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Old 11-06-2013, 09:39 AM   #1
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Few topics in American society have more myths and stereotypes surrounding them than poverty, misconceptions that distort both our politics and our domestic policy making.

They include the notion that poverty affects a relatively small number of Americans, that the poor are impoverished for years at a time, that most of those in poverty live in inner cities, that too much welfare assistance is provided and that poverty is ultimately a result of not working hard enough. Although pervasive, each assumption is flat-out wrong.

Contrary to popular belief, the percentage of the population that directly encounters poverty is exceedingly high. My research indicates that nearly 40 percent of Americans between the ages of 25 and 60 will experience at least one year below the official poverty line during that period ($23,492 for a family of four), and 54 percent will spend a year in poverty or near poverty (below 150 percent of the poverty line).

Even more astounding, if we add in related conditions like welfare use, near-poverty and unemployment, four out of five Americans will encounter one or more of these events.

In addition, half of all American children will at some point during their childhood reside in a household that uses food stamps for a period of time.

Put simply, poverty is a mainstream event experienced by a majority of Americans. For most of us, the question is not whether we will experience poverty, but when.
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Alice Walton’s primary philanthropic activity is as a board member of the Walton Family Foundation. She has been active on the Board of the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences at Little Rock and the Board of Advisors for the University of Arkansas Graduate Business School at Fayetteville.
In 1996, the University of Arkansas established the Alice L. Walton Chair in Finance, allowing the university, through its College of Business Administration, to pursue educational excellence on a national and international level. Walton's vision led to the creation of Camp War Eagle, a Christian summer camp in Northwest Arkansas that brings together children of differing socio-economic backgrounds.

I would rather people like Alice pay for our art museums instead of taxpayers.

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The Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art is regarded as the nation's most important new art museum in a generation, offering the type of exhibits more commonly found in New York or Los Angeles.

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Alice Walton’s primary philanthropic activity is as a board member of the Walton Family Foundation. She has been active on the Board of the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences at Little Rock and the Board of Advisors for the University of Arkansas Graduate Business School at Fayetteville.
In 1996, the University of Arkansas established the Alice L. Walton Chair in Finance, allowing the university, through its College of Business Administration, to pursue educational excellence on a national and international level. Walton's vision led to the creation of Camp War Eagle, a Christian summer camp in Northwest Arkansas that brings together children of differing socio-economic backgrounds.

I would rather people like Alice pay for our art museums instead of taxpayers.

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A lot more good could be done if she got her family company to pay its employees fairly. Less taxes, fewer people on public assistance. The only party "hurt" would be her.

I would rather people like Alice first make their money honestly rather than try to assuage their guilt with pet projects.
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Old 11-06-2013, 04:02 PM   #5
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A lot more good could be done if she got her family company to pay its employees fairly. Less taxes, fewer people on public assistance. The only party "hurt" would be her.

I would rather people like Alice first make their money honestly rather than try to assuage their guilt with pet projects.
Yeah, and for every dollar she and her family drop into "pet projects" like these, they drop $10 into projects like trying to destroy the public education system and prop up hate groups like the Family Research Council.
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A lot more good could be done if she got her family company to pay its employees fairly. Less taxes, fewer people on public assistance. The only party "hurt" would be her.

I would rather people like Alice first make their money honestly rather than try to assuage their guilt with pet projects.
Pet projects they put their name on and get tax write-offs for.
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Pet projects they put their name on and get tax write-offs for.
Sometimes tax write-offs are good. The small state of Arkansas could never get a museum like Crystal Bridges from the government. She's choosing where her money goes.
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Pet projects they put their name on and get tax write-offs for.
It's an "impression management" strategy as well.

That is, vulture capitalists like the Waltons or the Koch Bros hope philanthropic gestures will blunt criticism of their malfeasance and wrongdoing in other arenas.

Right-wing brownie hounds are all too happy to point to such gestures in their efforts to give these schmucks a free pass.

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Thank you Walmart for employing 1% of the US population.

But not for long, I did notice that Walmart in investing in automated check-out systems so it can radically reduce its need for cashiers. Yes, we really need to eliminate these poverty level jobs and get the poor souls off food stamps and on unemployment and welfare where they belong.
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Interested to hear whether or not you read the article, Pony. Because it shoots holes in a lot of the myths you and several other "right leaning" people perpetuate here. I'm surprised by the lack of reaction and commentary.
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Thank you Walmart for employing 1% of the US population.

But not for long, I did notice that Walmart in investing in automated check-out systems so it can radically reduce its need for cashiers. Yes, we really need to eliminate these poverty level jobs and get the poor souls off food stamps and on unemployment and welfare where they belong.
You do realize that a chunk of walmart's workforce is put on public assistance due to walmarts benefits policies, right?

Not to mention the subsidies that walmart receives FOR business. I don't know if the ROI is worth shopping at walmart.

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You do realize that a chunk of walmart's workforce is put on public assistance due to walmarts benefits policies, right?

Not to mention the subsidies that walmart receives FOR business. I don't know if the ROI is worth shopping at walmart.
How about vending machines? Are they worth the ROI?

