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Old 01-20-2014, 08:16 PM   #1
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Default Extra point change possible in the future?

Hmm, bot sure how I feel about this, they should leave it as is IMO. Heard Goodell on NFLN today, talking about illegal hit penalties being reviewed possibly, and they mentioned there may be a change in the future with extra points...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000315809/article/goodell-believes-penalized-hits-will-become-reviewable.

Could the extra point be in danger? It's not as far-fetched as you might think. "There's one proposal in particular that I've heard about." Goodell said. "It's automatic that you get seven points when you score a touchdown, but you could potentially go for an eighth point either by running or passing the ball, so if you fail, you go back to six."
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Old 01-20-2014, 08:19 PM   #2
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That's not a horrible idea. the extra point is one of the most irrelevant plays in all of sports. It is a given 99.9% of the time. If they are going to continue to bring in more review they need to cut something out. I can't think of a better place to start.
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Old 01-20-2014, 08:22 PM   #3
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I'd be surprised, unless they automatically go to more commercial breaks after a TD. Liek 2 minutes worth of it straight. Right now, score a TD, commercial, kick the extra point, commercial. Kick off, commercial, that's a lot of TV revenue right there, they could miss 1/3 of it.
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Old 01-20-2014, 08:33 PM   #4
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So you want to eliminate a important part of a kickers job and pretty much eliminate kickoffs. What's next? Making people fair catch all punts?
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But we'd never have another moment like this again:

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Old 01-20-2014, 08:54 PM   #6
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I do think the extra point is pretty much automatic, but I don't see why Goodell can't leave well enough alone.

That ****er isn't happy unless he's tinkering the **** around and trying to alter the game.

Listen ginger bush....you've got a serious power complex and won't be happy until you alter the game into your vision of what you want football to look like.

When you make a change like that, it trickles down to every other level of football.

I'm getting tired of red ****ing around with the game like he's been doing.

That ginger mentioned a possible Super Bowl in London in the future....**** off buddy, I'm all for the global market, blah, blah, blah and understand the economic possibilities....but ****ing the fans in our country over by playing the Super Bowl overseas would be a slap in the face.
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I actually don't think this change would be that big of a deal, but I don't think it should be made. They are going to have to change plenty of things in coming years for safety reasons. Please just leave some traditions be if there isn't a safety reason to change them.
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Old 01-20-2014, 09:13 PM   #8
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Why not just make them kick the extra point from farther away if it is too automatic?
They changed the kick-off distance supposedly to make it safer, so the distance of a kick isn't cast in concrete.
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Like some others, I don't think it's a bad idea, at least for consideration.

I don't have a big problem with Goodell. It doesn't hurt to discuss points of the game and consider options.

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Why not just make them kick the extra point from farther away if it is too automatic?
They changed the kick-off distance supposedly to make it safer, so the distance of a kick isn't cast in concrete.
At first read, this is a very interesting idea.
However, this would change the game even more than Goodell's idea. More missed kicked extra points would encourage more 2 point attempts. TD's would much more often result in 6 or 8 points. I still like the idea though. Even 5 yards back makes a decent difference.
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Why not just make them kick the extra point from farther away if it is too automatic?
They changed the kick-off distance supposedly to make it safer, so the distance of a kick isn't cast in concrete.
The Extra Point Is On Its Way Out



t may not happen next year, it may not happen within five years, but it will happen, and the NFL's top man is on board: Roger Goodell says the Competition Committee has a number of proposals to do away with the extra point, and he's a fan of one in particular.

The extra point is an anachronism, a vestige of a time when it wasn't a gimme. In 1932, for example, kickers successfully converted PATs just 67 percent of the time. In 1974, when the goalposts were moved to the back of the end zone, the success rate hovered around 90 percent. And since 1984, when defenders were prohibited from taking running leaps, it hasn't been below 95 percent. (In 2013, kickers were 1,256 for 1,261 on PATs, a whopping 99.6 percent accuracy rate.)

Here's a stunning graph that shows the steady increase in accuracy for both field goals and extra points over the years, but the point is clear—it's too easy, and kickers are too good.



In an appearance on NFL Network yesterday, Goodell agreed that the PAT is almost a useless, "automatic" play at this point. ("The penny of the NFL," Rich Eisen called it, and I think that's spot-on.) It adds nothing, runs a barely nonzero risk of failure, and a higher risk of injury. And among the ideas to do away with it, Goodell singled out one.

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"There's one proposal in particular that I've heard about," Goodell went on. "It's automatic that you get seven points when you score a touchdown, but you could potentially go for an eighth point, either by running or passing the ball, so if you fail, you go back to six."
This seems simple and fair. Assume the PAT will be a success, so award the extra point without even running the play. It would preserve the familiar seven-point scoring block, but still allow for teams to go double-or-nothing on a two-point conversion.

But it's not the only option to reform the extra point. Some others have been tossed around, and could bring a little excitement back to the play:
  • Take a page from rugby. The PAT is already a holdover from the "conversion," worth two points in rugby (the NFL rulebook still calls it a "try"). So why not adopt rugby's practice of taking the kick not from between the hash marks, but from wherever the touchdown was scored? If a team crosses the goal line just in-bounds, force them to take the PAT from the two-yard line at that spot; the angle will be sharp and the target smaller.

  • Move the line of scrimmage back. The linked chart above shows the success rate for 30-39 yard field goals to be just under 90 percent, or about as easy as the PAT was in the 1970s. If teams have to convert the extra point from the 20 or the 25, instead of the 2, it'll no longer be a given.

