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Old 10-06-2013, 07:32 PM   #1
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What a great game! I like the blowout wins better, but good to know we can dig deep a little and pull out a win.

Offense:
1.) Lets give Moreno some love. I have to admit that for the majority of his career here I haven't been a fan, but since those 6 games last year and the games this year he's played well and he's played tough. In particular that 1st down he made pushing the pile the last 4 yard! But he does one annoying thing. After a few plays he asks to get a blow. Is his condihtioning poor or the pace just that fast?

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1.) There has been a lot of talk about "not needing Von" around here. I think this game exposed what a dire need we have for pass-rush. But you guys think that we make a mid-season trade for another pass-rusher anyway?
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Has this games exposed our man-to-man coverage or this game was an anomaly?
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top 6 in the NFL in sacks.

if anything this game showed we need to stop playing soft coverages with no safeties over the top against top talent WRs and TEs

today was more scheme based than it was player based IMO but some of the players did have their worst game in coverage aside from Webster and Trev, not the greatest gameplan but they probably didn't think Dallas would go deep as much as they did.

We had good pressure we got 4 sacks I think today was just an anomaly. Von and maybe Champ will be back soon that alone will help.

I can't see many other teams out there that can pull off a shoot out on our schedule outside of maybe the Colts & Chargers but even the Chargers are inconsistent.

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Old 10-07-2013, 12:10 PM   #4
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top 6 in the NFL in sacks.

if anything this game showed we need to stop playing soft coverages with no safeties over the top against top talent WRs and TEs

today was more scheme based than it was player based IMO but some of the players did have their worst game in coverage aside from Webster and Trev, not the greatest gameplan but they probably didn't think Dallas would go deep as much as they did.

We had good pressure we got 4 sacks I think today was just an anomaly. Von and maybe Champ will be back soon that alone will help.

I can't see many other teams out there that can pull off a shoot out on our schedule outside of maybe the Colts & Chargers but even the Chargers are inconsistent.
Some stats are miss leading. I'm sure a lot of those sacks came with large leads. I'm of the belief that you can't have enough good pass rushers. It was a blow when Doom left. I personally think that the Broncos need to sift through a team fire sale a pick up a pass rusher.
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Some stats are miss leading. I'm sure a lot of those sacks came with large leads. I'm of the belief that you can't have enough good pass rushers. It was a blow when Doom left. I personally think that the Broncos need to sift through a team fire sale a pick up a pass rusher.
Disagree. Phillips is doing fine and Von will be back. You are essentially emulating what we had last year. Except ayers is more of a threat. Plus, with the return of Von, I believe Wolfe will get more pressure from the inside. Who in this hypothetical fire sale are you gonna get that's much better?
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Disagree. Phillips is doing fine and Von will be back. You are essentially emulating what we had last year. Except ayers is more of a threat. Plus, with the return of Von, I believe Wolfe will get more pressure from the inside. Who in this hypothetical fire sale are you gonna get that's much better?
That might be true for this year. But Phillips is sign only to this year and if Von gets caught one more time its a year suspension. I thinking about the next man up.
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Some stats are miss leading. I'm sure a lot of those sacks came with large leads. I'm of the belief that you can't have enough good pass rushers. It was a blow when Doom left. I personally think that the Broncos need to sift through a team fire sale a pick up a pass rusher.

A lot of Dooms sacks came with leads............

Like to have an an early and often pressure of opposing Qbs as well.............
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A lot of Dooms sacks came with leads............

Like to have an an early and often pressure of opposing Qbs as well.............
That's why Dooms departure wasn't that bad. And we got Phillips to replace him. But we need to have as many good pass rushers as possible. I hope that every draft Elway picks up one or two D-lineman regardless of precieved need.
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Has this games exposed our man-to-man coverage or this game was an anomaly?
as bad as the coverage was, I think the pass rush was even worse.

what do you guys think has happened to Wolfe? He was never really an edge rusher, but he was a force rushing from the interior. I don't recall seeing the same impact from him yet. Losing 2 edge rushers hurts, but is it simply not seeing as many favorable matchups with Von and Dumervil out of the lineup?

bonus question, at what point does the staff begin thinking of moving Webster past Carter on the old depth chart? Carter's inability to make a tackle extended a lot of plays yesterday.

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as bad as the coverage was, I think the pass rush was even worse.

what do you guys think has happened to Wolfe? He was never really an edge rusher, but he was a force rushing from the interior. I don't recall seeing the same impact from him yet. Losing 2 edge rushers hurts, but is it simply not seeing as many favorable matchups with Von and Dumervil out of the lineup?

bonus question, at what point does the staff begin thinking of moving Webster past Carter on the old depth chart? Carter's inability to make a tackle extended a lot of plays yesterday.

The thing we need to remember about Wolfe is that once Von comes back Wolfe's importance to the pass rush will sky rocket.

There was a play early in the game, I believe it was 3rd at long (at least 9) and I saw Phillips line up outside of Wolfe so I thought I would key on Wolfe to see how he played.

Since it was a passing down the Cowboys Oline slanted down to block Phillips but Wolfe had his man beat and was out right held, turned OL arms and hooked and everything, from what I remember there was a tackle engaged on Wolfe as well which might be why he didn't draw the flag what with the double team and he wasn't turned and brought to the ground but they did impead his progress illegally and yet they called Vasquez for about the same thing on the long pass to DT to start the game.

Phillips almost got Romo twice before he completed a pass down the middle of the field for a big chunk of yardage which led to a scoring drive.

