It's All Done But The Bowls - The Orange Mane

Nuggets4 · 12-04-2004, 08:22 PM

Name your BCS match-ups.

Orange: OU vs USC
Fiesta: Utah vs Auburn
Rose: Cal vs Michigan
Sugar: Pitt vs Virginia Tech

CBF1 · 12-04-2004, 08:25 PM

Some pretty good matchups you would think.

I like:
OU over USC
Auburn over Utah
Cal over Michigan
VA Tech over Pitt

Let the bowl games begin

Nuggets4 · 12-04-2004, 08:27 PM

Those were what I would do for BCS bowls. I should have made that clearer CBF1. We won't know for sure until the BRoncos are up 21 tomorrow.

SoCalBronco · 12-04-2004, 08:28 PM

i believe, unfortuneatly, that Texas is now going to get the nod over California with Cal's performance tonight and the fact that they were ahead by only .0013 over Texas going in. I think Cal deserves it more, but from the stuff i have read Texas is going to get the nod.
Orange Bowl: OU vs. U$C
Sugar Bowl: Auburn vs. Virginia Tech
Fiesta Bowl: Utah vs. Pittsburgh
Rose Bowl: Michigan vs. Texas

Nuggets4 · 12-04-2004, 08:30 PM

I despise Texas, and that's putting it mildly. Nothing would make me happier than to see them go to the Hotel, Motel, HOLIDAY BOWL! They should save time and re-name it the Mack Brown Bowl.

I think Cal played just tough enough to keep the lead.

Garcia Bronco · 12-04-2004, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4

Name your BCS match-ups.

Orange: OU vs USC
Fiesta: Utah vs Auburn
Rose: Cal vs Michigan
Sugar: Pitt vs Virginia Tech

Auburn and Virginia Tech will play in the Sugar Bowl. And I think Texas and Pitt will play in the Fiesta Bowl

Nuggets4 · 12-04-2004, 08:35 PM

Garcia, you're gonna bump the undefeated Utes?

Garcia Bronco · 12-04-2004, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4

Garcia, you're gonna bump the undefeated Utes?

Sep 2 vs Texas A&M W, 41-21
Sep 11 at Arizona W, 23-6
Sep 18 at Utah State W, 48-6
Sep 25 vs Air Force W, 49-35
Oct 1 at New Mexico W, 28-7
Oct 16 vs North Carolina W, 46-16
Oct 23 vs UNLV W, 63-28
Oct 30 at San Diego State W, 51-28
Nov 6 vs Colorado State W, 63-31
Nov 13 at Wyoming W, 45-28
Nov 20 vs BYU W, 52-21

They scored a ton of points....but they don't play anybody....I'd barely put them behind Louisville... but I'm just trying to figure out which was their toughest game. Their two toughest games where at home against A&M and UNC? Naw dude....got to bump'em.

Sideburn · 12-04-2004, 08:36 PM

Oh yeah, hey Garcia. Congrats on your hokies. Pretty solid team.

Garcia Bronco · 12-04-2004, 08:37 PM

I just don't think Utah...or Boise State play anybody....they played one ranked opponent between them...and that was Utah according to ESPN...but I can't find which one it is. Louisville on the other hand played slightly tougher comp...but you have to give them props for dipping into several different tougher conferences and winning.

SoCalBronco · 12-04-2004, 08:38 PM

garcia, utah is assured a spot in a BCS bowl because they were a non bcs conference team that finished in the top 6.

Garcia Bronco · 12-04-2004, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

garcia, utah is assured a spot in a BCS bowl because they were a non bcs conference team that finished in the top 6.

They might not be number 6 tomorrow.

Nuggets4 · 12-04-2004, 08:47 PM

UNC is NOT a good football team, I'm not sure I'd mention them as tough. IMO, CSU and AFA are both better teams.

aTm is a pretty damn good team IMO as well. I see your points though. It's hard. I'm blinded by my hatred of Texas and the fact that Utah is undefeated. The schedule isn't necessarily their fault. It's like Gonzaga in basketball. I think if you're undefeated you should get an automatic BCS bid. Yes, that means Boise State too. You can't blame them when their conference sucks.

Plus, Texas sucks.

Garcia Bronco · 12-04-2004, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4

UNC is NOT a good football team, I'm not sure I'd mention them as tough. IMO, CSU and AFA are both better teams.

aTm is a pretty damn good team IMO as well. I see your points though. It's hard. I'm blinded by my hatred of Texas and the fact that Utah is undefeated. The schedule isn't necessarily their fault. It's like Gonzaga in basketball. I think if you're undefeated you should get an automatic BCS bid. Yes, that means Boise State too. You can't blame them when their conference sucks.