  • Make the player who scored the touchdown kick the PAT. My personal favorite, because chaos. Marshawn Lynch ran the ball in for six points? He's got to get the seventh too. This will never happen, because you can just picture Peyton Manning tearing a quad attempting a placekick, but I very badly want it to, if just for the occasional offensive lineman touchdown.

Weaning ourselves off the PAT will be difficult, and maybe painful. The extra point has been a part of American football from the very beginning, and change is hard, but we can do it. It's only been 20 years since the two-point conversion fundamentally changed NFL scoring, and now we can barely remember life without it.

As a preliminary eulogy, let's relive the most exciting extra point of all time.

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Old 01-20-2014, 09:14 PM   #11
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Is there any other sports league where the rules constantly change like NFL? So weird. But this won't happen.
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Old 01-21-2014, 06:40 PM   #12
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Is there any other sports league where the rules constantly change like NFL? So weird. But this won't happen.
This is actually very similar to what just happened in baseball. They outlawed the pickoff move where the pitcher fakes to 3rd and then looks to 1st. Fans would boo relentlessly, but I actually hate the rule change for several reasons. For one, it only delays the game by like 15 seconds (whereas they can still do as many pickoffs in a row as they want). Most importantly, the move isn't even about trying to throw out the guy at 1st: it's to keep him honest on double steal attempts because he has to wait till the pitcher goes home instead of first movement. So it actually is always effective even if noone gets thrown out.

But as for the part that really relates to this football rule: SOMETIMES THE PLAY ACTUALLY WORKS!! 99.9% is not 100%. I've seen baserunners on 1st get picked off by that move, and I've seen missed extra points. I mean we only have to go back to Week 14: Detroit and Philly were going for 2 every time, and when Detroit actually tried to kick it (might have been a FG), they missed. Made the game way more interesting than just giving them 7 every time. And even in good weather we've all seen missed and blocked PAT's, and they are not only hilarious but can completely change a game.
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Old 01-20-2014, 10:01 PM   #13
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this the same idiot who wants to expand the playoffs to include 4 more teams in the playoffs
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Goodell was on NFLN explaing the EP thing. A theory being bounced around is you score, it is an automatic 7. Unless you go for 8. If you get the conversion, you get 8. If you fail the conversion, you get 6.

...They are going full retard in New York.

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Old 01-20-2014, 11:26 PM   #15
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Just make the extra point a kick from the 30 yard line, don't over think it. The refs screw **** up enough already don't add math (I know the refs don't add up the scores)
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Goodell was on NFLN explaing the EP thing. A theory being bounced around is you score, it is an automatic 7. Unless you go for 8. If you get the conversion, you get 8. If you fail the conversion, you get 6.

...They are going full retard in New York.

I actually don't think it's a bad idea. Scoring would be exactly the same. If a team decides to go for 2.....then they would still end up with either 6 or 8 points, just as they would now.

It only eliminates actually kicking the XP.....which as we say, is practically automatic anyway.

We know the Pats will be for doing away with it.......I believe Gronk broke his forearm on an XP play.
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I watched the same interview and he also mentioned that every play should be exciting, and the extra point kick is not. He also said that 6 out of 1,200 extra points this regular season missed. Not sure if that is accurate, just regurgitating what Goodell said.
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I watched the same interview and he also mentioned that every play should be exciting, and the extra point kick is not. He also said that 6 out of 1,200 extra points this regular season missed. Not sure if that is accurate, just regurgitating what Goodell said.
Every play exciting? I guess to Goodell nothing is more exciting than a touchback!
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I watched the same interview and he also mentioned that every play should be exciting, and the extra point kick is not. He also said that 6 out of 1,200 extra points this regular season missed. Not sure if that is accurate, just regurgitating what Goodell said.
How many games are decided by an extra point? Say the score is 20-14 so a TD and extra point wins. The defense fights their ass off trying to keep them out of the end zone. In this case the extra point puts a stamp on the winning drive.

Don't fix it if it isn't broken.
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I actually don't think it's a bad idea. Scoring would be exactly the same. If a team decides to go for 2.....then they would still end up with either 6 or 8 points, just as they would now.

It only eliminates actually kicking the XP.....which as we say, is practically automatic anyway.

We know the Pats will be for doing away with it.......I believe Gronk broke his forearm on an XP play.

We won a game outright against Cinci because they missed an extra point. If the Pats are for it then should we not be automatically against it?


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We won a game outright against Cinci because they missed an extra point. If the Pats are for it then should we not be automatically against it?


Touche.
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Instead of tinkering with the rules, and messing with all of the deep knowledge of 7's and 3's that most football fans have accumulated over the years (3, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 17, 20, 21) I think he should just focus on having a full season of games over in London each year.

There are 32 teams in the NFL. Each team should have to play one of its games over in London @ Wembley stadium. This means there would be 16 games in London during a 16-game season. British fans with season tickets would get to see every team once.
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Instead of tinkering with the rules, and messing with all of the deep knowledge of 7's and 3's that most football fans have accumulated over the years (3, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 17, 20, 21) I think he should just focus on having a full season of games over in London each year.

There are 32 teams in the NFL. Each team should have to play one of its games over in London @ Wembley stadium. This means there would be 16 games in London during a 16-game season. British fans with season tickets would get to see every team once.
This is a horrible idea........
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This is a horrible idea........
X eleventy billion! I hate 1 game in London each year. This is the National Football League, not the World Football League.
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This is stupid. It's been a long time part of the game, why change it. Sure it's pretty much a guarantee that it will be made, but what is it hurting to do it? What's being solved? Less boring? The kick barely takes any time to do. It's not like we are waiting hours for the kick to take place.
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