excited about in their hum drum lives ... whats so shocking is we got caught doing these things ......... Let me put it this way .... you have a cop that arrest you for Drugs , meanwhile he is running his own Drugs ..... my point is , if we want to tell the world Saddam was an a-hole , we shouldnt be a-holes ourselves , the Just cause they did it excuse doesnt work

[Hotrod]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

The Newsweek thing was just a Primer , these people were just waiting for somthing to get excited about in their hum drum lives ... whats so shocking is we got caught doing these things ......... Let me put it this way .... you have a cop that arrest you for Drugs , meanwhile he is running his own Drugs ..... my point is , if we want to tell the world Saddam was an a-hole , we shouldnt be a-holes ourselves , the Just cause they did it excuse doesnt work

My point is we are held to a differnt set of rules. Not that its wrong it just makes us better people but what people dont understand IMO is that we are the good guys yet we are seen as evil when in fact were not the ones trying to kill others due to religion. Just ties our hands while the terrorists work however they want with out fear of reprecussions.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Hotrod

My point is we are held to a differnt set of rules. Not that its wrong it just makes us better people but what people dont understand IMO is that we are the good guys yet we are seen as evil when in fact were not the ones trying to kill others due to religion. Just ties our hands while the terrorists work however they want with out fear of reprecussions.

we are the good guys , we are also the big dog on the block , and when the Big dog f^cks up , it get attention ........ See Bush was right , we have to win the minds and hearts of these duchebags , we cant do that being flawed ..... we have to set an example , there are over a Billion muslims , thats alot of people .....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

While delusional imbeciles like ratscal blame Newsweek for America's image problem...

THINGS THAT HURT YOUR IMAGE ABROAD

1) Torture.

2) Murder.

i.e.:

Even as the young Afghan man was dying before them, his American jailers continued to torment him.

The prisoner, a slight, 22-year-old taxi driver known only as Dilawar, was hauled from his cell at the detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan, at around 2 a.m. to answer questions about a rocket attack on an American base. When he arrived in the interrogation room, an interpreter who was present said, his legs were bouncing uncontrollably in the plastic chair and his hands were numb. He had been chained by the wrists to the top of his cell for much of the previous four days.

Dilawar was an Afghan farmer and taxi driver who died while in custody of American troops.

Mr. Dilawar asked for a drink of water, and one of the two interrogators, Specialist Joshua R. Claus, 21, picked up a large plastic bottle. But first he punched a hole in the bottom, the interpreter said, so as the prisoner fumbled weakly with the cap, the water poured out over his orange prison scrubs. The soldier then grabbed the bottle back and began squirting the water forcefully into Mr. Dilawar's face.

"Come on, drink!" the interpreter said Specialist Claus had shouted, as the prisoner gagged on the spray. "Drink!"

At the interrogators' behest, a guard tried to force the young man to his knees. But his legs, which had been pummeled by guards for several days, could no longer bend. An interrogator told Mr. Dilawar that he could see a doctor after they finished with him. When he was finally sent back to his cell, though, the guards were instructed only to chain the prisoner back to the ceiling.

"Leave him up," one of the guards quoted Specialist Claus as saying.

Several hours passed before an emergency room doctor finally saw Mr. Dilawar. By then he was dead..."

http://nytimes.com/2005/05/20/intern...pagewanted=all

Let's see if Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the war cowards can work up the same amount of outrage about the murder of Mr. Dilawar as they did about a Newsweek story.