I think Wolfe is still playing with a little less abandon due to the neck injury but he is still drawing double teams and eating up blocks. He just doesn't seem to have the power off the ball that he had last year. I thought for sure he would have had a sack on that 3rd down play if he were not double teamed and held.

Having and living with neck issues he still has to be playing through sorness and or tightness and what ever rehab he had to do reduced his workouts.

I think once Von comes back teams will not be able to double team Ayers or Wolfe and teams will have to pick their poison, do they want to give up the sack to Von, Wolfe, Ayers?

Phillips is getting his sacks because of guys like Wolfe who are eating those double teams.

I would be more concerned about Wolfe if he was on the ground all the time getting pancaked and laid out, he isn't he is taking on those double teams and even more important than sacks and pressures Wolfe is keeping our LB's clean so they can knife in and make plays in the run game.
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:51 AM   #11
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Has this games exposed our man-to-man coverage or this game was an anomaly?
I could be wrong here, but it sure felt like we went heavy with the zone early on and THAT is what they were exposing. Not man to man.

But I might be wrong.
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I remember at the beginning of the season when people were thinking we were insane for keeping 11 BD on the roster. You guys think with all our injuries to the DB core we pick up another DB or activate Jammer?
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Did you guys see that run play just before the go ahead field goal. Peyton spoke at the press conference about how he wanted Moreno to get the first down without scoring so Peyton could run out the clock. Do you guys think that Peyton had no faith that the defense could close out the game vs. the cowboys?

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Did you guys see that run play just before the go ahead field goal. Peyton talked about how he want Moreno to get the first down without scoring so Peyton could run out the clock. Do you guys think that Peyton had no faith that the defense could close out the game vs, the cowboys?
The Defense was gashed on every drive after Woodyard, Harris and Ayers went out. So , Yeah , I don't think anyone thought giving the ball back to Dallas, even up a TD, was a good idea.

Running the clock down to set up the FG ensured they wouldn't get a chance to come back, but was a little risky (possibility of a fumbled snap, etc). I wouldn't have liked our chances in OT unless we got the ball first ( 50-50 at best).

Basically the last team to have the ball was going to win that game, and thanks to Trevathan ( and Romo) we had it.
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Moreno probably has to take more rests then normal because he uses so much energy trying to get up from under the pile so fast.........hahaha.
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3rd week in a row I am asking this question. Please! One of you film study guys!

The running game is much improved, and imho this is not a trivial issue. Is there indications that part of the reason is that Alex Gibbs zone blocking starting to pay dividends? Or am I all wet?
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Our game next week against Jacksonville is as close to a sure thing as has ever been seen in the NFL (according to Vegas, at least). How many of the following players can we rest next week and still be reasonably assured of a victory?

1) Wesley Woodyard (neck)
2) Danny Trevathan (knee)
3) Champ Bailey (ankle)
4) Robert Ayers (shoulder)
5) Chris Harris Jr. (concussion)
6) Ronnie Hillman (ankle)
7) Chris Kuper (old age)
8) Eric Decker (has appeared on injury report for ankle injury the last two weeks)
9) Duke Ihenacho (had an ankle injury in week 2, hasn't been the same since)
10) Paris Lenon (questionable with a thigh injury last week)

Personally, I say that if we give all 10 the week off, we still beat the Jags by 10....
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Over/ Under how much time Brosweiler plays on Sunday?
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i missed week 4 podcast...did it disappear?

I would like to hear thoughts on what you would buy Peyton for Christmas...dude has everything so your ideas better be good.

Also, is Gene Kravitz wearing a #27 jersey yet?

Serious Question: Is John Fox credited for this success - if so, how much. Is he the DB coach for the long haul?

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No, real life got in the way and it was canceled.

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I would like to hear thoughts on what you would buy Peyton for Christmas...dude has everything so your ideas better be good.

Also, is Gene Kravitz wearing a #27 jersey yet?

Serious Question: Is John Fox credited for this success - if so, how much. Is he the DB coach for the long haul?
I would love to answer all these questions.
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1) Will we see Brock in the second half in the Jags game?
2) How does getting Champ back help the D?
3) Can we get more half naked pics of Rev?
4) How many times can Taco bench 225?
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We all noticed that the Refs did not appear to be calling holding very much on the Cowboy's offensive line. However, the appeared to at least be equal offenders and let the Broncos O-line get away with some pretty blatant holds as well. Maybe this is me going all conspiracy theory, but is it possible that the refs were advised to call a looser game to encourage a shoot-out? If they call the came tighter, I would have to believe it benefits the Broncos more as Peyton doesn't need his guys to hold their blocks as long.
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If podcast questions are still open I would like to know what you guys thought about the Boys mercilessly holding our D line? If you don't have thoughts on it, then the question is, why am I the only one who seems worked up about it?

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We all noticed that the Refs did not appear to be calling holding very much on the Cowboy's offensive line. However, the appeared to at least be equal offenders and let the Broncos O-line get away with some pretty blatant holds as well. Maybe this is me going all conspiracy theory, but is it possible that the refs were advised to call a looser game to encourage a shoot-out? If they call the came tighter, I would have to believe it benefits the Broncos more as Peyton doesn't need his guys to hold their blocks as long.

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Wow. Some really good questions.

And some opinions/observations:

1. There is nothing wrong with genital fondling or gentle caressing of cheeks. In fact I am willing to bet that is how a majority of us would up on this blue marble floating in space.

2. Which half of the Rev pics will be nude? This is important.

3. If an offensive line can get away with holding and gives up 4 sacks anyway...was it worth it?

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