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Old 12-04-2013, 08:50 AM   #1
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Default OT: Thinking of moving, Denver is one city I'm considering!

Hello fellow Orangemaners!

Its Ro_50. Its been a long, long time since I've posted on here but I do come here often and check out the posts.

I had a question that was not sports related.

I'm contemplating moving away from New Jersey (been here 7 years) and want to make one final move before settling down in a new city.

I like NJ but I want a change and go somewhere fresh and make a new start for myself.

I'm looking to move by 2015 and the cities I've considered have been Chicago (a city which I love and been there nearly 15 times), Seattle and Denver.

I'm posting this because I've never been to Denver and don't know much about the area (other than what I've read about). I have friends who live near Littleton and thinking about visiting next year sometime to get a feel for the city.

I just wanted to know for a single 34-year old guy who wouldn't want to live in the city but in the suburbs (want to settle down eventually and have a family), how is the job market out there in general and cost of living?

I venture it's not cheap but its not as expensive as New Jersey.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

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Old 12-04-2013, 09:02 AM   #2
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Old 12-04-2013, 09:08 AM   #3
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Seattle > Denver, Chicago..

Don't get me wrong, all three are great cities. Chicago is awesome, as is Denver. I think Seattle is the place to go west young man...
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Coincidentally, I grew up in the Littleton/Columbine area and had to move to NJ with my parents just before starting high school. I ended up staying in this area due primarily to landing a job here after graduating from college. My parents are back in CO so I still come out there occasionally. Denver has changed a lot since I moved away but I still love it and would recommend to anyone. I particularly love the Denver climate compared to this area. One thing that will be jarring for you is how lush and green everything is here in the summer, and how dry, barren and brown Denver and surrounding areas are by comparison. About the only "negative" I can think of, really. That and not being close to the shore, and big cities like Philly, Baltimore, NY, and DC, if you care about those things.
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Nah, Denver is the place to be.
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Nah, Denver is the place to be.
Totally agree, I just thought you'd have some insight to offer.
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Seattle is extremely beautiful but if you do go there, be forewarned that a mega quake is coming to that area and very soon. The city is already going through the planning of this. The Northwest (Seattle, Portland, Vancouver) doesn't shake nearly as often as Cali does but when it does shake, they say it's 60 times more powerful then the quake that leveled San Francisco. It's called a "megaquake". There's a ton of stuff on the web about this event. A high chance it's going to be a 9.0 monster that will shake for 4 to 5 minutes. Odds are 1 in 3 it happens it the next 50 years.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...coveryxml.html

http://www.livescience.com/6513-odds...-50-years.html



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Seattle is extremely beautiful but if you do go there, be forewarned that a mega quake is coming to that area and very soon. The city is already going through the planning of this. The Northwest (Seattle, Portland, Vancouver) doesn't shake nearly as often as Cali does but when it does shake, they say it's 60 times more powerful then the quake that leveled San Francisco. It's called a "megaquake". There's a ton of stuff on the web about this event. A high chance it's going to be a 9.0 monster that will shake for 4 to 5 minutes. Odds are 1 in 3 it happens it the next 50 years.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...coveryxml.html

http://www.livescience.com/6513-odds...-50-years.html
Umm, alright.

Anyway, if you want to move to the pacific northwest, you better like grey skies and rain.
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Old 12-04-2013, 10:10 PM   #9
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Never been to Seattle, but I spent the first 23 years of my life in Colorado (Greeley and Ft. Collins), and the next 14 years in Chicago. Just moved back to Colorado and settled in Greenwood Village, b/c it's very close to work and I didn't want to deal with commuting while I was getting reestablished here...

Chicago is an amazing city...in the summertime. The spring and fall are hit or miss, and the winters can be absolutely brutal. Even a "mild" winter sucks, b/c you won't see the sun for weeks on-end. Just really depressing. As mentioned by several others in this thread, the weather in CO is awesome. It's generally pretty mild/sunny, and you get a great variety. For example, just last Friday I was playing golf in shorts and a light jacket, and today it's snowing and freezing cold. Within a week, it will probably be in the 50's and people will be out and about riding bikes, etc. Chicagoans are basically stuck indoors bowling, playing cards, and watching tv for the next 3 months until things thaw out.

In terms of "feel", the two cities are night and day. There are definitely some urban/walkable areas in Denver, but nothing like Chicago. Not even close. Denver is basically a huge suburb with a few city-like nooks. Chicago is NYC-lite. The restaurants and nightlife in Chicago are amazing--you could literally go to a new place every time you went out for the rest of your life and never run out of good options. Not that Denver doesn't have good food and bars, just nothing like Chicago. Both places are relatively laid back, with friendly people. Generally speaking, Coloradoans are way more active and healthy.

As much as people complain about traffic in Denver, it's really not that bad. There are a few hours in the morning and afternoon that are rough, but it lightens up at other times and on the weekends. The traffic in and around Chicago, on the other hand, just never lets up. That area is just so much more densely populated than Denver. You are probably used to that on the East Coast, though.