Plus, Texas sucks.

A&M is only good at College Station...Home of the 12-Man (tm)...they can't take that show on the road.
All I'm saying is if you put the top ten teams excluding Boise, Louisville, and Utah...and put them in the WAC, MWC, and CUSA...IMO...8 of those ten teams would go un-beaten.

Texas does suck...they don't play anybody either.

Garcia Bronco · 12-04-2004, 08:49 PM

Espin projections

Orange: OU vs USC
Sugar: AU vs VT
Rose: Mich vs Cal/Tex
Chips: Utah vs Pitt

Crushaholic · 12-04-2004, 08:56 PM

There's no way that Utah can be bumped out of the BCS. Particularly when it gives the announcers the opportunity to point out, as often as they can, how Urban abandoned his team...

Nuggets4 · 12-04-2004, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

There's no way that Utah can be bumped out of the BCS. Particularly when it gives the announcers the opportunity to point out, as often as they can, how Urban abandoned his team...

Garcia, I think we agree on this, we're just bad at explaining it (or at least I am). Ultimately, I think we all know the answer is an 8 game playoff.

SoCalBronco · 12-04-2004, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4

Garcia, I think we agree on this, we're just bad at explaining it (or at least I am). Ultimately, I think we all know the answer is an 8 game playoff.

i would very much like that. sure there will be teams at no. 9 who are b****ing but to make this tournament you have to have a real argument that you could be the best team in america and no team ranked around no. 9 can make that. an 8 team playoff would be great. The problem is college presidents would never ever vote for it. The bowl system provides monies given to mid-tier schools and even upper tier schools who arent consistently top 10. Way too many schools would be losing way too much money with an 8 game playoff so they will never buy it even though it would be the most equitable way of finding a real champ.

TexanBob · 12-05-2004, 01:23 AM

An eight-team playoff of the top ranked CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS would be my solution. What the BCS is right now would choose the eight teams and seed them. The first round played at the higher seeds' home field and the next two rounds in the rotation of major bowls. If done according to Saturday's BCS poll:

#8 seed Michigan (Big 11 Champ) at #1 seed USC (Pac 10 Champ).
#7 seed Virginia Tech (ACC Champ) at #2 seed Oklahoma (Big 12 Champ)
#6 seed Louisville (C-USA Champ) at #3 seed Auburn (SEC Champ)
#5 seed Boise St. (WAC Champ) at #4 seed Utah (MWC Champ).

Notre Dame would be treated as a conference unto themselves. Now you've eliminated every excuse. You must win your conference title to go to the tournament. You must be one of the top eight conference champions according to the BCS standings to go to the tournament. No conference gets an automatic berth. Every conference champion has to earn their way in (big and small alike). There are no "at large" berths so there is no decision making to be done. From there, it's strictly brackets.

SoCalBronco · 12-05-2004, 01:32 AM

texanbob the only problem with this approach is that there will be many a deserving team left out in favor of weak conference champs. Almost every year, the no. 2 and no. 3 and sometimes no. 4 ranked teams in the big conferences are just as good if not better than some of the mid major conference champions. This will kill top tier teams in the SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12. Perhaps the better approach, if you want to maintain the requirement that winning the conference gets an automatic bid is to apply that rule only to the winners of the Big 10, SEC, ACC, Big 12 and Pac 10. That establishes five seeds. This leaves 3 wildcards that can go perhaps to the 3 remaining highest ranked teams whether they be a mid major champ or a major conference power that has had a very good season but just came up a bit short in their bid for the conference title or in the alternative Notre Dame should they be ranked among the top 3 remaining teams.

Nuggets4 · 12-05-2004, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

texanbob the only problem with this approach is that there will be many a deserving team left out in favor of weak conference champs. Almost every year, the no. 2 and no. 3 and sometimes no. 4 ranked teams in the big conferences are just as good if not better than some of the mid major conference champions.

You know what, I'm gonna say the same thing I said when both Nebraska and Oklahoma played in the National Championship game without being Conference champions -- You're not the best in your conference, you don't deserve to play to be the best in the league.

Arkie · 12-05-2004, 07:49 AM

Go with a 16 team playoff: 11 conference winners and 5 at-large bids.
Four rounds of college football playoffs.

Instead of March Madness, it will be December Disarray!

