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Old 12-14-2013, 06:14 PM   #1
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Default How many of our 2013 starters would start for the 97 team?

Von, Woodyard and maybe Harris at the Nickel but thats all I got...

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Old 12-14-2013, 06:17 PM   #2
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Sharpe, TD, Atwater, Mobley, Neil Smith, Most of the OL, just off the top of my head
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Old 12-14-2013, 06:21 PM   #3
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Manning?
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Old 12-14-2013, 06:24 PM   #4
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lol read that backwards.. disregaurd.
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Old 12-14-2013, 06:27 PM   #5
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Well we know none of the '97 Broncos could start for this team as they're just way too old now.
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Old 12-14-2013, 06:42 PM   #6
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Are you talking about the second Super Bowl team?

If so,

DRC is probably just as good as Crockett or Gordon, if not better. Darius Johnston had two picks in the Super Bowl, but Haris is probably better. And Von would be the best player on the Defense if he wasn't fat and they used him right; maybe slide Romo to MLB and Von takes Cadrez's spot.

The offense is where it gets real tricky. QB. Nope I'm not going to entertain it. You could find some way to get Clady and Vasquez to start for that team. But I'm not sure you could take the WRs off the field considering the offense they ran. They blocked like beasts.

Special teams, I'll take both their kickers now, but Darien Gordon gets a huge nod over Holliday. I don't remember ever being terrified with Gordon back there.

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Old 12-14-2013, 07:59 PM   #7
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Are you talking about the second Super Bowl team?

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DRC is probably just as good as Crockett or Gordon, if not better. Darius Johnston had two picks in the Super Bowl, but Haris is probably better. And Von would be the best player on the Defense if he wasn't fat and they used him right; maybe slide Romo to MLB and Von takes Cadrez's spot.

The offense is where it gets real tricky. QB. Nope I'm not going to entertain it. You could find some way to get Clady and Vasquez to start for that team. But I'm not sure you could take the WRs off the field considering the offense they ran. They blocked like beasts.

Special teams, I'll take both their kickers now, but Darien Gordon gets a huge nod over Holliday. I don't remember ever being terrified with Gordon back there.
DRC and Harris would have certainly started over Gordon and Crockett.....btw, it was Gordon who had two picks in the SB vs. Falcons
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Old 12-14-2013, 06:49 PM   #8
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Second thought, give me Elam over Prater. I would just be more comfortable with Elam with the game on the line.
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Second thought, give me Elam over Prater. I would just be more comfortable with Elam with the game on the line.
Prater is clutch. He's as good as there's ever been with the game on the line.

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• A seventh-year kicker who ranks first in franchise history in field goal accuracy having converted 134-of-163 (.822) attempts in his first six seasons with the Broncos.
• Converted 45-of-48 (.938) career field goals in the fourth quarter in addition to connecting on all four of his attempts in overtime.
• Set an NFL record with a 64-yard filed goal vs. Tennessee (12/8/13).
• Owns the best field goal percentage from 50+ yards (.769/ 20-of-26) in league history among players who started their career after 1970 (min. 20 att.)
• Owns four AFC Special Teams Player of the Week awards (2008, ‘09, ‘11, ‘12) and two AFC Special Teams Player of the Month honors (Sept. ‘09, Dec./Jan. ‘11) for his NFL career.
• Set a franchise kicker record with 133 points scored (26/32 FGs, 55/55 PATs) and led the NFL with 65 touchbacks on kickoffs in 2012.
• Delivered four game-winning field goals on the last play of the game in 2011 (3 in OT, 1 on last play of regulation) to tie for the second most in a single season in NFL history.
• Joined Mike Vanderjagt as the only two players in NFL history to kick a 50+yard field goal with less than a minute remaining in regulation to force overtime in addition to converting a 50+yard game-winning field goal in overtime with his performance vs. Chicago (12/11/11).
• Made 16-of-18 field goals in 2010 to represent the second-highest single-season field goal percentage (.889) in team history (min. 10 att.).
• Converted 18 consecutive field goal attempts, spanning the last eight games in 2009 and the first six contests in 2010, to represent the third-longest such streak in Broncos history.
• Tied the Broncos’ single-season record and ranked fourth in the NFL with five 50-yard field goals, including a career-long 56-yarder as well as two 50-yarders in one game, in 2008.
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Old 12-14-2013, 06:58 PM   #10
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I'd take the above over respective present starters in a hot minute.
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Elway
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Rod Smith
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Zimmerman
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Nalen
Atwater
Neil Smith

I'd take the above over respective present starters in a hot minute.
Tony Jones and Howard Griffith were both pro bowlers and dont forget about Alfred williams, Romo, Traylor, Aldridge, Braxton
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Tony Jones and Howard Griffith were both pro bowlers and dont forget about Alfred williams, Romo, Traylor, Aldridge, Braxton
I didn't forget them. I said specifically who was superior at respective positions. Everyone else is a wash at best.
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Elway and Manning is a toss up. Elway was perfect for his offense, and Manning, his.

The 97 OL was way better, esp. at run blocking, but they were healthy too. A Clady-less '13 OL is really handicapped in what they can do as far as protections; but they are good enough and functional.

TD is a no-brainer over Moreno, but Ball is a way better back up right now over Derick Loville, as we saw in SB 32 when TD went out.

I love Ed & Rod, and I think Willie Green was the slot, but I think DT, Decker, & Welker is better as a unit.

