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Old 08-21-2013, 02:48 PM   #1
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Default one in three Americans now on food stamps

Last I heard it was one in six. Yikes. Things get worse. MHG

USDA: 101 Million Americans Receive Food Stamps

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Old 08-21-2013, 03:50 PM   #2
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It's going to be hard to get that number going in the other direction too..they can make a pretty good living on the government nipple, better than most entry level jobs. Why work?
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Old 08-21-2013, 05:50 PM   #4
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One in three does not support the official line that we are in a recovery.

Wait til the next meltdown.....

Picture 100 million hungry people in the streets looking for something to eat.

Not a pretty picture.

This is the result of decades of zero leadership.

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Old 08-21-2013, 07:20 PM   #5
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One in three does not support the official line that we are in a recovery.

Wait til the next meltdown.....

Picture 100 million hungry people in the streets looking for something to eat.

Not a pretty picture.

This is the result of decades of zero leadership.

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Old 08-21-2013, 07:22 PM   #6
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Is anyone surpised about this? All the good jobs have left. America has become a service based industry and minimum wage is at $7.50 an hour.

40% of all workers today make less than what people made in 1960.

Raise the minimum wage to $10.50 an hour and you would start to see that change.
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40% of all workers today make less than what people made in 1960.
That means ALL minimum wage workers fall in the other 60% because all minimum wage workers make more now than what minimum wage workers made in 1960. This just proves the point that raising the minimum wage lowers average pay for the more experienced employees. It also increases unemployment and underemployment.

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Raise the minimum wage to $10.50 an hour and you would start to see that change.
How did you arrive at that figure? That's ridiculously high. It's $4 higher than average and $2 higher than the all-time high. You would see unemployment and average pay change for the worse.

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Old 08-22-2013, 06:01 PM   #8
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Raise the minimum wage to $10.50 an hour and you would start to see that change.

Why only $10.50.... what kind of heartless bastard are you

With all the selfish evil employers, holding hours below the Obamacare threshold of 30 hours. $10.50 only gets you $15,000 a year (before taxes, fica, etc.) You can't buy food, shelter, cable tv for 15K. Why won't the selfish community organizers pay better http://www.humanevents.com/2013/07/2...dle-obamacare/


Why not raise min wage to $50. Why not have min hours too. Mandatory 40 hour week. How about a maximum wage too (with exceptions for gov workers / lobbyists / campaign donors)

Maybe we need a new cabinet secretary, and another bunch of bureaucrats. Ministry of Fairness?
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I've seen enough. We have to throw everybody off of food stamps now. Thanks, Fox News. Journalism at its best!
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need to raise the minimum wage

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There should be some disclosure regarding the "food" items that are bought on this program, number one. People in need should get assistance, I don't mind my tax dollars helping out. That said, it shouldn't be helping them buy Mountain Dew and twinkles. Everything bought on his program is tracked..why doesn't the USDA let us know what we're paying for?
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:02 PM   #15
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There should be some disclosure regarding the "food" items that are bought on this program, number one. People in need should get assistance, I don't mind my tax dollars helping out. That said, it shouldn't be helping them buy Mountain Dew and twinkles. Everything bought on his program is tracked..why doesn't the USDA let us know what we're paying for?
Doing so will cost more of your taxpayer money, but I agree...there ought to be some restrictions on "luxury items" which are currently considered "food items".

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Eligible Food Items

Households CAN use SNAP benefits to buy:
Foods for the household to eat, such as:
-- breads and cereals;
-- fruits and vegetables;
-- meats, fish and poultry; and
-- dairy products.


Seeds and plants which produce food for the household to eat.

In some areas, restaurants can be authorized to accept SNAP benefits from qualified homeless, elderly, or disabled people in exchange for low-cost meals.

Households CANNOT use SNAP benefits to buy:
Beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco;


Any nonfood items, such as:
-- pet foods;
-- soaps, paper products; and
-- household supplies.


Vitamins and medicines.


Food that will be eaten in the store.


Hot foods.

Additional Information

“Junk Food” & Luxury Items
The Food and Nutrition Act of 2008 (the Act) defines eligible food as any food or food product for home consumption and also includes seeds and plants which produce food for consumption by SNAP households. The Act precludes the following items from being purchased with SNAP benefits: alcoholic beverages, tobacco products, hot food and any food sold for on-premises consumption. Nonfood items such as pet foods, soaps, paper products, medicines and vitamins, household supplies, grooming items, and cosmetics, also are ineligible for purchase with SNAP benefits.

Soft drinks, candy, cookies, snack crackers, and ice cream are food items and are therefore eligible items


Seafood, steak, and bakery cakes are also food items and are therefore eligible items


Since the current definition of food is a specific part of the Act, any change to this definition would require action by a member of Congress. Several times in the history of SNAP, Congress had considered placing limits on the types of food that could be purchased with program benefits. However, they concluded that designating foods as luxury or non-nutritious would be administratively costly and burdensome. Further detailed information about the challenges of restricting the use of SNAP benefits can be found here:

Report -- Implications of Restricting the use of
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Energy Drinks
When considering the eligibility of energy drinks, and other branded products, the primary determinant is the type of product label chosen by the manufacturer to conform to Food and Drug Administration (FDA) guidelines:

Energy drinks that have a nutrition facts label are eligible foods


Energy drinks that have a supplement facts label are classified by the FDA as supplements, and are therefore not eligible

Live Animals
Live animals may not be purchased with SNAP benefits.


