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Old 06-25-2013, 12:21 PM   #1
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He later added, addressing those who deny climate change science: “We don’t have time for a meeting of the flat-earth society.”
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...te-change?lite

What this should mean, regarding Keystone, is that it never sees the light of day. There is no way Keystone will ever meet the criteria Obama has set forth , “Allowing the Keystone pipeline to be built requires a finding that doing so would be in our nation's interest." It can't meet that test, either environmentally or economically.

Certainly, this is not enough, (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/...ent-obama.html) but if we wait for Congress to do something, nothing will ever happen, and I do mean nothing. As the old man once said, "They're useless as teats on a boar."

This is a good opening salvo, IMO.

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Old 06-25-2013, 12:29 PM   #2
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The science of reality has flipped the question of who the real flat-earthers are.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ...climate-change

As should always have been expected, these measures are far more about government control than any realistic impact on the planet.

Oh, and that oil's still going to market. Just in much less carbon-friendly vehicles than a pipeline. Perverse. But unfortunately in politics, you're not going anywhere if you don't DO SOMETHING for the cameras.
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The science of reality has flipped the question of who the real flat-earthers are.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ...climate-change

As should always have been expected, these measures are far more about government control than any realistic impact on the planet.

Oh, and that oil's still going to market. Just in much less carbon-friendly vehicles than a pipeline. Perverse. But unfortunately in politics, you're not going anywhere if you don't DO SOMETHING for the cameras.
The melting of ice all over the world has not plateaued at all. Neither have rising sea levels. Also, keep in mind that we don't know what it means when warming plateaus in various regions. In some regions it's getting hotter. Does it mean climate change is going to reverse? Of course not. We probably don't know yet what it means. This is the problem with political writers addressing the science. They pluck out the one statistic they like and build their case on it. Scientists don't do that. They look at the whole.

I've heard this argument before. Nobody can prove that it causes cancer, so just wait until they do. Meanwhile, keep smoking, man.

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The melting of ice all over the world has not plateaued at all. Neither have rising sea levels. Also, keep in mind that we don't know what it means when warming plateaus in various regions. In some regions it's getting hotter. Does it mean climate change is going to reverse? Of course not. We probably don't know yet what it means. This is the problem with political writers addressing the science. They pluck out the one statistic they like and build their case on it. Scientists don't do that. They look at the whole.

I've heard this argument before. Nobody can prove that is causes cancer, so just wait until they do. Meanwhile, keep smoking, man.
If having political writers addressing it is a problem, imagine how bad it is when Politicians get in on it.
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The science of reality has flipped the question of who the real flat-earthers are.
You take a blog reporting on a political magazine column as the source?

Why not the science?
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You take a blog reporting on a political magazine column as the source?

Why not the science?
Would it help if I went the Wagsian Cheesy Science Blog route?

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Would it help if I went the Wagsian Cheesy Science Blog route?
Oh yeah - the cheesy Spencer with his faulty satellite data and his spaghetti plots.

I wonder why his UAH product is so different than the RSS product. They both use satellites - why don't they match identically?
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Oh yeah - the cheesy Spencer with his faulty satellite data and his spaghetti plots.

I wonder why his UAH product is so different than the RSS product. They both use satellites - why don't they match identically?
Dude give it up. Even the true believers are admitting they can't explain the 15 year hiatus. Bring back some of your vaunted scientific skepticism and maintain some form of credibility.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/06/11...e-plateau.html
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The flat-earth society does have some powerful politicians in its corner.
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Obama has nothing he can do but destory the economy some more to satisfy the hard leaning left that right now is pissed at him. The Canadian oil will get fracked either way its just now we won't get anything from it.
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Obama has nothing he can do but destory the economy some more to satisfy the hard leaning left that right now is pissed at him. The Canadian oil will get fracked either way its just now we won't get anything from it.
Have you been following the news? Have you been seeing the stories upon stories of oil spills in recent months? Like the 5 million liters spilled in Alberta alone this year, one of which was from 5 year old pipes? Canada's problem? The same company is doing the manufacturing in the US, and they're notorious for cheaping out...they outright denied to fit state of the art analysis equipment recommended by the US government because it would cost too much.

Did you also know no one knows how to effectively clean up tar sands oil bitumen? Go try fishing the Kalamazoo River near Marshall. I wouldn't even recommend canoeing it.
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Have you been following the news? Have you been seeing the stories upon stories of oil spills in recent months? Like the 5 million liters spilled in Alberta alone this year, one of which was from 5 year old pipes? Canada's problem? The same company is doing the manufacturing in the US, and they're notorious for cheaping out...they outright denied to fit state of the art analysis equipment recommended by the US government because it would cost too much.

Did you also know no one knows how to effectively clean up tar sands oil bitumen? Go try fishing the Kalamazoo River near Marshall. I wouldn't even recommend canoeing it.
So you are saying the pipeline will break? How many pipelines out of all USA pipelines do you think have had a spill?
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So you are saying the pipeline will break? How many pipelines out of all USA pipelines do you think have had a spill?
I'm saying it will break.

I'm also saying that company (Enbridge) is already responsible for the largest pipeline oil spill in US history.

