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Old 10-06-2013, 05:08 PM   #1
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The government shutdown is being felt close to home for some locals. They say they're being forced out of private homes on Lake Mead because they sit on federal land.

Joyce Spencer is 77-years-old and her husband Ralph is 80. They've been spending most of their time in the family ice cream store since going home isn't an option.

The Spencers never expected to be forced out of their Lake Mead home, which they've owned since the 70s, but on Thursday, a park ranger said they had 24 hours to get out.

"I had to go to town today and buy Ralph undershirts and jeans because I forgot his pants," Joyce Spencer told Action News.

The Stewart's Point home sits on federal land, so even though the Spencers own their cabin outright, they're not allowed in until the government reopens.

Park officials said property owners can visit only to retrieve belongings; they sent Action News a statement which reads in part, "Unfortunately overnight stays are not permitted until a budget is passed and the park can reopen."

Joyce Spencer said she's alright in the meantime, staying with nearby family, but the move was a lot to handle as a senior citizen.

"I had to be sure and get his walker and his scooter that he has to go in," Spencer said. "We're not hurt in any way except it might cost me if I have to go buy more pants."

The Lake Mead properties are considered vacation homes; one of the lease requirements to own a plot is people must have an alternative residence.

Regardless, the Spencers said it's their property and they should be allowed in, shutdown or not.
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Old 10-06-2013, 05:13 PM   #2
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Gov't Tries to Close the OCEAN Due to Shutdown

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Charter boat captains in Florida have been informed by the National Park Service that the Florida Bay is closed due to the government shutdown.

The captains, who make a living by taking tourists and anglers on deep-sea fishing trips, are prohibited from fishing in 1,100 square miles of ocean until the shutdown ends. They are also banned from Biscayne National Park.

Rangers will be on duty to enforce the ban. In fact, the personnel and resources required to shut down the ocean will probably cost more than keeping it open. Brilliant.

Breitbart reporter Mike Flynn hit the nail on the head:

This is governing by temper-tantrum. It is on par with the government’s ham-fisted attempts to close the DC WWII Memorial, an open-air public monument that is normally accessible 24 hours a day. By accessible I mean, you walk up to it. When you have finished reflecting, you then walk away from it.

At least that Memorial is an actual structure, with some kind of perimeter that can be fenced off. Florida Bay is the ocean. How, pray tell, do you “close” 1,100 square miles of ocean? Why would one even need to do so?

Apparently, according to an anonymous Park Service ranger, “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

Americans from both sides have criticized the unnecessary theatrics that the shutdown has brought. It’s called Washington Monument Syndrome, and it’s basically when officials close down the most popular government services with hopes of upsetting the public enough to pressure lawmakers to act a particular way.

But forget Washington Monument Syndrome. The bottom line is that Washington is taking advantage of the situation just to make a point, and it seems they have no limits. First the forests, then the monuments, and now the ocean? When will it stop?

Next - 13 National Parks: How They Were Impacted by Government Shutdown
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Old 10-06-2013, 05:23 PM   #3
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Usually liberals would be freaking out about such stories, but they reserve that when democrats are not responsible of course. So these stories barely get reported, if at all.
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Usually liberals would be freaking out about such stories, but they reserve that when democrats are not responsible of course. So these stories barely get reported, if at all.
Apparently booting people from private homes too close to the King's Lands is considered an essential federal service.
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http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...irs-anger-S-D-

If you've ever been to Mt Rushmore, the highway that drives by the park area has a pull-out lane for traffic to pull over and catch a glimpse of the mountain. Note, this is completely separate from the park itself. Is really just another lane added to the highway at a point where you can see the faces.

And your federal masters Barrycaded it off. A fricking parking lane on a highway. But keep clapping, Roh. Keep clapping.
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If you've ever been to Mt Rushmore, the highway that drives by the park area has a pull-out lane for traffic to pull over and catch a glimpse of the mountain. Note, this is completely separate from the park itself. Is really just another lane added to the highway at a point where you can see the faces.

