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Old 06-19-2013, 09:13 PM   #1
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When all is said and done, Miller is a head above everyone else.

He has the ENTIRE package when it comes to pass rushing available to him and will only get better with experience.


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Old 06-19-2013, 09:16 PM   #2
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So Elvis is not in the top 25 pass rushers?? He'll get at least 14 sacks this year.
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:00 PM   #3
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So Elvis is not in the top 25 pass rushers?? He'll get at least 14 sacks this year.

He is not getting any opening night which by the way I called.


He will still be sitting home for the playoffs.........enjoy those two exra nickels you got for going to Baltimore.
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He is not getting any opening night which by the way I called.


He will still be sitting home for the playoffs.........enjoy those two exra nickels you got for going to Baltimore.
Not if he is going against Clady. If they switch him to the other side I bet he'll get one.
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Old 06-20-2013, 03:03 PM   #5
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So Elvis is not in the top 25 pass rushers?? He'll get at least 14 sacks this year.
lol no he wont
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:42 PM   #6
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[QUOTE=Bacchus;3865427]So Elvis is not in the top 25 pass rushers?? He'll get at least 14 sacks this year.

I'll take the under on that for sure. Doom gets maybe 10 sacks.
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A healthy Doom could get you between 12-14 sacks. Since his injury his shoulder seems to get banged up for a few games and that slows him down. I say he gets 11.5 next year. Our DE's that replace him combine for 12.
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:31 PM   #8
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A healthy Doom could get you between 12-14 sacks. Since his injury his shoulder seems to get banged up for a few games and that slows him down. I say he gets 11.5 next year. Our DE's that replace him combine for 12.
I'll take the under for $20
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Under for what? Doom or the guys that we replaced him with?
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Obviously I am thrilled PM is on our team and IMO is the biggest difference maker on our team. But after him, it's all about Von Miller. He is the biggest difference maker on our defense and he's just a baby and will only get better. Could be the best defensive player in the NFL this year, and could have easily been the DMVP last year also.
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Obviously I am thrilled PM is on our team and IMO is the biggest difference maker on our team. But after him, it's all about Von Miller. He is the biggest difference maker on our defense and he's just a baby and will only get better. Could be the best defensive player in the NFL this year, and could have easily been the DMVP last year also.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:52 AM   #12
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List is just "edge rushers," so no Watt.

And Aldon Smith is just 6th ... behind Cameron Wake?!

Stupid list.
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Old 06-20-2013, 02:34 PM   #13
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List is just "edge rushers," so no Watt.

And Aldon Smith is just 6th ... behind Cameron Wake?!

Stupid list.
Half of Aldon's Sacks came because Justin Smith literally held his blocker. Look at his sack reel.

0 sacks for Aldon with Justin Smith out the lineup in THREE games

Von/Watt >>>>>> Aldon

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Old 06-21-2013, 12:15 AM   #14
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Half of Aldon's Sacks came because Justin Smith literally held his blocker. Look at his sack reel.

0 sacks for Aldon with Justin Smith out the lineup in THREE games

Von/Watt >>>>>> Aldon
... my point was about Cameron Wake. And JJ Watt is not part of this list, this is just edge-rushers.

You make decent points, but kinda one-sided and incomplete, to wit:
  • Von Miller had three straight sackless games too, finished 2011 reg season like that
  • But Aldon Smith went even more than the 3 you mentioned, he went SIX straight w/o a sack - none in 3 playoff games
  • Justin Smith is money for his brother Aldon (49ers extended him today), but Von had Elvis Dumervil alongside both his seasons ... two Pro Bowl years for Elvis, who more than doubled Justin Smith's sack totals

The numbers are all over the place. I agree Von's a better pass-rusher, but not by much. Aldon has bested him in sacks both seasons, let's wait 'til Von beats his numbers before we go with your >>>>>>>>>>. For now I'll say >>>.

Pretty easy to rank them overall...

Ranking all pass rushers:

1. JJ Watt >>>>>>
2. Von Miller >>>
3. Aldon Smith
. . . . . . then the rest . . . . . .
Matthews, Suggs, Ware, Wake, etc ....

That's the list. If somebody disagree, they're not paying attention or they just don't get it.
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... my point was about Cameron Wake. And JJ Watt is not part of this list, this is just edge-rushers.