I'm also saying you can't clean it up once it does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enbridge_oil_spill

And as far as how many? See for yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills

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So you are saying the pipeline will break? How many pipelines out of all USA pipelines do you think have had a spill?
Oil pipelines leak like sieves -- everything from small leaks to catastrophic ruptures. It's impossible to build a thousands of miles long pipe that doesn't.


Take a look for yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...#United_States

That list doesn't even include the "trivial" incidents that happen on a daily basis.
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Oil pipelines leak like sieves -- everything from small leaks to catastrophic ruptures. It's impossible to build a thousands of miles long pipe that doesn't.


Take a look for yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...#United_States

That list doesn't even include the "trivial" incidents that happen on a daily basis.
Like this one?

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Man. "The Flat Earth Society" is right. You think the ocean's aren't warming? Read this, dumbasses: http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...ain-boris-worm

Man, this pisses me off. We are about to wipe out the world's coral reefs and we're more worried about how much money an energy executive has in his Aruban bank account. What would you rather have, a sea full of tuna or a sea full of jelly fish? Your call, dumbasses.

This is what a coral reef looks like:


This is what it looks like after the water gets too warm:


This is what sequoia trees look like:


What are they going to look like when the seas warm too much to create the cool coastal fogs these trees rely on for life?

What you are fighting for are the short term commercial self-interests of a handful of billionaires over (if you believe in that sort of thing) the rightful care-taking of God's green Earth.

Nothing so stupid as a Right Wing mouth-breather; Preach God on one hand, destroy His Earth with the other.

And if you don't believe in God, where would you like to move to once the forests are scorching deserts and the seas are filled with jelly fish?

You know why the Koch Brothers and Exxon Mobil spend billions to attack the science of global warming? Because they only give a **** about themselves and their own lives. Greed. When you sign on with them, you become the puppets of their greed.
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More fun facts to share with the mouth-breathers:

Global warming has long been blamed for the huge rise in the world's jellyfish population. But new research suggests that they, in turn, may be worsening the problem by producing more carbon than the oceans can cope with.

Research led by Rob Condon of the Virginia Institute of Marine Science in the US focuses on the effect that the increasing numbers of jellyfish are having on marine bateria, which play an important role by recycling nutrients created by decaying organisms back into the food web. The study, published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, finds that while bacteria are capable of absorbing the constituent carbon, nitrogen, phosphorus and other chemicals given off by most fish when they die, they cannot do the same with jellyfish. The invertebrates, populating the seas in ever-increasing numbers, break down into biomass with especially high levels of carbon, which the bacteria cannot absorb well. Instead of using it to grow, the bacteria breathe it out as carbon dioxide. This means more of the gas is released into the atmosphere.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ton-ocean-acid

"Gee, Mister Scientist. You mean there are not just effects that you can read on a thermometer, but also side-effects that you might not imagine until they happen? Who woulda thunk it?"
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More fun facts to share with the mouth-breathers:

Global warming has long been blamed for the huge rise in the world's jellyfish population. But new research suggests that they, in turn, may be worsening the problem by producing more carbon than the oceans can cope with.

Research led by Rob Condon of the Virginia Institute of Marine Science in the US focuses on the effect that the increasing numbers of jellyfish are having on marine bateria, which play an important role by recycling nutrients created by decaying organisms back into the food web. The study, published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, finds that while bacteria are capable of absorbing the constituent carbon, nitrogen, phosphorus and other chemicals given off by most fish when they die, they cannot do the same with jellyfish. The invertebrates, populating the seas in ever-increasing numbers, break down into biomass with especially high levels of carbon, which the bacteria cannot absorb well. Instead of using it to grow, the bacteria breathe it out as carbon dioxide. This means more of the gas is released into the atmosphere.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ton-ocean-acid

"Gee, Mister Scientist. You mean there are not just effects that you can read on a thermometer, but also side-effects that you might not imagine until they happen? Who woulda thunk it?"
Well, if you don't believe it's happening in the first place, you'll just make up other excuses. Of course it's not the fault of climate change, that doesn't exist.

It's because the taxes on companies who fish jellyfish predators are too high.
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Well, if you don't believe it's happening in the first place, you'll just make up other excuses. Of course it's not the fault of climate change, that doesn't exist.

It's because the taxes on companies who fish jellyfish predators are too high.
Now imagine billions of tons of dead jellyfish sinking into the abysses of the oceans and rotting there in a great mass. I wonder what kind of gasses that will create?

Everybody who doesn't believe in this science should be made to keep a reef tank. Nothing too big. Thirty gallons. See what happens when the salinity, or the alkalinity, or the calcium, or the phosphates, or the nitrates, get a little out of whack. The margins for error are very small. And what happens? Everything dies. Well, everything except for algae. They love it. I wonder how an algae salad sandwich tastes?
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Gotta love beavis,on abortion he use a handful of cases to support his view on abortion.on climate change he ignores years of scientific data
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Gotta love beavis,on abortion he use a handful of cases to support his view on abortion.on climate change he ignores years of scientific data
Years of scientific data showing vastly less warming than the doomsday models predicted? Only one side is currently ignoring the data.
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Years of scientific data showing vastly less warming than the doomsday models predicted? Only one side is currently ignoring the data.
Right now, you are getting a spiritual pat on the head from the Koch Brothers. Enjoy.
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Years of scientific data showing vastly less warming than the doomsday models predicted? Only one side is currently ignoring the data.
Yeah. Your side.
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Yeah. Your side.
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