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Old 06-13-2013, 11:17 AM   #1
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Spielberg says there's going to be an "implosion" of the industry.

Hollywood executives have long been paranoid and insecure. Now they have cause to be. “The business model within film is broken,” says Amir Malin of Qualia Capital, a private-equity firm. Between 2007 and 2011, pre-tax profits of the five studios controlled by large media conglomerates (Disney, Universal, Paramount, Twentieth Century Fox and Warner Bros) fell by around 40%, says Benjamin Swinburne of Morgan Stanley. He reckons the studios account for less than 10% of their parent companies’ profits today, and by 2020 their share will decline to only around 5%. That is because the “big six” studios (the other is Sony Pictures, owned by the eponymous electronics maker) are growing more slowly than TV. In 2012 Time Warner grossed $12 billion from film, up 20% from 2002. That compares with a more than 84% rise in the company’s TV-network revenues during the period, to $14.2 billion.
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George Lucas, who was also on hand at USC for the opening of a new building at the School of Cinematic Arts, concurred with Spielberg's prognosis. "The pathway to get into theaters is really getting smaller and smaller."

But what would a post-"implosion" world look like?

"You're gonna have to pay $25 for the next 'Iron Man,'" Spielberg said, while, " you're probably only going to have to pay $7 to see 'Lincoln.'"
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:24 AM   #2
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A bit alarmist given the industry as a whole is still setting records year after year with attendance numbers

And you already pay like $25 to see iron man lol
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:31 AM   #3
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A bit alarmist given the industry as a whole is still setting records year after year with attendance numbers
And you already pay like $25 to see iron man lol
attendance numbers are flat. Their numbers are inlfated due to ticket price increases.

http://www.mpaa.org/Resources/3037b7...fca3abdf1b.pdf
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:38 AM   #4
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attendance numbers are flat. Their numbers are inlfated due to ticket price increases.

http://www.mpaa.org/Resources/3037b7...fca3abdf1b.pdf
Valid point. Raise the ticket prices = raising overall revenue

Either way, I think the industry is prepped for a stong summer (again) and I certainly don't see any implosions happening any time soon. Even during hard economic times, the movie industry has historically done better than most, as people look for avenues of escape, etc.

The movie going experience is one of the cherished shared social experiences in American society, and even despite recent tragedies I see this as holding strong for quite some time.

Might go see This Is The End this weekend.


(Brag: I work in the industry and one of my perks is a +1 season pass so I basically watch any movie I want for a whopping admission price of $0. Boom.



Obviously biased on this subject.)

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Old 06-13-2013, 02:45 PM   #5
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A bit alarmist given the industry as a whole is still setting records year after year with attendance numbers

And you already pay like $25 to see iron man lol
Yeah, it may be that as a share of their parent companies they are shrinking. But that's only because movie studios used to be movie studios. Now they've all been swallowed up by huge mass media conglomerates. That may lead to some studio frustration here and there, but 'implosion' is a bit much.
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Old 06-13-2013, 03:06 PM   #6
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And you already pay like $25 to see iron man lol
I think I paid $10.50 to see it at Century Aurora. A good movie but not a great one.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:28 AM   #7
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once prices went over 10 i decided to take a break from seeing movies every weekend.........and sadly (for them) i dont miss it.
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once prices went over 10 i decided to take a break from seeing movies every weekend.........and sadly (for them) i dont miss it.
I illegally DL all the movies
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Not to mention $10 to $20 for a popcorn and soda. (Since the theatres depend on concessions in order to operate).
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:31 AM   #10
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George Lucas drives me crazy. Wanna know why RED TAILS almost didnt make it into the theaters? Because it was a complete piece of ****. HBO made movie on the same subject matter in the 90s that was better.

This feels like insulated rich people making prophecies.
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George Lucas drives me crazy. Wanna know why RED TAILS almost didnt make it into the theaters? Because it was a complete piece of ****. HBO made movie on the same subject matter in the 90s that was better.

This feels like insulated rich people making prophecies.
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Besides going to the drive in right near my house that I think is the last one open in Ohio I haven't went out to see a movie in 10 years or more.

And I just go to the drive in every so often for the nostalgia more then anything.

Going to see a movie in a theater to me as always seemed like a really crappy way to see a movie. I'll take my living room and the pause button any day.
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I've seen I think 4 movies since my son was born 4+ years ago (Inception and some chick flick that my wife wanted to see?, Flight and 42 - 2 movies in the last 6 months, we're really stepping it up recently!), and I can't say I've missed it all that much. I remember going to the movies all the time before. Maybe it's just the Amazon Prime/Netflix mentality I have now. That I don't have to see it right away or in the theater - I'll catch it sometime and all the special effects (with no story!) is overrated.
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It's all about value. Movies have been mostly a young peoples pass time. With the gouging and the ticket line and especially the concession line people are finding other things to do with their discretionary cash.