Sharpe over Julius Thomas, but Thomas is 1st year as a starter and will get better.

Howard Griffith vs nobody is a push because this team doesn't have, need, nor use a true FB.

A healthy Vick is better than Michael Dean Perry, but Pot Roast & Keith Traylor may be a push, I'm not sure.

Neil Smith over Wolfe, but a healthy Wolfe would make it closer. Big Al over Shaun Phillips or Ayers, but Phillips wasn't meant to be a starter, to be fair.

John Mobley over Woodyard, but I'll take Von & Trevathan over Romo & Aldrige.

Atwater over any '13 safeties, but probably a healthy Moore over Chicken. Without Moore, Chicken over anyone else left over.

DRC & Harris, Jr. over any 97 CB's, but Gordon is better than whatever we have left after an unhealthy Champ.

Gordon over Holliday as he hit home runs occasionally, but never made me nervous.

Elam vs Prater is a push, but Prater is more consistent in getting a touch- back on kickoffs, imo.

Colquitt way over Rouen. Rouen is my least favorite Bronco. It just always seemed that no matter who we played, the other punter was always better. Colquitt may not have the strongest leg in the league, but he is pretty accurate getting many punts inside the 20.

In summary, I think it is close, but this team is really handicapped by injuries, and is much younger. The 97 team was full of vets(and aged) but was incredibly healthy. Also, maybe if we wait until after the playoffs, instead of after a loss, things may change.
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97 team would kick the ever living **** out of this team.
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Old 12-16-2013, 07:04 PM   #15
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97 team would kick the ever living **** out of this team.
That was the best football team in the history of the game, IMO.
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Old 12-16-2013, 07:46 PM   #16
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That was the best football team in the history of the game, IMO.
i think the 98 team was better and, yes, I think they were the best team I've ever seen.
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Elway, I mean that's just Homer Talk.
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:53 PM   #18
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Elway, I mean that's just Homer Talk.
because only a homer can take the guy who carried his teams to 3 Super Bowls in the 80s and won 2 others a decade later? A QB who played in an era where QBs were not protected as they are now and offenses did not have the rules changed/emphasized to tilt the league to a quasi-Arena-style game. Both QBs are on the short list of best QBs to play the game. It's not a homer pick and it really isn't much of a slight (if it's a slight at all) to Manning either.
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because only a homer can take the guy who carried his teams to 3 Super Bowls in the 80s and won 2 others a decade later? A QB who played in an era where QBs were not protected as they are now and offenses did not have the rules changed/emphasized to tilt the league to a quasi-Arena-style game. Both QBs are on the short list of best QBs to play the game. It's not a homer pick and it really isn't much of a slight (if it's a slight at all) to Manning either.
Nobody talks about Elway as one if the greatest of all time nor would most outside of the Denver fan base take Elway over Manning in that conversation.

It's a biased answer because he was the greatest QB in the history of the franchise, and as an Elway fan I enjoyed watching him. But he was not on Peyton's level. Not even close.

Interestingly before he won the SBs hebwas also considered a QB who couldn't win the big game.
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Nobody talks about Elway as one if the greatest of all time nor would most outside of the Denver fan base take Elway over Manning in that conversation.

It's a biased answer because he was the greatest QB in the history of the franchise, and as an Elway fan I enjoyed watching him. But he was not on Peyton's level. Not even close.

Interestingly before he won the SBs hebwas also considered a QB who couldn't win the big game.
Uh everyone talks about elway in that conversation. Regardless I think it's probably a toss up between Peyton and elway
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Nobody talks about Elway as one if the greatest of all time nor would most outside of the Denver fan base take Elway over Manning in that conversation.
Wrong

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Elway #1

A cursory google search does away with the idea thaht Elway isn't widely regarded as one of the best NFL QBs to play. In fact, 3 of the 4 links have Elway ahead of Manning and 2 have him as the best ever. So as I said, they are both in the conversation as two of the best to play and it's entirely plausible that a non-Denver fan (maybe even a former KC beat writer) can pick Elway.
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A cursory google search does away with the idea thaht Elway isn't widely regarded as one of the best NFL QBs to play. In fact, 3 of the 4 links have Elway ahead of Manning and 2 have him as the best ever. So as I said, they are both in the conversation as two of the best to play and it's entirely plausible that a non-Denver fan (maybe even a former KC beat writer) can pick Elway.
He is and always will be regarded as one of the best, but in most national polls he doesn't come out as the best. Give it 10 years and another SB and Manning probably will.

Elway played on a team of legends.
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Nobody talks about Elway as one if the greatest of all time nor would most outside of the Denver fan base take Elway over Manning in that conversation.

It's a biased answer because he was the greatest QB in the history of the franchise, and as an Elway fan I enjoyed watching him. But he was not on Peyton's level. Not even close.

Interestingly before he won the SBs hebwas also considered a QB who couldn't win the big game.
Stopped reading after those first dozen words (oh, and you have a typo there; should have read "of the greatest" instead of "if the greatest"). When the topic of conversation is "the greatest QB of all time", YES, Elway's name is always mentioned (even outside of Denver!!!). The general consensus of opinion is that maybe -- just maybe -- Joe Montana might have been better than Elway.

That said, like Elway -- Manning will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer and I'm glad he plays for the Denver Broncos.
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Dan Patrick @dpshow on record saying in his opinion Elway is the greatest QB of all time. That's what's up! Elway did more with less.
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