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Old 07-14-2004, 11:37 AM   #1
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Default "I'm the greatest QB in the game today" - Peyton Manning

Tough to argue against him... although he's not my pick.

McNair.
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Old 07-14-2004, 11:41 AM   #2
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Where did this come from? 3rd on my list.

1)Favre
2)McNair
3)Manning

Hell, after this cocky remark (If proven true) he'll fall to the bottom, more than likely underneath Koy Detmer.
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Old 07-14-2004, 11:49 AM   #3
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Where did this come from? 3rd on my list.

1)Favre
2)McNair
3)Manning

Hell, after this cocky remark (If proven true) he'll fall to the bottom, more than likely underneath Koy Detmer.
haha favre. neone else would have been castrated for throwing away a playoff game like he did. but no, not favre.
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Old 07-14-2004, 11:53 AM   #4
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Where did this come from? 3rd on my list.

1)Favre
2)McNair
3)Manning

Hell, after this cocky remark (If proven true) he'll fall to the bottom, more than likely underneath Koy Detmer.
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Old 07-14-2004, 11:44 AM   #5
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Dan Patrick asked him on that hot seat thing they do on sportscenter.

Peyton said if I didn't say I was you'd say, oh c'mon Peyton, you can say yourself.

so he did say himself.

hard to argue, overall he is probably the best right now. He doesn't have the best team around him, but I'd take him over Jake.
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Old 07-14-2004, 06:41 PM   #6
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Dan Patrick asked him on that hot seat thing they do on sportscenter.

Peyton said if I didn't say I was you'd say, oh c'mon Peyton, you can say yourself.

so he did say himself.

hard to argue, overall he is probably the best right now. He doesn't have the best team around him, but I'd take him over Jake.
That is EXACTLY how it went as I was watching as well. It did NOT appear that Manning was being cocky in any way. He just gave his opinion. And, I agree that it's very hard to argue against him being the best.
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I would say he is the best pure QB in the game today... you can't deny him statistically. The only thing lacking from him in the Super Bowl championships... but hell, we really can't knock him for that because it took Elway so long to get his championships and I still thought of him as the best QB during his time. As for the comparison to McNair, I don't think its even close. Manning blows away McNairs numbers and the Colts also swept the Titans last year in head to head matchups. That was the whole reason Indy won the South division and the Titans did not.
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I would say he is the best pure QB in the game today... you can't deny him statistically. The only thing lacking from him in the Super Bowl championships... but hell, we really can't knock him for that because it took Elway so long to get his championships and I still thought of him as the best QB during his time. As for the comparison to McNair, I don't think its even close. Manning blows away McNairs numbers and the Colts also swept the Titans last year in head to head matchups. That was the whole reason Indy won the South division and the Titans did not.
I agree. Peyton is the best by far.
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I would say he is the best pure QB in the game today... you can't deny him statistically. The only thing lacking from him in the Super Bowl championships... but hell, we really can't knock him for that because it took Elway so long to get his championships and I still thought of him as the best QB during his time. As for the comparison to McNair, I don't think its even close. Manning blows away McNairs numbers and the Colts also swept the Titans last year in head to head matchups. That was the whole reason Indy won the South division and the Titans did not.

Would agree with you on all accounts. He has been saddled with very poor defenses most of his career so far. If Dungy can muster up a top 15 defense for the next couple years I would fully expect him to bring Indy a ring, maybe two.

If McNair were saddled with the Colts D and Manning had the Titans the past several years Manning would probably have a ring or two and McNair's teams would struggle to sniff the playoffs. Just my worthless opinion however.
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Would agree with you on all accounts. He has been saddled with very poor defenses most of his career so far. If Dungy can muster up a top 15 defense for the next couple years I would fully expect him to bring Indy a ring, maybe two.

If McNair were saddled with the Colts D and Manning had the Titans the past several years Manning would probably have a ring or two and McNair's teams would struggle to sniff the playoffs. Just my worthless opinion however.


no way. for starters, Peyton has had a much better offesive line and better wideouts than Mcnair has. secondly, there were many times when Mcnair had to get out of trouble much like John in his heyday just to avoid many sacks. Peyton has no mobility whatsover. Peyton is good, but not THAT good.
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no way. for starters, Peyton has had a much better offesive line and better wideouts than Mcnair has. secondly, there were many times when Mcnair had to get out of trouble much like John in his heyday just to avoid many sacks. Peyton has no mobility whatsover. Peyton is good, but not THAT good.

That is complete garbage. McNair has had some very good offensive lines. Brad Hopkins has been a top notch tackle who has been with him most of his career. Jon Runyan was paired up with Hopkins for several years. Bruce Mathews was on that line for many of the years. Stepnowski came in while still on top of his game. He has had some damn good O Lines. Very solid RB in George a top receiving TE in Wycheck, pro bowl WR in Derrick Mason and a damn good defense keeping scores down and rarely putting him in a position to have to press to keep up.

The Colts O line lead the league in sacks allowed the season before he got there. With virtually no change in the personnel they were among the best in sacks surrendered with Manning under center. Purely cause of his ability to know the offense, the opponents defense and get rid of the ball quickly. That O Line has had zero Pro Bowl players on it. T.Glenn is the closest and he isn't anything special. Manning makes those guys look good, not the other way around. A couple years ago the Colts D gave up an NFL record 31 points per game. If McNair was put in a position to where he had to try and score 32 points just to have a chance to win it would be ugly.