And your federal masters Barrycaded it off. A fricking parking lane on a highway. But keep clapping, Roh. Keep clapping.
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Right Wingers: The only people stupid enough to shut down the government and then blame the other guys for the effects.
So what you're saying is a shut down government should send 'essential' workers out blocking off scenic outlooks on highways, kicking people out of homes, shutting down missing children websites... etc etc.

By this standard, shouldn't the super-expensive, round-the-clock work on the King's new health care exchange site also be halted? Or is the public 'pain' to be experienced completely subject to his royal highness' discretion?

Maybe he should shut down the Interstate system. Or maybe only in Red States. Whatever it is, Roh's on board.

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Right Wingers: The only people stupid enough to shut down the government and then blame the other guys for the effects.
It's amazing to watch.

Are their supporters really so stupid as to buy into that bull****?? ::rhetorical::
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Right Wingers: The only people stupid enough to shut down the government and then blame the other guys for the effects.
Now that's BS and you know it. Obama is going out of his way to make this painful for everyone.

I said it before and I'll say it again. We're just getting started with the STUPID!

Both sides should be kicked to the curb!
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There's quite the right-wing propaganda machine at work.

Do you guys have a calling tree to make sure that everyone uses the same talking-points when they pontificate about how evil Obama is on various and sundry 'Net boards, newspaper comment sites, &c., &c?

I've seen the exact same things mentioned by the usual right-wing pudknockers in several different places this morning.
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There's quite the right-wing propaganda machine at work.

Do you guys have a calling tree to make sure that everyone uses the same talking-points when they pontificate about how evil Obama is on various and sundry 'Net boards, newspaper comment sites, &c., &c?

I've seen the exact same things mentioned by the usual right-wing pudknockers in several different places this morning.
Think of it like a right-of-center Politico version of the IPCC. Then it'll make more sense to you.
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Do you think it's responsible for a "shut down" government to spend more resources on blocking off public areas than they've ever spent on maintaining access to those areas?
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Do you think it's responsible for a "shut down" government to spend more resources on blocking off public areas than they've ever spent on maintaining access to those areas?
Gee, I don't know. How did we get in this fix?
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Gee, I don't know. How did we get in this fix?
Because Democrats have said there can be no government unless citizens are immediately forced to sign up for insurance on an utterly broken system?

Republicans are willing to fund NPS today. The VA today. Interior... check. Military... check. They're willing to fund everything but the individual mandate.

It's Democrats who say nothing gets funded until the mandate does.
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Because Democrats have said there can be no government unless citizens are immediately forced to sign up for insurance on an utterly broken system?

Republicans are willing to fund NPS today. The VA today. Interior... check. Military... check. They're willing to fund everything but the individual mandate.

It's Democrats who say nothing gets funded until the mandate does.
Actually republicans are also willing to pass a clean CR, but that won't happen either.

It's republicans who are holding their own party (and the rest of the country) hostage.

Look within your own ranks before pointing fingers.
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Because Democrats have said there can be no government unless citizens are immediately forced to sign up for insurance on an utterly broken system?

Republicans are willing to fund NPS today. The VA today. Interior... check. Military... check. They're willing to fund everything but the individual mandate.

It's Democrats who say nothing gets funded until the mandate does.
Yeah. That's the main reason I'm opposed to the ACA, the mandate. I don't know why the Republicans came up with that idea in the first place.
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That's a good read. One thing I think Ross is missing though is the nature of entrenched bureaucracy.

The biggest obstacle in downsizing government isn't the people. It's the bureaucracy in full self-service mode, as we see today... even willing to openly do intentional harm to the public in order to protect their domain.

I know there are individuals out there working for the federal government that value true public service and see themselves that way. But on the whole, most of our bureaucratic institutions are corrupt, and would use whatever means they thought they could get away with to protect their turf above and against the public's true interest.
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