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Old 12-30-2013, 05:50 AM   #1
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"Der Spiegel reported on Sunday that the NSA’s “Tailored Access Operations” (TAO) has been diverting desktops and laptops shipped to U.S. consumers and installing spyware on them.

According to the report, the process, which TAO calls “interdiction,” involves intercepting packages on their way from manufacturers like Dell, Cisco, and Seagate, and installing bugs or spyware on them at a “secret workshop.”

The packages are then reintroduced into the delivery pipeline and arrive at their destination without the consumer ever realizing their machine has been compromised"
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Old 12-30-2013, 06:30 AM   #2
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Wouldn't surprise me. It was things like this that liberals foamed at the mouth about, but these days they'd rather pretend it isn't happening since it ruins the narrative that these things don't happen when democrats are in charge.
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Old 12-31-2013, 05:45 AM   #4
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If you don’t live under a rock (though you may want to now) you probably saw yesterday’s article from Spiegel that revealed the NSA has its own catalog for spy gadgets. Today they released an interactive graphic with the catalog’s contents, and even if you’re not a regular reader of Hacking & Philosophy, you’re going to want to take a look at it. I recommend glancing over IRATEMONK, in the “Computer Hardware” category. As the article explains, IRATEMONK is

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…[installs] hardware units on a targeted computer by, for example, intercepting the device when it’s first being delivered to its intended recipient, a process the NSA calls ‘interdiction.’
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Again, this is an issue the liberals have suddenly have no interest about. Before Obama took office, just the liberals around here devoted countless threads about this, not to mention the liberals in the media and other outlets. But the NSA and our government can do about anything now with their silence. They instead would rather rehash their phony race and gay rights support, talk about Santa's color or firing people off some reality show. The liberals are showing just what I have been saying about them for years, but these "geniuses" would rather pretend they are so complex in their thinking. Yeah, whatever. Their main contribution to these subjects is to attack posters since they are afraid to comment on these matters without looking like hypocritical fools to even themselves.
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:47 AM   #7
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Again, this is an issue the liberals have suddenly have no interest about. Before Obama took office, just the liberals around here devoted countless threads about this, not to mention the liberals in the media and other outlets. But the NSA and our government can do about anything now with their silence. They instead would rather rehash their phony race and gay rights support, talk about Santa's color or firing people off some reality show. The liberals are showing just what I have been saying about them for years, but these "geniuses" would rather pretend they are so complex in their thinking. Yeah, whatever. Their main contribution to these subjects is to attack posters since they are afraid to comment on these matters without looking like hypocritical fools to even themselves.
You're absolutely right. It was just the liberals complaining about it. Now Obama's in office and all the sudden it's an issue for conservatives.

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You're absolutely right. It was just the liberals complaining about it. Now Obama's in office and all the sudden it's an issue for conservatives.

, like I stated, liberals avoiding it.
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, like I stated, liberals avoiding it.
Check post history.

Fail.
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Check post history.

Fail.
Yes, the amount of threads and posts from liberals is just staggering, especially when compared before 2009. Talk about fail. More like the usual liberal routine, "gee, I don't think I like this, but did you hear what the Duck Dynasty guy said?"
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:49 AM   #11
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It's official. Obama is a communist. Those that support Obama are communists.
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This story sounds like bull**** and a complete waste of time.
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Only to fascists.
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It wouldn't work on some people. For example, I reload a new machine when I get it and typically have to upgrade the BIOS as well. So any "spyware" on there would get blanked. Plus, this doesn't sound directed at particualr people...making it an even bigger waste of time.
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It wouldn't work on some people. For example, I reload a new machine when I get it and typically have to upgrade the BIOS as well. So any "spyware" on there would get blanked.
Unless, of course, the BIOS or other hardware/firmware has been swapped or otherwise compromised.

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I'm with you, I doubt this was some widespread thing. I would bet it happens for "persons of interest" though.
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Now you guys know me, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. That said, we all know that the government collects phone and internet records from everyone. This particular procedure sounds like it would be fairly inefficient, but I would not doubt for one second that each one of us has some form of government-sourced spyware on our computers, tablets or phones, and given that things like voice recognition technology had existed long before they were available to the public, I wouldn't be surprised if said spyware is virtually undetectable to most members of the general public.

We're all persons of interest.
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Now you guys know me, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. That said, we all know that the government collects phone and internet records from everyone. This particular procedure sounds like it would be fairly inefficient, but I would not doubt for one second that each one of us has some form of government-sourced spyware on our computers, tablets or phones, and given that things like voice recognition technology had existed long before they were available to the public, I wouldn't be surprised if said spyware is virtually undetectable to most members of the general public.

We're all persons of interest.
They already have back doors, etc. being built in by the makers. No need to go to any extra effort for more detailed info except high priority targets.

Have you read about the RSA being paid off to compromise their own encryption technologies (which are what are used everywhere on the internet)?
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Now you guys know me, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. That said, we all know that the government collects phone and internet records from everyone. This particular procedure sounds like it would be fairly inefficient, but I would not doubt for one second that each one of us has some form of government-sourced spyware on our computers, tablets or phones, and given that things like voice recognition technology had existed long before they were available to the public, I wouldn't be surprised if said spyware is virtually undetectable to most members of the general public.

We're all persons of interest.
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Unless, of course, the BIOS or other hardware/firmware has been swapped or otherwise compromised.



I'm with you, I doubt this was some widespread thing. I would bet it happens for "persons of interest" though.
This.

Way too expensive to do in any kind of blanket, systematic way. Also, if every piece of hardware bound for the US retail market had to be funneled through a "black" facility first -

how would you propose to keep a thing like that under wraps?
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Way too expensive to do in any kind of blanket, systematic way. Also, if every piece of hardware bound for the US retail market had to be funneled through a "black" facility first -

how would you propose to keep a thing like that under wraps?
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Way too expensive to do in any kind of blanket, systematic way. Also, if every piece of hardware bound for the US retail market had to be funneled through a "black" facility first -

how would you propose to keep a thing like that under wraps?
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpos...20&postcount=5

What about having requirements for backdoors into technology? That is happening.

As far as expense, it doesn't matter. You've seen the Utah NSA data center, no? The Ed Snowden/NSA story states that it is blank surveillance.
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Unless, of course, the BIOS or other hardware/firmware has been swapped or otherwise compromised.



I'm with you, I doubt this was some widespread thing. I would bet it happens for "persons of interest" though.
Uhm, you do realize the NSA is collecting data on EVERYONE, right? I mean that's the whole Ed Snowden story.
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Uhm, you do realize the NSA is collecting data on EVERYONE, right? I mean that's the whole Ed Snowden story.
.. for which they don't need to intercept every shipped computing device to do, like I said.
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Unless, of course, the BIOS or other hardware/firmware has been swapped or otherwise compromised.

Right....but once I over-write it with a new version. this is all possible just an extremely ridiculous vector to take toward stealing money or infomation. There are many other ways that would bear more fruit with less effort.
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It wouldn't work on some people. For example, I reload a new machine when I get it and typically have to upgrade the BIOS as well. So any "spyware" on there would get blanked. Plus, this doesn't sound directed at particualr people...making it an even bigger waste of time.
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpos...20&postcount=5

You aren't doing anything to hardware on hard-drives, are ya?
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