Pumpkins, Holiday Gift Baskets, and Special Occasion Cakes
Pumpkins are edible and eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits. However, inedible gourds and pumpkins that are used solely for ornamental purposes are not eligible items.

Gift baskets that contain both food and non-food items, are not eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits if the value of the non-food items exceeds 50 percent of the purchase price.
To read our most recent notice about Gift Baskets, click here.

Items such as birthday and other special occasion cakes are eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits as long as the value of non-edible decorations does not exceed 50 percent of the purchase price of the cake.
I'd be more willing to allow someone to use foodstamps to buy a live animal (commonly used for consumption, i.e. chickens) than I would energy drinks, but hey.

Good luck getting Congress to agree on what is and isn't "food" though. More than likely any move in this arena would be used as leverage in the current b**** fit against the ACA.

But as they always say, the best method of getting your thoughts conveyed to Congress is writing your Rep.
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The issue shouldn't be how we need to cut back on food stamps. It should be how do we get people off of food stamps.
Raise the minimum wage and people will get off of food stamps. You can work full time at Wal-mart or McDonalds and still be in the poverty range. That is just stupid.

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The issue shouldn't be how we need to cut back on food stamps. It should be how do we get people off of food stamps.
Raise the minimum wage and people will get off of food stamps. You can work full time at Wal-mart or McDonalds and still be in the poverty range. That is just stupid.

By that argument more people should already be off.

It's all about motivation. If I can feel content on government assistance, why would I ever go out and change my life?

There is no silver bullet solution here, but there needs to be an incentive to not have people habitually use this stuff. First step IMO is that food stamp can only be used for food items, period.
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First step IMO is that food stamp can only be used for food items, period.
Write your Congressman.

It's a perfectly reasonable and logical argument that "food" stamps should be used for "food".

I wouldn't even be opposed to restricting which types of "food" can be purchased, or even making a "food stamp specific" category of foods that are produced through government and/or other subsidies especially intended for consumption for lower income people.

I'm not entirely sure on this, but I also believe certain places (like gas stations) are not allowed to accept food stamps at all unless they carry things like fresh fruit and vegetables ("fresh" is obviously used loosely in this context). Naturally people walk right by that and head for the Monster energy drinks. If that's the case, that needs to stop, as well, although I suppose reclassifying "food" would change a lot of that anyhow.
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Write your Congressman.

It's a perfectly reasonable and logical argument that "food" stamps should be used for "food".

I wouldn't even be opposed to restricting which types of "food" can be purchased, or even making a "food stamp specific" category of foods that are produced through government and/or other subsidies especially intended for consumption for lower income people.

I'm not entirely sure on this, but I also believe certain places (like gas stations) are not allowed to accept food stamps at all unless they carry things like fresh fruit and vegetables ("fresh" is obviously used loosely in this context). Naturally people walk right by that and head for the Monster energy drinks. If that's the case, that needs to stop, as well, although I suppose reclassifying "food" would change a lot of that anyhow.
At Walmart, for example, you can purcahse just about anything with EBT. It used to be exactly as we're describing.
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By that argument more people should already be off.

It's all about motivation. If I can feel content on government assistance, why would I ever go out and change my life?

There is no silver bullet solution here, but there needs to be an incentive to not have people habitually use this stuff. First step IMO is that food stamp can only be used for food items, period.
The primary incentive is the availability of work. The crux of the issue is twofold: 1. tens of millions of jobs have gone offshore and 2. Investors are not investing. They are either holding onto their cash -- or engaging in wild speculation. America, indeed, the world has become a casino.

At the root of thee problems is the void of leadership in our nation. That's a top down problem.

Unfortunately, it is no longer possible to effect a change at the ballot box. We are stuck as a nation, terminally dysfunctional. None of the safety valves for change work anymore.

So things must continue to get worse. Sooner or later, the shyte will really hit the fan. MHG
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By that argument more people should already be off.

It's all about motivation. If I can feel content on government assistance, why would I ever go out and change my life?

There is no silver bullet solution here, but there needs to be an incentive to not have people habitually use this stuff. First step IMO is that food stamp can only be used for food items, period.
how is about motivation? People can work 40 hours at McDonalds and 20 hours at Wal-Mart and I still bring home under $20,000 for my family of 4.
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Beef is getting too damned expensive. We should eat the poor.
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Beef is getting too damned expensive. We should eat the poor.



Just add Sweet Baby Rays BBQ sauce. It makes any meat taste good!
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Just add Sweet Baby Rays BBQ sauce. It makes any meat taste good!
Their meat is probably stringy, but slow braising ought to work.
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Not sure where these numbers are coming from. This article says 47 million, or 15% of the population.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...mps-explained/
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