1) USC (Pac-10 Champs)
16) North Texas (Sun Belt Champs)

8) Boise St. (Wac Champs)
9) Louisville (Conf USA Champ)

5) Texas (at-large)
12) Virginia Tech (ACC Champ)

4) California (at-large)
13) Michigan (Big 10 Champ)

6) Utah (Mtn. West Champs)
11) LSU (at-large)

3) Auburn (SEC Champs)
14) Boston College (Big East Champ)

7) Georgia (at-large)
10) Miami (at-large)

2) Oklahoma (Big 12 Champ)
15) Toledo (Mid-Amer. Champs)

Garcia Bronco · 12-05-2004, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosko

Go with a 16 team playoff: 11 conference winners and 5 at-large bids.
Four rounds of college football playoffs.

Instead of March Madness, it will be December Disarray!

1) USC (Pac-10 Champs)
16) North Texas (Sun Belt Champs)

8) Boise St. (Wac Champs)
9) Louisville (Conf USA Champ)

5) Texas (at-large)
12) Virginia Tech (ACC Champ)

4) California (at-large)
13) Michigan (Big 10 Champ)

6) Utah (Mtn. West Champs)
11) LSU (at-large)

3) Auburn (SEC Champs)
14) Boston College (Big East Champ)

7) Georgia (at-large)
10) Miami (at-large)

2) Oklahoma (Big 12 Champ)
15) Toledo (Mid-Amer. Champs)

I could dig a playoff of 16...better than 8 IMO....but I don't think the seating should be decided by sports writers and coaches.....there needs to be a different seating process in place. Why people think sports writers or coaches should have any say at all is ridiculous.

Sideburn · 12-05-2004, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosko

Go with a 16 team playoff: 11 conference winners and 5 at-large bids.
Four rounds of college football playoffs.

Instead of March Madness, it will be December Disarray!

1) USC (Pac-10 Champs)
16) North Texas (Sun Belt Champs)

8) Boise St. (Wac Champs)
9) Louisville (Conf USA Champ)

5) Texas (at-large)
12) Virginia Tech (ACC Champ)

4) California (at-large)
13) Michigan (Big 10 Champ)

6) Utah (Mtn. West Champs)
11) LSU (at-large)

3) Auburn (SEC Champs)
14) Boston College (Big East Champ)

7) Georgia (at-large)
10) Miami (at-large)

2) Oklahoma (Big 12 Champ)
15) Toledo (Mid-Amer. Champs)

Those are some nice matchups down the line. Utah/Lsu is a good matchup to start with, then the winner would take on Auburn. Thats excitement right there.

12-04-2004, 08:36 PM	#9
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12-04-2004, 08:38 PM	#11
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,319 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	garcia, utah is assured a spot in a BCS bowl because they were a non bcs conference team that finished in the top 6. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

12-05-2004, 01:32 AM	#20
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,319 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	texanbob the only problem with this approach is that there will be many a deserving team left out in favor of weak conference champs. Almost every year, the no. 2 and no. 3 and sometimes no. 4 ranked teams in the big conferences are just as good if not better than some of the mid major conference champions. This will kill top tier teams in the SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12. Perhaps the better approach, if you want to maintain the requirement that winning the conference gets an automatic bid is to apply that rule only to the winners of the Big 10, SEC, ACC, Big 12 and Pac 10. That establishes five seeds. This leaves 3 wildcards that can go perhaps to the 3 remaining highest ranked teams whether they be a mid major champ or a major conference power that has had a very good season but just came up a bit short in their bid for the conference title or in the alternative Notre Dame should they be ranked among the top 3 remaining teams. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

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12-04-2004, 08:22 PM	#1
Nuggets4 Requisite Nugs Die-Hard Buffaloes, Buffaloes, Go C-U! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 4,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: Allen Iverson	It's All Done But The Bowls Name your BCS match-ups. Orange: OU vs USC Fiesta: Utah vs Auburn Rose: Cal vs Michigan Sugar: Pitt vs Virginia Tech

12-04-2004, 08:25 PM	#2
CBF1 Ring of Famer No avatar is the new avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,907 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jack Del rio	Some pretty good matchups you would think. I like: OU over USC Auburn over Utah Cal over Michigan VA Tech over Pitt Let the bowl games begin

12-04-2004, 08:27 PM	#3
Nuggets4 Requisite Nugs Die-Hard Buffaloes, Buffaloes, Go C-U! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 4,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: Allen Iverson	Those were what I would do for BCS bowls. I should have made that clearer CBF1. We won't know for sure until the BRoncos are up 21 tomorrow.