In terms of real estate the Chicago market is still very depressed, and Denver is thriving. Overall cost of living seems about the same so far. Denver is supposedly about 5% to 10% cheaper, but I don't buy it. Groceries are definitely more expensive in CO, although gas is about $0.30 cheaper.

I loved the experience of living in Chicago, but overall I think the weather and lifestyle that CO offers is pretty tough to beat. The only thing we can't offer are beaches. Just my 2 cents--hopefully you can glean some useful info out of my rambling post...
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Never been to Seattle, but I spent the first 23 years of my life in Colorado (Greeley and Ft. Collins), and the next 14 years in Chicago. Just moved back to Colorado and settled in Greenwood Village, b/c it's very close to work and I didn't want to deal with commuting while I was getting reestablished here...

Chicago is an amazing city...in the summertime. The spring and fall are hit or miss, and the winters can be absolutely brutal. Even a "mild" winter sucks, b/c you won't see the sun for weeks on-end. Just really depressing. As mentioned by several others in this thread, the weather in CO is awesome. It's generally pretty mild/sunny, and you get a great variety. For example, just last Friday I was playing golf in shorts and a light jacket, and today it's snowing and freezing cold. Within a week, it will probably be in the 50's and people will be out and about riding bikes, etc. Chicagoans are basically stuck indoors bowling, playing cards, and watching tv for the next 3 months until things thaw out.

In terms of "feel", the two cities are night and day. There are definitely some urban/walkable areas in Denver, but nothing like Chicago. Not even close. Denver is basically a huge suburb with a few city-like nooks. Chicago is NYC-lite. The restaurants and nightlife in Chicago are amazing--you could literally go to a new place every time you went out for the rest of your life and never run out of good options. Not that Denver doesn't have good food and bars, just nothing like Chicago. Both places are relatively laid back, with friendly people. Generally speaking, Coloradoans are way more active and healthy.

As much as people complain about traffic in Denver, it's really not that bad. There are a few hours in the morning and afternoon that are rough, but it lightens up at other times and on the weekends. The traffic in and around Chicago, on the other hand, just never lets up. That area is just so much more densely populated than Denver. You are probably used to that on the East Coast, though.

In terms of real estate the Chicago market is still very depressed, and Denver is thriving. Overall cost of living seems about the same so far. Denver is supposedly about 5% to 10% cheaper, but I don't buy it. Groceries are definitely more expensive in CO, although gas is about $0.30 cheaper.

I loved the experience of living in Chicago, but overall I think the weather and lifestyle that CO offers is pretty tough to beat. The only thing we can't offer are beaches. Just my 2 cents--hopefully you can glean some useful info out of my rambling post...
Solid summary of Chicago. This might be the winter that finally pushes me outódamp, windy cold and endless grey weeks that last into late March. Yesterday was foggy and grey, but it was 50 degrees, so I loved it (strongly considering moving to the Pac NW myself). But Chicago is back to freezing today, of course.

Beautiful city, lots of great and distinct neighborhoods, cultural attractions, etc. I may have a hard time moving away from the "real city" urban density after getting used to it. If you're a city person you just grow attached to that and everything that goes with it. I fall in love with the city all over again every summer. But I also share the OPs desire for a more outdoorsy culture like Denver or Seattle, where there isn't a five month period of hibernation where all you do socially is drink (not that that isn't fun some of the time.)
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Old 12-04-2013, 09:46 AM   #13
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If you love Chicago, check out Denver. Its not similar in any respect, but I have found a lot of people who love Chicago love Denver.

Seattle is awesome. I take the Seattle or Denver weather any day over Chicago. I cannot stand wind and humidity in the winter.

Really depends on whats important to you and where you can get a decent job though. You'll be able to settle down in the burbs anywhere… the big question you want to know is what is easily accessible to those burbs. Mountains, water, weather, sports teams, entertainment?
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Old 12-04-2013, 09:52 AM   #14
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If you want grey clouds and drizzly rain weather for 7 months without a break then move to Seattle! In Oregon, I never adjusted to that (5-6 months of the same 42 degrees for the high and the low with a light rain and full cloud cover), but the summers were awesome.
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Visited Seattle a few times. I concur with ColoradoDarin. The lack of sun drives me nuts after a few days. Cool area though for sure.

There are still screaming deals in the front range. Market has gotten a bit soft lately. Rates are still killer. I'm not in the rate predicting business but pretty obvious they are going to be tightened by the fed over the next few years.

If you have the ability I would buy a fixer upper now and rent it. Rentals are EXTREMELY tight. Toss is some fresh paint and rental grade carpet and cash flow it til 2015, rip out all the carpet and Customize it how you want in 2015.

You'd be up 50k or more.

I have associates who can help you buy and even manage it for you. Same for anyone else. I've been busy the last few years doing some renovations of my own but have time to help some others again.
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I visited Denver for the first time in during Week 3.

The air is really dry. That's probably the biggest downside to my 4 day visit to Denver. I really wish I could have taken the time to drive into the mountains, but I slacked a bit.

The rest seemed like every other place in America.
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Why would you want the expense of a place like Denver, Chicago, or Seattle? If you want to live in a ****ty suburb there are lots of better places to do it. Watching the miles of traffic jams this morning on TV drives that point home.

