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Old 10-17-2013, 10:58 AM   #1
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Default Dumervil vs. Phillips

Just wanted to say I (along with a lot of other people on here) told you so. We all agreed we would have like Doom to return but that he was overpaid at $8+ million per year. Well what is he making this year compared to Phillips? So far Doom has 5 sacks and 16 total tackles and is a huge liability against the run. Phillips has 5.5 sacks and 15 total tackles and is better against the run than Doom.

So ya, for an eighth of the price we are doin just fine.

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Old 10-17-2013, 11:00 AM   #2
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Just wanted to say I (along with a lot of other people on here) told you so. We all agreed we would have like Doom to return but that he was overpaid at $8+ million per year. Well what is he making this year compared to Phillips? So far Doom has 5 sacks and 16 total tackles and is a huge liability against the fun. Phillips has 5.5 sacks and 15 total tackles and is better against the run than Doom.

So ya, for an eighth of the price we are doin just fine.
The last thing this team needs is someone who is a huge liability against the fun! That can make a season seem eternal. We want guys who are assets to the fun!
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The last thing this team needs is someone who is a huge liability against the fun! That can make a season seem eternal. We want guys who are assets to the fun!
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It's exactly what I always said, huge fun liability.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:20 PM   #4
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The last thing this team needs is someone who is a huge liability against the fun! That can make a season seem eternal. We want guys who are assets to the fun!
Dammit. Fixed
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:37 PM   #5
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QB hurries? overall impact on the Defense..... should have paid the man - er faxgate
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:51 PM   #9
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No, he shouldn't have ****ed around at Kinko's He was overpaid and his true value was shown on the market.
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I wanted him back because he was one of my favs. I will admit I wanted to see what he did on another team to answer some questions I had about him. Now I'm glad we didn't waste that much money on him.
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It's exactly what I always said, huge fun liability.
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I knew Phillips could replace most of what Doom gave us on the pass rush side of things and probably would be better against the run. I've said all along that I thought it was the smart move to not pay him over 5M per year and for what we are paying Phillips, even better. That frees up money to sign other guys are are playing well. Sorry but I don't miss Doom at all. 8M for 12 sacks and average run support - no thanks.
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I'd still pay Doom every day of the week. Probably kick in an extra million on Sunday.

This DL stinks to high hell at pass rushing. It's the biggest downside change from last year by far. Not sure how you can watch your team's defense go from #2 overall in 2012 to #29 now and say "I think that big move in the offseason really paid off"

I know Von is a big part and all. But it's more than a bit premature to say we don't miss Doom. I'm relatively sure we do.
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I'd still pay Doom every day of the week. Probably kick in an extra million on Sunday.

This DL stinks to high hell at pass rushing. It's the biggest downside change from last year by far. Not sure how you can watch your team's defense go from #2 overall in 2012 to #29 now and say "I think that big move in the offseason really paid off"

I know Von is a big part and all. But it's more than a bit premature to say we don't miss Doom. I'm relatively sure we do.
Without Von and WW, when we have to scheme rather than let guys play at positions best suited for them...it's also premature to say we do.
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Without Von and WW, when we have to scheme rather than let guys play at positions best suited for them...it's also premature to say we do.
Maybe. But that might be why I'm not making threads about it.

And WW's been there most of the time. But the DL still looked mostly like **** on passing downs.
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Old 10-17-2013, 12:56 PM   #19
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It would be nice if we stopped using Wolfe as an edge rusher and let him attack the middle

That is something we have not seen this year that we had last year

Hopefully with Von back that changes
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:41 PM   #20
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16 games of football is hardly a large enough sample size to draw conclusions, let alone 6. Jesus people, chill!

One question I have: How much are we paying Elvis in dead money? Because you can basically add that to Phillips' salary to get the true cost of letting Elvis go and replacing him with Phillips.

Another thing: Why are you reporting only sack numbers and tackles? We need much more than that if we are actually going to evaluate a players performance, especially if its only over a 6 game span. Hurries, hits, forced fumbles, passes deflected, all that.

Another thing to remember, Elvis was a team captain. Phillips may not be causing problems but I don't think he's the leader type.

Yes, we get it, you couldn't wait to chime in here with your "I told you so" but let's save that until the season is over. You still don't think it's too early to draw conclusions? What if Dumervil goes on an absolute tear and ends up with 16 to 18 sacks and Phillips finishes around 10?

IN SUMMARY: It's way too early for this thread, and even if it were not, your claims lack substantial evidence.

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Old 10-17-2013, 12:49 PM   #21
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I'd still pay Doom every day of the week. Probably kick in an extra million on Sunday.

This DL stinks to high hell at pass rushing. It's the biggest downside change from last year by far. Not sure how you can watch your team's defense go from #2 overall in 2012 to #29 now and say "I think that big move in the offseason really paid off"

I know Von is a big part and all. But it's more than a bit premature to say we don't miss Doom. I'm relatively sure we do.
It's not premature at all. I said it before the season started and I don't regret it. It would have been nice to have him stay, with an extreme cut in pay, just so we didn't have to deal with the position but I don't believe anything would have been any different if he had. That contract was ridiculous.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:48 PM   #22
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I'd still pay Doom every day of the week. Probably kick in an extra million on Sunday.

This DL stinks to high hell at pass rushing. It's the biggest downside change from last year by far. Not sure how you can watch your team's defense go from #2 overall in 2012 to #29 now and say "I think that big move in the offseason really paid off"

I know Von is a big part and all. But it's more than a bit premature to say we don't miss Doom. I'm relatively sure we do.
I agree. We gained something but also lost a huge amount in pressures and sacks. Let us see if Phillips gets a move on once Miller takes the field. That will be the biggest test for the defense.
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Only reason I miss Doom is because he was just good enough that opposing offenses were scared of him and his name alone, even if it didn't warrant it, would just seem to make opposing QBs making dumb mistakes which he would capitalize on. Otherwise, Phillips is doing just as well and well worth the price. We got a replacement who cares more about the ring than the paycheck and glory.
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Old 10-17-2013, 12:04 PM   #24
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how many a phillips sacks have been coverage sacks? Doom brought the heat on a consistent basis. Can't say the same about phillips. Should have paid the man. Anyone out there not seeing our inability to rush the passer? Yeah... Von is back now but still...
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how many a phillips sacks have been coverage sacks? Doom brought the heat on a consistent basis. Can't say the same about phillips. Should have paid the man. Anyone out there not seeing our inability to rush the passer? Yeah... Von is back now but still...
Doom has Suggs on the other side (who is a darn good pass rusher himself) and Doom is averaging less then 1 sack a game. And you think with Miller's suspension that he was going to be all world here?

Just face the facts - Phillips is giving us about the same stats with a fraction of the cost.
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