As for the receivers, Manning has had bums like Torrance Small, Terrence Wilkins, Jerome Pathon and journeyman chumps like that as his number 2 WR's most of his career. Harrison is all he has had. Yet the one game Harrison missed was against the Jets and Manning threw for 400 yards and won the game. In addition James blew out his knee and since then has had rookie free agents in the backfield most of the time.

If Manning were throwing to Mason and McNair to Harrison I have a hunch that Mason would be in the elite 3 of WR's instead of Harrison. That is just my opinion but your opinion about McNair having far less talent around him is factually dead wrong.

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If Manning were throwing to Mason and McNair to Harrison I have a hunch that Mason would be in the elite 3 of WR's instead of Harrison. That is just my opinion but your opinion about McNair having far less talent around him is factually dead wrong.
Watching Nappy grovel at Manning's feet is always good for a laugh, but I would hate for this particular paragraph to be lost amid all the acrimony and backbiting on this thread.

Today Nappy tried to tell us that Derrick Mason and Marvin Harrison are basically the same guy, but Marvin lucked out and got drafted by a team with Peyton Manning.

I can hardly wait to see what he comes up with next.......
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no way. for starters, Peyton has had a much better offesive line and better wideouts than Mcnair has. secondly, there were many times when Mcnair had to get out of trouble much like John in his heyday just to avoid many sacks. Peyton has no mobility whatsover. Peyton is good, but not THAT good.
it makes sense a broncos board would think mobility is the key to overperforming or "carrying" a team. u know actually MAKING THE THROWS U SHOULD, is far more important to winning than avoiding a few sacks or pulling a play out of ur ass.
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Sorry Yavoon most of the kidies talking sh*t about Peyton have gone to bed. You're talking to a deaf ear man.
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it makes sense a broncos board would think mobility is the key to overperforming or "carrying" a team. u know actually MAKING THE THROWS U SHOULD, is far more important to winning than avoiding a few sacks or pulling a play out of ur ass.
so what? are you saying that John couldnt make the throws?
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I would say he is the best pure QB in the game today... you can't deny him statistically. The only thing lacking from him in the Super Bowl championships... but hell, we really can't knock him for that because it took Elway so long to get his championships and I still thought of him as the best QB during his time. As for the comparison to McNair, I don't think its even close. Manning blows away McNairs numbers and the Colts also swept the Titans last year in head to head matchups. That was the whole reason Indy won the South division and the Titans did not.
yup, what he said!
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i'd say that payton's the best right now.
this season i think mike vick will really turn his game up a notch, like to see how he woulda done over the course of a full season last year if he hadn't gotten hurt.
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i'd say that payton's the best right now.
this season i think Michael Vick will really turn his game up a notch, like to see how he woulda done over the course of a full season last year if he hadn't gotten hurt.

I would take Vick over Payton any day.. Payton is a little b!
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Old 07-14-2004, 11:59 AM   #19
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I agree with Vavoon and Naptown... although Favre is a great QB, I'll never say the greatest. He just has always had a knack for making a big mistake in crucial times. That INT against Philly in the playoffs last year was the most recent. All one needs to do is look back to Super Bowl 32. Greg Robinson called a great game and Denver totally forced Favre into some bad plays but Favre took a lot of chances and his team got burned because of it. He is a live by the gun/die by the gun type of QB. I doubt Favre wins another championship before he retires... that is just my feelings. He has lost the edge that he had early in his career and his skills have eroded to a point. Injuries are also becoming a factor. I'll be the first to admit being wrong if I am but I doubt Favre walks away with more then one ring.

As for Manning, Naptown I totally agree. If Manning had half a defense in Indy he would be bringing some rings to Indianapolis... the problem is with all the money tied up in him and probably EJ or Harrison this next year its going to be hard to ever build a top notch defense to help Manning get those rings. If there was a year to do it, it would be this season if they are going to win... I can see Indy winning this year but after this season its going to be dicey with all the potential free agents they have.

As for McNair, when I think of him, I just think of a very good QB that survives on grit. I don't really think of a great QB or even an MVP. He's fun to watch and he is definately tough but not in the class of a Manning or even a Tom Brady.
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Cripes, why does a seemingly gracious guy gotta go and proclaim something like that? Don't these guys know about pride going before a fall?

I lose respect for players that pull this kind of crap. Try some humility.
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Peyton will always struggle in the post season for two reasons. First, he has no mobility and he's unable to evade a strong pass rush. You have to be pretty lucky to make it through an entire post season without facing a killer defense. Second, he becomes far less effective when you rough him up a bit (like most quarterbacks).

I wouldn't be totally surprised if he finished Ringless, just like Marino, who had the same weaknesses.
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If I'm starting a team, I take Peyton to build around, easily the best QB in the league now, but I'd not pass Tom Brady over because of his intangibles.

McNair and Favre don't have enough gas left in the tank to be good much longer.

McNabb and Vick are alot of show but not much go...
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Donovan McNabb will definitely win a Super Bowl before Peyton Manning.
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Donovan McNabb will definitely win a Super Bowl before Peyton Manning.
mcnabb isnt close the qb manning is. mcnabb might win first, but football is a team sport.

and plenty of immobile qb's have won the superbowl. infact its a near friggin tradition, lets see.

dilfer, warner, brady, johnson, brady. maybe u should argue the other way around, that if u can't really and truly pass the ball and u end up relying on things like scrambling, that defense is just too intense in the playoffs to win consistently.
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