You make decent points, but kinda one-sided and incomplete, to wit:
  • Von Miller had three straight sackless games too, finished 2011 reg season like that
  • But Aldon Smith went even more than the 3 you mentioned, he went SIX straight w/o a sack - none in 3 playoff games
  • Justin Smith is money for his brother Aldon (49ers extended him today), but Von had Elvis Dumervil alongside both his seasons ... two Pro Bowl years for Elvis, who more than doubled Justin Smith's sack totals

The numbers are all over the place. I agree Von's a better pass-rusher, but not by much. Aldon has bested him in sacks both seasons, let's wait 'til Von beats his numbers before we go with your >>>>>>>>>>. For now I'll say >>>.

Pretty easy to rank them overall...

Ranking all pass rushers:

1. JJ Watt >>>>>>
2. Von Miller >>>
3. Aldon Smith
. . . . . . then the rest . . . . . .
Matthews, Suggs, Ware, Wake, etc ....

That's the list. If somebody disagree, they're not paying attention or they just don't get it.
Aldon lines up NEXT to Justin Smith. Von lines up across from Elvis. Looking at film you can literally see Justin Smith holding and grabbing the tackle blocking Aldon, or Justin holding the Gaurd and Tackle when Aldon stunts inside. and yeah SIX straight games without a sack for Aldon, whereas Von didn't have a sack in three games because one of his hands was turned into a CLUB(look at my profile pic).
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Aldon lines up NEXT to Justin Smith. Von lines up across from Elvis. Looking at film you can literally see Justin Smith holding and grabbing the tackle blocking Aldon, or Justin holding the Gaurd and Tackle when Aldon stunts inside. and yeah SIX straight games without a sack for Aldon, whereas Von didn't have a sack in three games because one of his hands was turned into a CLUB(look at my profile pic).
This is exactly right. Aldon is great pass rusher, but Smith helps his numbers a ton. Hes such a distributive force that teams have to double him a majority of the time. And like others have said, without Smith, Aldon hasnt accumulated sacks.

Ive watched a lot of Niners games living here in norcal, and most of my friends are niners fans, and every single one agrees Von is a much better pass rusher than Smith.

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Pretty easy to rank them overall...

Ranking all pass rushers:

1. JJ Watt >>>>>>
2. Von Miller >>>
3. Aldon Smith
. . . . . . then the rest . . . . . .
Matthews, Suggs, Ware, Wake, etc ....

That's the list. If somebody disagree, they're not paying attention or they just don't get it.
Or they don't just look at sack totals...

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Or they don't just look at sack totals... Percentage of pass rushes resulting in QB pressures:
Yes, now you're talking ... indeed sacks are just one of several stats that measure pass-rushing skill. But in making that point, you help cement my rankings as accurate:
1) Watt >>>>>>>
2) Miller >>>
3) A.Smith
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4) The rest....
Why does your argument to look at more than mere sack totals bolster these rankings? Because of the REST of the stats that measure pass-rushing skill: Passes batted down (he led the league with a record 16), Defeats (led league with a record 56), QB disruptions (led league w 76), and finally led the league in both sacks (20.5) and TFL (16). SO impressive I had to add one more > to his lead. But I won't be fooled again, he won't McGwire me ... I'm ready any day to see "Watt tests positive for banned substance." Hope not, but I'm ready.
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List is just "edge rushers," so no Watt.

And Aldon Smith is just 6th ... behind Cameron Wake?!

Stupid list.
Wake is a monster. Doesn't get the press, but he's an animal.
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List is just "edge rushers," so no Watt.

And Aldon Smith is just 6th ... behind Cameron Wake?!

Stupid list.
Id take Wake over Smith any day of the week. He is a much better player IMO.
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Id take Wake over Smith any day of the week. He is a much better player IMO.
Aldon was nothing special without Justin there to take up blockers. Don't forget the rest of the cast as well. People forget just how much of an advantage Aldon has had by playing in SF. Aldon isn't horrid or anything, but Wake did more with less relatively speaking. That's why it's scary to think what Von could do with a nasty interior and hopefully another PR threat like a Doom on the other side.
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Old 06-22-2013, 11:56 AM   #22
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Id take Wake over Smith any day of the week. He is a much better player IMO.
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Old 06-20-2013, 03:00 PM   #23
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Melvin Trax Ingram justissed. How does that make a bit of sense. ED missing the list especially when player like tamba missed it over Justin Houston...
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Dumerville may have a good year just to prove a point, but he has not been a top 25 for us for a couple years now. How many times did he sack Flacco before one of those prayers he threw turned into huge touchdowns?
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Dumerville may have a good year just to prove a point, but he has not been a top 25 for us for a couple years now. How many times did he sack Flacco before one of those prayers he threw turned into huge touchdowns?

Doom's production will be easily replaced.
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