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Old 12-01-2013, 09:54 PM   #1
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Is it just me, or was today's game the first time in maybe 5 weeks that PFM threw with authority. One bad interception one fluky one, but overall he went downfield with velocity and accuracy all day. The prior 5 weeks it seemed like he was surviving on moxie.

We have done a much better job lately of keeping him clean - a combination of scheme, play-calling, and an emerging running game - and IMHO this is a really big deal. A healthy PFM and some semblance of a healthy defense bodes well for this team as we head into the playoffs!!

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Old 12-01-2013, 09:58 PM   #2
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That 1st INT was close to being on the money between two DB's, still DT should have caught it or knocked it down. The 2nd INT, was concerned. Wasn't even close and seemed to lose all velocity on the throw.

The TD's he was throwing in the 2nd half though... man, those were awesome to watch. Didn't see many ducks from him this game so hopefully his ankles are getting better and he can drive the ball coming down the stretch and into the playoffs. Didn't hurt that it was around 50 degrees for most of the game.
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Didn't hurt that it was around 50 degrees for most of the game.
It's becoming a very clear and consistent trend IMO.

Will be interesting to how he does down the stretch in the cold.

To you newbies of Colorado. The front range is not consistently cold. Shorts weather most of the winter. However, there are stretches like the one next week that can trash a house quickly.


You might consider leaving some drips going in your sinks the next few days. Wrap your outside spickets and if you have any suspect pipes and need to protect them in a hurry Home depot sells stuff like this. Heat cable. http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/ou...FcU5Qgod93EAwQ

I've protected pipes with this stuff in -20 degree weather. No problem!

Oh and if your windows suck the shrink wrap stuff does wonders.



Maybe manning could wrap his body in heating cable!

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Old 12-02-2013, 10:40 AM   #4
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It's becoming a very clear and consistent trend IMO.

Will be interesting to how he does down the stretch in the cold.

To you newbies of Colorado. The front range is not consistently cold. Shorts weather most of the winter. However, there are stretches like the one next week that can trash a house quickly.


You might consider leaving some drips going in your sinks the next few days. Wrap your outside spickets and if you have any suspect pipes and need to protect them in a hurry Home depot sells stuff like this. Heat cable. http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/ou...FcU5Qgod93EAwQ

I've protected pipes with this stuff in -20 degree weather. No problem!

Oh and if your windows suck the shrink wrap stuff does wonders.



Maybe manning could wrap his body in heating cable!
Wait, since becoming a Bronco, whats the trend? Two games? Two games that went into OT? Two games against NE (away) and the eventual super bowl champion in which manning had a 100 rating going into OT? Whats the trend here?
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Wait, since becoming a Bronco, whats the trend? Two games? Two games that went into OT? Two games against NE (away) and the eventual super bowl champion in which manning had a 100 rating going into OT? Whats the trend here?
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/1...arm-vs-frigid/

I'd suggest watching the games. You might consider watching the New England game and the Chiefs game from yesterday to start.

Besides am I really going out a limb suggesting it's hard for a an older QB to throw in Colder weather than warmer weather?

Oh the trend is over NINETEEN games now. Very clear, distinct trend, backed by stats.

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I'd suggest watching the games. You might consider watching the New England game and the Chiefs game from yesterday to start.

Besides am I really going out a limb suggesting it's hard for a an older QB to throw in Colder weather than warmer weather?
Oh the old "i suggest watching the games" condescending comment. My favorite! The NE game had a few odd things about it. 1) The broncos jumped to a huge lead and stuck with an ever effective run game that probably never let Manning get into a rhythm. Plus, where the hell was PA all game? 2) He still lead the Broncos on a game tying drive deep into the 4th quarter, which was the best drive by either team all day. 3) wind was probably more of a factor than the cold. 4) Turnovers killed us more than anything 5) I dunno how Belichick does it, but Manning has had plenty of bad games against the patriots. There was a lot that went wrong that game, and he's not AS GOOD in the cold, but pinning the entire loss on the fact that it was cold is silly. Also, just because he's not AS EFFECTIVE in the cold does not mean HES USELESS, like some broncos fans here would lead you to believe.

The Ravens game last year, not his best, far from his worst. Before Rahim Moore, rating over 100, 3 TD's and a pick off a deflection that should have been called back for PI. Thats a good game in some pretty awful conditions.

The Chiefs game in week 17 last year (the 38-3 drubbing), just over freezing at the start of the game, in the 20's by the end. He looked pretty good that game.

So, again, maybe you are right, but 2 close games in the cold, one of which he played well, does not make a disturbing "trend"
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Old 12-02-2013, 11:15 AM   #8
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I'd suggest watching the games. You might consider watching the New England game and the Chiefs game from yesterday to start.

Besides am I really going out a limb suggesting it's hard for a an older QB to throw in Colder weather than warmer weather?

