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Old 12-05-2013, 01:59 PM   #1
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BREAKING: South African president says Nelson Mandela has died at age 95.




RIP to a great leader who changed the world. Godspeed.
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Old 12-05-2013, 02:14 PM   #2
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Nelson Mandela, a revered statesman who emerged from prison after 27 years to lead South Africa out of its dark days of apartheid, has died. He was 95.
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Old 12-05-2013, 02:15 PM   #3
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Yeah I just heard. Remarkable man. Like the Ghandi for South Africa. Regardless of what you think about his fiscal policy, he was an incredible leader and stood against a racist regime.
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A death is rarely a good thing, but it was expected...
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Old 12-05-2013, 02:17 PM   #6
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Old 12-05-2013, 02:19 PM   #7
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He sought reconciliation when revenge would have been understood.

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Old 12-05-2013, 02:41 PM   #8
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one of the great human beings of our lifetime. and as we here can well appreciate, a man who understood the dynamic of sport and its influence on humanity.
He made the world a better place, RIP.
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Old 12-05-2013, 03:13 PM   #9
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Possibly the greatest human being that has been alive in my lifetime, or probably that of anyone here. Humanity at its absolute finest.
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Wasn't he involved in terrorism and communism?
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Old 12-05-2013, 03:22 PM   #11
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Wasn't he involved in terrorism and communism?
yes, just like our founding fathers were terrorists.
just a bunch of tea drowning communists.
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Old 12-05-2013, 03:27 PM   #12
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Wasn't he involved in terrorism and communism?
Yes. But it was necessary against an evil regime and the ANC sought not to kill in their campaign. Having seen the IRA terrorist campaign in the North of Ireland, what the ANC did and how they did it, it's night and day. Then when he took power, he had the courage to forgive his oppressors and include them in the process from day one rather than distance himself and look after his own.

Communism, don't make me laugh. Left wing yes, but no more left wing than many socialist labour parties in power across europe. He nationalised nothing.
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Yes. But it was necessary against an evil regime and the ANC sought not to kill in their campaign. Having seen the IRA terrorist campaign in the North of Ireland, what the ANC did and how they did it, it's night and day. Then when he took power, he had the courage to forgive his oppressors and include them in the process from day one rather than distance himself and look after his own.

Communism, don't make me laugh. Left wing yes, but no more left wing than many socialist labour parties in power across europe. He nationalised nothing.
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Old 12-05-2013, 03:29 PM   #16
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I still remember singing "Freeeeee-eeee ... Nel-Son ... Man-Dela!" back in the 1980's

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Ah, so planting bombs on trains is ok as long as your cause is just. It's not terrorism is god is on your side.
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Old 12-05-2013, 04:04 PM   #18
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Ah, so planting bombs on trains is ok as long as your cause is just. It's not terrorism is god is on your side.
religion is always the best justification for hostility / evil/ terrorism/ genocide/ murder/ calling a fellow poster an idiot.
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Old 12-05-2013, 05:06 PM   #19
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Old 12-05-2013, 05:24 PM   #20
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well, it didnt take very long for this to become a political debate.
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Old 12-05-2013, 05:29 PM   #21
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"Politically Motivated Murders in South Africa from 1994 to 2012:

Whites Murdered by Blacks





Since 1994, more than 60000 (if not 60000, I apologize profusely and you can replace the number with 'a ****load' - these numbers come from various other sites - and they have increased since I wrote this article - Google 'muldersdrift') white South Africans have been murdered of which more than 4000 were commercial farmers. Exact figures are very hard to come by as the South African police fail to report most of the murders that take place. There is also no distinction between white and black victims in crime records.

The estimated number of whites sounds like a lot. But it's pretty much common knowledge around the world that there are 50+ murders PER DAY in SA. From 1994 to 2013, that's around 350 000 murders. So, why is it so hard to believe that 60 000 of those are black on white? It's about 17% of the total murders. But the numbers are not the main issue here. It's the NATURE of the crimes."
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Few South Africans have the moral stature of retired archbishop Desmond Tutu, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate who campaigned against apartheid and now laments the crime and inequality that plague the nation two decades after it cast off racist white rule.


“We can’t pretend we have remained at the same heights and that’s why I say please, for goodness’ sake, recover the spirit that made us great,” Tutu said. “Very simply, we are aware we’ve become one of the most violent societies. It’s not what we were, even under apartheid.”

This month, South Africa reopened a conversation over the extent to which the legacy of apartheid drives persistent imbalances in services and opportunities. Some argue that current leaders lean on the past to justify squandered chances to improve South Africa and even invoke the specter of apartheid for political gain.

The fresh discussion began with reported comments by National Planning Minister Trevor Manuel that South African officials should assume full responsibility for the nation’s problems and resist the temptation to continually blame apartheid.

Those include a faltering education system, an uneven record on providing basic services and allegations of corruption and cronyism that drain public faith in the government. The African National Congress, in power since the first all-race elections in 1994, has improved housing for many poor people and presides over a society that is immeasurably more tolerant than its predecessor. But the gulf between the wealthier white minority and the millions of blacks who can’t find work and live in shacks remains wide.

“While wanting to see change happening fast in every corner of the country, we are under no illusion that South Africa will automatically and comprehensively change in only 20 years. That is impossible,” President Jacob Zuma said this week. “The legacy of apartheid runs too deep and too far back for the democratic administration to reverse it in so short a period.”

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But the grim reference point of apartheid is fading among younger voters. The general elections in 2014 will mark the first time that the leading edge of the generation born after apartheid, known as the “born frees,” will be eligible to vote. An estimated 3 million young people, or 10 percent of the electorate, with no direct experience of apartheid will be able to vote.

A foundation chaired by F.W. de Klerk, the last apartheid-era president who negotiated a power transition with Mandela and later shared a Nobel Peace Prize with him, said in a statement Friday that Zuma’s references to apartheid are diverting attention from the need for effective policies.

“When President Zuma says that ‘we cannot stop blaming those who caused it,’ he is playing the very dangerous game of making whites the racial scapegoats for the manifest failures of his own government,” de Klerk’s foundation said.

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Tutu made his comments Thursday in a Cape Town ceremony to celebrate his receipt of the 2013 Templeton Prize, a $1.7 million award for spiritual work, the South African Press Association reported. He recalled that South Africa was “flavor of the month” at the time of the 1994 elections, as the world saw voters waiting patiently to cast the first ballots of their lives.

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The impotent governing abilities of ANC rule is mirrored on smaller scales in Detroit, Philly, DC and Baltimore......

and in another generation or 2, it'll be the same fate the we see for this entire once great nation.......
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well, it didnt take very long for this to become a political debate.
I wouldn't expect anything less. Extremely controversial figure.
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Old 12-05-2013, 06:04 PM   #25
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