12-04-2004, 08:28 PM	#4
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,319 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	i believe, unfortuneatly, that Texas is now going to get the nod over California with Cal's performance tonight and the fact that they were ahead by only .0013 over Texas going in. I think Cal deserves it more, but from the stuff i have read Texas is going to get the nod. Orange Bowl: OU vs. U$C Sugar Bowl: Auburn vs. Virginia Tech Fiesta Bowl: Utah vs. Pittsburgh Rose Bowl: Michigan vs. Texas __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

12-04-2004, 08:30 PM	#5
Nuggets4 Requisite Nugs Die-Hard Buffaloes, Buffaloes, Go C-U! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 4,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: Allen Iverson	I despise Texas, and that's putting it mildly. Nothing would make me happier than to see them go to the Hotel, Motel, HOLIDAY BOWL! They should save time and re-name it the Mack Brown Bowl. I think Cal played just tough enough to keep the lead.

12-04-2004, 08:35 PM	#7
Nuggets4 Requisite Nugs Die-Hard Buffaloes, Buffaloes, Go C-U! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 4,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: Allen Iverson	Garcia, you're gonna bump the undefeated Utes?

12-04-2004, 08:37 PM	#10
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	I just don't think Utah...or Boise State play anybody....they played one ranked opponent between them...and that was Utah according to ESPN...but I can't find which one it is. Louisville on the other hand played slightly tougher comp...but you have to give them props for dipping into several different tougher conferences and winning.

12-04-2004, 08:47 PM	#13
Nuggets4 Requisite Nugs Die-Hard Buffaloes, Buffaloes, Go C-U! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 4,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: Allen Iverson	UNC is NOT a good football team, I'm not sure I'd mention them as tough. IMO, CSU and AFA are both better teams. aTm is a pretty damn good team IMO as well. I see your points though. It's hard. I'm blinded by my hatred of Texas and the fact that Utah is undefeated. The schedule isn't necessarily their fault. It's like Gonzaga in basketball. I think if you're undefeated you should get an automatic BCS bid. Yes, that means Boise State too. You can't blame them when their conference sucks. Plus, Texas sucks.

12-04-2004, 08:49 PM	#15
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Espin projections Orange: OU vs USC Sugar: AU vs VT Rose: Mich vs Cal/Tex Chips: Utah vs Pitt

12-04-2004, 08:56 PM	#16
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,044	There's no way that Utah can be bumped out of the BCS. Particularly when it gives the announcers the opportunity to point out, as often as they can, how Urban abandoned his team...

12-05-2004, 01:23 AM	#19
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	An eight-team playoff of the top ranked CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS would be my solution. What the BCS is right now would choose the eight teams and seed them. The first round played at the higher seeds' home field and the next two rounds in the rotation of major bowls. If done according to Saturday's BCS poll: #8 seed Michigan (Big 11 Champ) at #1 seed USC (Pac 10 Champ). #7 seed Virginia Tech (ACC Champ) at #2 seed Oklahoma (Big 12 Champ) #6 seed Louisville (C-USA Champ) at #3 seed Auburn (SEC Champ) #5 seed Boise St. (WAC Champ) at #4 seed Utah (MWC Champ). Notre Dame would be treated as a conference unto themselves. Now you've eliminated every excuse. You must win your conference title to go to the tournament. You must be one of the top eight conference champions according to the BCS standings to go to the tournament. No conference gets an automatic berth. Every conference champion has to earn their way in (big and small alike). There are no "at large" berths so there is no decision making to be done. From there, it's strictly brackets.

12-05-2004, 07:49 AM	#22
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,086 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	Go with a 16 team playoff: 11 conference winners and 5 at-large bids. Four rounds of college football playoffs. Instead of March Madness, it will be December Disarray! 1) USC (Pac-10 Champs) 16) North Texas (Sun Belt Champs) 8) Boise St. (Wac Champs) 9) Louisville (Conf USA Champ) 5) Texas (at-large) 12) Virginia Tech (ACC Champ) 4) California (at-large) 13) Michigan (Big 10 Champ) 6) Utah (Mtn. West Champs) 11) LSU (at-large) 3) Auburn (SEC Champs) 14) Boston College (Big East Champ) 7) Georgia (at-large) 10) Miami (at-large) 2) Oklahoma (Big 12 Champ) 15) Toledo (Mid-Amer. Champs)