The actual city of Denver, on the other hand, is amazing. Walkable, vibrant, and varied. It's my favorite place on earth and it's why my wife and I choose to make our family home here.
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Why would you want the expense of a place like Denver, Chicago, or Seattle? If you want to live in a ****ty suburb there are lots of better places to do it. Watching the miles of traffic jams this morning on TV drives that point home.

The actual city of Denver, on the other hand, is amazing. Walkable, vibrant, and varied. It's my favorite place on earth and it's why my wife and I choose to make our family home here.
Truth. If you want suburbs, move to Houston, where it is one large suburban orgy at about half the cost and twice the salary.

Denver has some great neighborhoods that have that city neighborhood feel, yet are safe, have great dinning, walkable and your food choices aren't limited to TGI Friday's and Chili's.

Great city to live in if you have to live in an urban area.
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Truth. If you want suburbs, move to Houston, where it is one large suburban orgy at about half the cost and twice the salary.

Denver has some great neighborhoods that have that city neighborhood feel, yet are safe, have great dinning, walkable and your food choices aren't limited to TGI Friday's and Chili's.

Great city to live in if you have to live in an urban area.
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The air is really dry.
This is another "negative" I failed to mention in my previous post. It it an adjustment for people coming from more humid climates.
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Hello fellow Orangemaners!

Its Ro_50.

Thank you for clarifing this point. For a minute there, we might have thought someone hacked your account.

I had a question that was not sports related.

I think you are in trouble. Sounds like a place for Maniac area but ask OF1 for his thoughts on this.

I'm contemplating moving away from New Jersey (been here 7 years) and want to make one final move before settling down in a new city.

Ok, what is it? You want to move away from NJ but seems you are looking for a city to live in for a final move before deciding to live in a new city. So what non new city are you moving to ?

I like NJ but I want a change and go somewhere fresh and make a new start for myself.

Finally! To this California, NJ people are weird. Yes, a SoCaler just called out NJ.

I'm looking to move by 2015 and the cities I've considered have been Chicago (a city which I love and been there nearly 15 times), Seattle and Denver.

So choices are before your choice of depressing Seattle, windy Chicago or Cow town Denver?

I'm posting this because I've never been to Denver and don't know much about the area (other than what I've read about). I have friends who live near Littleton and thinking about visiting next year sometime to get a feel for the city.

Oh ****! Asking Maners about life decisions might be not be a good choice. Did you read the thread on Myrtle Beach? Some really bad opinions that turned out to be horribly wrong.

I just wanted to know for a single 34-year old guy who wouldn't want to live in the city but in the suburbs (want to settle down eventually and have a family), how is the job market out there in general and cost of living?

34 and single? You are gay. Boulder or Florence might be a better choice.

I venture it's not cheap but its not as expensive as New Jersey.

Aqua Net? Probably not found in cases at Costco but it is all about supply and demand.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Prepare your anus

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Nice- a dude from Orange County making fun of Denver? Ha ha ha ha! Orange County! Other than the fact that it shares a name with one of the Broncos' most important colors, it's a **** hole. Honestly.

Ok, as far as a Jersey boy moving to Colorado, we're full. There's no room here. And you Californians can stay in California. This is Colorado. If you do end up disobeying me and come here from California, DO NOT b**** about how this is not California. We know. That's why we live here. If you don't like it then hurry back to Cali. Seriously, though, there are people from all over the world living in Colorado and that's cool in a lot of ways. What's not cool is when they start to whine about all of the things they miss about where they came from. Shut up about it, you chose to move to Colorado. I don't care about how great it was where you used to live. Instead of jacking your jaws about it just pack your ****e and move back. That is all.
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Nice- a dude from Orange County making fun of Denver? Ha ha ha ha! Orange County! Other than the fact that it shares a name with one of the Broncos' most important colors, it's a **** hole. Honestly.

Ok, as far as a Jersey boy moving to Colorado, we're full. There's no room here. And you Californians can stay in California. This is Colorado. If you do end up disobeying me and come here from California, DO NOT b**** about how this is not California. We know. That's why we live here. If you don't like it then hurry back to Cali. Seriously, though, there are people from all over the world living in Colorado and that's cool in a lot of ways. What's not cool is when they start to whine about all of the things they miss about where they came from. Shut up about it, you chose to move to Colorado. I don't care about how great it was where you used to live. Instead of jacking your jaws about it just pack your ****e and move back. That is all.

Sounds like you're bitter about Cali. No need to miss or migrate to the Midwest, I can handle the expenses of living here.
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if your going just on weather, i would say denver is the best. I think it might be the most bang for your buck in cost of living as well. Seattle and Chicago are higher (you can google cost of living in top cities and see what ranks higher).

As for being single, all 3 cities have hot girls and plenty of nightlife.
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single 34/ check out LODO, you wont need a car or consider Portland if you can deal with the NW weather.
If you love sports, Denver is your town. if , if you only like football, seattle can get your fix for half the year...
I live in scottsdale, the greatest place on earth when its not june, july or august.
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