If that stop paying 25mil to the lead actor that would help a lot.
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It's all about value. Movies have been mostly a young peoples pass time. With the gouging and the ticket line and especially the concession line people are finding other things to do with their discretionary cash.


If that stop paying 25mil to the lead actor that would help a lot.
And young people can usually dig up any movie they want to see online even if it just hit theaters ... Hell sometimes before.

I've seen so many movies before they come out where the industry gives screener copies to "important people" who dump it on Irc or torrents.
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They need to give themselves some more awards.
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Old 06-13-2013, 06:03 PM   #17
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I love this comment. It's become quite old seeing people who win academy awards get up on stage and try to lecture people on the importance of the work they do...as if people couldn't live without movies. Meanwhile, they jack up ticket prices while boxing out independent films.

The truth is, in any given year, and Indy or foreign film is better than the movie what wins a lot of awards.

Hollywood has become an incestuous joke. It's become a bunch of formulaic garbage.

The one good thing that was mentioned was the idea of paying 7 dollars for Lincoln. Part of the problem is that all movies are priced the same. You're always paying so much to see a home run, that you can't appreciate a double or a triple.

The movie industry is simply out of touch.
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Friday night movies was something I did as a kid until I went to college. I get five dollar discount tickets from my credit union. Fair deal. Some days have free popcorn. The concessions cost the most. Nachos and a water is like $8.50. Under $15 bucks for a fun night out is fine by me. I have probably gone to 15 movies since the turn of the New Year which is more than the past six years combined.
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From my understanding of how the local theatres run their operations, they make absolutely no money on ticket sales because they have to pay soooo damn much money to show the films. So, at best, they break even on the cost to show the film and gross ticket sales.

This is why concessions are so much because this is how the theatres make profits. So, if you don't buy from the concessions, you aren't really helping the movie theatre make money.

It's a bad, bad, bad, and broke system when the retailers aren't making any money or profit off the actual product they are selling.
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From my understanding of how the local theatres run their operations, they make absolutely no money on ticket sales because they have to pay soooo damn much money to show the films. So, at best, they break even on the cost to show the film and gross ticket sales.

This is why concessions are so much because this is how the theatres make profits. So, if you don't buy from the concessions, you aren't really helping the movie theatre make money.

It's a bad, bad, bad, and broke system when the retailers aren't making any money or profit off the actual product they are selling.

I see a market for good budget movies with talented but reasonably prices actors.

You don't need to blow up ten thousand cars to make a good movie.
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From my understanding of how the local theatres run their operations, they make absolutely no money on ticket sales because they have to pay soooo damn much money to show the films. So, at best, they break even on the cost to show the film and gross ticket sales.

This is why concessions are so much because this is how the theatres make profits. So, if you don't buy from the concessions, you aren't really helping the movie theatre make money.

It's a bad, bad, bad, and broke system when the retailers aren't making any money or profit off the actual product they are selling.
Close, there is a Theatre/ Studio split in the movie business... for the first 4 weeks the move is out, the Studio cut is 90/10. Week 5-6, its 75/25... 6 weeks + is 60/40, or something like that. The Theatres try to renogotiate that inital split because that is where the money is from the tickets. Yes, Concessions are a money make but they often ony make up the ****ty split that theatres get form the big Studios.

You will begin to see massive 20+ screen theatre complexes condolidate int he future, especially as studios consider selling and releasing directly to home theatres.

90% of movies that come out suck, they are just garbage with beautiful models in lieu of talented actors and doo-doo story lines. Dark Knight, long convoluted and boring- saw it home, thank god. Twilight- youre a retard if you thought that movie had a redeeming value- watch it at home, thank god. I am seriously afraid of watching another Hollywood movie, they just tend to be terrible.... the new one with Seth Rogan that is supposed to be funny is not indacted as so in the trailer.. it looks horrific. The only movie I have seen lately that I thought was somewhat interesting was the Hunger Games... notice how every one of the 24 were decent looking thin people not relaistic, but overall watchable.
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I can wait 3-4 months for the $1.50 version at Redbox.



FYI, stay off my lawn
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I think the spoofs/parody trailers on Youtube are just as good as the movies.
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Movie sized box of M and Ms are a buck at grocery store. Four dollars at the movies. I know what to do.
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Movie sized box of M and Ms are a buck at grocery store. Four dollars at the movies. I know what to do.
Point taken and many people do this. I'm just trying to explain why the theatres price the concessions the way they price them. Broke is broke.
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