The quest for artificially high wages is ultimately counterproductive.
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How about vending machines? Are they worth the ROI?

The quest for artificially high wages is ultimately counterproductive.
The problem is your definition of "artifically high" seems to be "enough to make a decent living for an honest day's work".

Wal-Mart abuses the social safety net to boost profits. The only way they can continue to operate the way they do is because the public picks up their slack. Without that, they'd have to actually pay a decent wage.

Of course, at this point you'll probably responds "SEE, public assistance is a horrible thing!" or some such nonsense, which misses the point entirely.
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The problem is your definition of "artifically high" seems to be "enough to make a decent living for an honest day's work".

Wal-Mart abuses the social safety net to boost profits. The only way they can continue to operate the way they do is because the public picks up their slack. Without that, they'd have to actually pay a decent wage.

Of course, at this point you'll probably responds "SEE, public assistance is a horrible thing!" or some such nonsense, which misses the point entirely.
No, the point is either the glass is half empty or it's half full.

What's better... an employed checker making enough to cover at least some of their needs.

Or an unemployed checker replaced by a machine and who has no real marketable non-automatible skills while sitting at home and relying completely on public assistance?
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The quest for artificially high wages is ultimately counterproductive.
Which has what to do with subsiding walmart and putting people on tax payers dimes?
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Which has what to do with subsiding walmart and putting people on tax payers dimes?
Nothing, and BB knows it. He just likes to be obtuse. Or he really is that vapid. Not really sure TBH.
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Thank you Walmart for employing 1% of the US population.

But not for long, I did notice that Walmart in investing in automated check-out systems so it can radically reduce its need for cashiers. Yes, we really need to eliminate these poverty level jobs and get the poor souls off food stamps and on unemployment and welfare where they belong.
Grant amnesty and see even more unemployment.

As such, why just b**** about Wal Mart?
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Income is a dumb way to try to quantify poverty. As was alluded to in another thread, are retired NFL players 'unemployed' or in 'poverty' just because they're not working?

But the food stamp trend is troubling. Part of it is economic, but a big untalked about part is cultural.

Stigma was part and parcel of the food stamp program only a decade or two ago. Growing up, had my family ever been eligible (quite possible) we would've probably starved before applying. Maybe exaggerating. Slightly.

Anyway, accepting public welfare is much less frowned upon than it used to be. Plus the electronic food stamp cards make it a lot less tell-tale and intrusive.
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Income is a dumb way to try to quantify poverty. As was alluded to in another thread, are retired NFL players 'unemployed' or in 'poverty' just because they're not working?
Fair point, understood. But, I'd bet that a vast majority of people are pushed into something at least approximating "poverty" when they lose their employment since a vast majority of people need regular income to pay their bills. In other words, most people live paycheck to paycheck, or close to it.
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Income is a dumb way to try to quantify poverty. As was alluded to in another thread, are retired NFL players 'unemployed' or in 'poverty' just because they're not working?

But the food stamp trend is troubling. Part of it is economic, but a big untalked about part is cultural.

Stigma was part and parcel of the food stamp program only a decade or two ago. Growing up, had my family ever been eligible (quite possible) we would've probably starved before applying. Maybe exaggerating. Slightly.

Anyway, accepting public welfare is much less frowned upon than it used to be. Plus the electronic food stamp cards make it a lot less tell-tale and intrusive.
The really big welfare checks go to the too big to fail banks. You don't have a problem with that?
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The really big welfare checks go to the too big to fail banks. You don't have a problem with that?
He's willing to overlook that pesky little conflict - just as he does when subsidizing Wal-Mart employees (and every other slave wage worker in America) with his tax dollars.

Being a "conservative" nowadays means being prepared to kneel and bob for the super-rich on command - even when it means abandoning your "principles."
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He's willing to overlook that pesky little conflict - just as he does when subsidizing Wal-Mart employees (and every other slave wage worker in America) with his tax dollars.

Being a "conservative" nowadays means being prepared to kneel and bob for the super-rich on command - even when it means abandoning your "principles."
Beavis has no principles to abandon.
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Beavis has no principles to abandon.
"2/3rds of Walmart workers should get fired so 1/3rd of them can earn Costco Wages. Because we don't want any wards of the state up in here."

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He's willing to overlook that pesky little conflict - just as he does when subsidizing Wal-Mart employees (and every other slave wage worker in America) with his tax dollars.
We also subsidize thousands of military families that qualify for and receive food stamps.

So tell me what yearly salary should a military soldier that chooses to work on a military base, peel potatoes and throw them into a pot make?
Also what should the average salary be for a guy that changes oil at Walmart or the floor sweeper at K-Mart make that has a family of four to feed?

How much money would make you happy, I want a yearly dollar figure from you?
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Being a "conservative" nowadays means being prepared to kneel and bob for the super-rich on command - even when it means abandoning your "principles."
That certainly explains why the loudest voices for amnesty are from the Democratic side of the aisle. 12 million US jobs up in smoke.

This corruption is BIPARTISAN.
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