Oh the trend is over NINETEEN games now. Very clear, distinct trend, backed by stats.
I don't think age has anything to do with being able to throw a great ball in cold weather. It's really not the cold that does anything to the actual player. It's more about what it does to the ball itself. It's clearly harder to grip a colder ball. Larger hands help offset this but I really don't think it makes a difference if you're 25 or 35. It's not like you will have some 65 year old dude out there throwing the pigskin. I could see your point if that's the type of age gap we were talking about here. But a man in his mid to late 30's throwing a football, if he's healthy, isn't really different then a man in his 20's.
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I'd suggest watching the games. You might consider watching the New England game and the Chiefs game from yesterday to start.

Besides am I really going out a limb suggesting it's hard for a an older QB to throw in Colder weather than warmer weather?

Oh the trend is over NINETEEN games now. Very clear, distinct trend, backed by stats.
I'm not so sure its the QB. I think the receivers have a MUCH harder time holding onto the ball when it's cold. Catching the ball hurts. Your fingers don't move well or quickly when it's cold. We had 6-7 drops on what would normally be easy catches in the NE game. Welker, I think, couldn't handle four easily catchable passes.
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He looked rough to begin with. I don't know what the deal is but I hope it continues
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I think the emergence of a credible running game has been another important factor. I can guarantee you that he did not average 2 secs to throw the ball today because he did not need to. He had tons of time on many plays letting the patterns develop down field. I think our ability to run had a lot to do with that.
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I think the offense made a real effort to be more aggressive today in the passing game.

Seems like we've not thrown deep as often in recent games as we were early in the year. Lots of high percentage passes with a reliance on YAC will always be the cornerstone of this O, but you have to push it down the field when the opportunity is there . For one it gives you more room to hit the underneath stuff, and secondly when you have the QB and weapons we have you'll win a lot of those downfield battles. Sure you'll have incompletions, but you'll hit enough to make it worthwhile and probably get some flags too.
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I think the offense made a real effort to be more aggressive today in the passing game.

Seems like we've not thrown deep as often in recent games as we were early in the year. Lots of high percentage passes with a reliance on YAC will always be the cornerstone of this O, but you have to push it down the field when the opportunity is there . For one it gives you more room to hit the underneath stuff, and secondly when you have the QB and weapons we have you'll win a lot of those downfield battles. Sure you'll have incompletions, but you'll hit enough to make it worthwhile and probably get some flags too.
This. I could easily tell the improvement once we decided we weren't just going to play it safe and dink and dunk all F'n day. Once they decided to just put the pedal to the metal and start attacking deep, I could see the vigor and confidence in PM.
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I think the offense made a real effort to be more aggressive today in the passing game.
I agree, and I wonder how much of our timidness was PFM being too gimpy to really throw the long ball with authority.

There were a couple of long passes over the last 5 games but it seemed to me they were more incredible touch passes. Tonight he threw lasers.
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he had a terrible start, but that might have had a lot to do with his protection.

But I'm not looking forward to his cold weather games ....gulp
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he had a terrible start, but that might have had a lot to do with his protection.

But I'm not looking forward to his cold weather games ....gulp
At least they should be at home, if we can take care of business. This weekend Tennessee here, next Thursday SD here. Then road games at Houston (dome) and at Oakland (NorCal weather should be ok right?).

Then playoffs. Cold to be sure, but all at home if we can win out.
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It would be great for Broncos to get 2 games in front of pats by the last week so they could rest some vets. Not sit them but you know maybe run the ball with all the backs and get Manning out early.
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If you are worried about Manning, well, you have little man complex.
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If you are worried about Manning, well, you have little man complex.
So we shouldn't be worried that our team got beat in the playoffs last year. You cant blame that all on Moore homeboy. Manning is culpable as well. There are theories out there that have some substance to them. But then again lets go full on homer here!!!


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So we shouldn't be worried that our team got beat in the playoffs last year. You cant blame that all on Moore homeboy. Manning is culpable as well. There are theories out there that have some substance to them. But then again lets go full on homer here!!!


The fool who fancies he is full of wisdom. While he sits by his hearth at home. Quickly finds when questioned by others . That he knows nothing at all.
So I should be worried about something I don't know will happen and have absolutely no control of?
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So I should be worried about something I don't know will happen and have absolutely no control of?
Yes. And if you post on this message board a certain way, it will magically affect men playing a game somehow. So really we are gods.
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Yes. And if you post on this message board a certain way, it will magically affect men playing a game somehow. So really we are gods.
I believe our posts effected VON and DECKER.
players respond when they hear the criticism.
I also believe that PFM heard what was said about body language and knows thats one of his kid brothers flaws.
what? you think I spend all this time posting here just to amuse fellow members?
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I do it because I know my comments make a difference.
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So I should be worried about something I don't know will happen and have absolutely no control of?
what is the weather forecast for sunday in denver?
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I think the OP is correct. I think his ankles are getting better. And we clearly figured out pass protection against the Chiefs.
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You should always be worried. Superbowls are hard to win.
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