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Old 06-01-2013, 09:21 AM   #1
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Default OT: Psychologists Examine Conspiracy Theorists

Whether it's anti-gravity and the man keeping Tebow down from MacGruder, or baja's 2012, reptilian control, America is evil and human photosynthesis, or gaffney's... well... everything, we have no shortage of conspiracy theorists on the Mane.

This recent article provides some interesting insight into the minds of these kinds of people.

"Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories" Check out the amazing article at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/ma...&smid=fb-share

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Conspiracy theories also seem to be more compelling to those with low self-worth, especially with regard to their sense of agency in the world at large. Conspiracy theories appear to be a way of reacting to uncertainty and powerlessness.
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“If you know the truth and others don’t, that’s one way you can reassert feelings of having agency,” Swami says. It can be comforting to do your own research even if that research is flawed. It feels good to be the wise old goat in a flock of sheep.
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In that way, Swami says, the Internet and other media have helped perpetuate paranoia. Not only does more exposure to these alternative narratives help engender belief in conspiracies, he says, but the Internet’s tendency toward tribalism helps reinforce misguided beliefs.
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Old 06-01-2013, 09:30 AM   #2
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My sister was left by her abusive husband. She has two kids and is staying in our Aunt's house. She's slowly blamed every single person in her family for her problems and now hates all of us (I apparently disrespected her children on facebook by including a photo of them with my daughter and now she doesn't want to see me.) It's sad but it just seems some people begin to become angrier and bitter and begin to see and blame everyone for all their problems.
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My sister was left by her abusive husband. She has two kids and is staying in our Aunt's house. She's slowly blamed every single person in her family for her problems and now hates all of us (I apparently disrespected her children on facebook by including a photo of them with my daughter and now she doesn't want to see me.) It's sad but it just seems some people begin to become angrier and bitter and begin to see and blame everyone for all their problems.
I think lack of personal responsibility is the single worst epidemic our species is facing in the current, modern world.

It extends a lot further than our own American litigious society and infects a lot of not only our own interactions, but also our individual actions and choices.

To be fair to your sister, I saw when you posted those pictures when you posted them and you kinda did dress them up in clothes that said "My mom sucks!".

Seriously though, sorry about your sister. Maybe the mothership will come take her to happiness soon?
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I think lack of personal responsibility is the single worst epidemic our species is facing in the current, modern world.

It extends a lot further than our own American litigious society and infects a lot of not only our own interactions, but also our individual actions and choices.


To be fair to your sister, I saw when you posted those pictures when you posted them and you kinda did dress them up in clothes that said "My mom sucks!".

Seriously though, sorry about your sister. Maybe the mothership will come take her to happiness soon?
I couldn't agree more. It's an epidemic in America to blame everyone else for your problems. It started as a self esteem movement (give all the kids a trophy, not just the winner) and now it's matastisized into an entire generation of non-motivated, spoiled and self entitled young folks who think the rules don't apply to them. Combine this with the post modern movement of subjective truth and it's a snowball made in hell.
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Old 06-01-2013, 10:10 AM   #5
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It's sad but it just seems some people begin to become angrier and bitter and begin to see and blame everyone for all their problems.
Sounds just like my ex except that she mostly blames me for everything as opposed to everyone else lol.
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My sister was left by her abusive husband. She has two kids and is staying in our Aunt's house. She's slowly blamed every single person in her family for her problems and now hates all of us (I apparently disrespected her children on facebook by including a photo of them with my daughter and now she doesn't want to see me.) It's sad but it just seems some people begin to become angrier and bitter and begin to see and blame everyone for all their problems.
What ever happend to accountability? It sucks that she was abused, but you need to look within sometimes.
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My sister was left by her abusive husband. She has two kids and is staying in our Aunt's house. She's slowly blamed every single person in her family for her problems and now hates all of us (I apparently disrespected her children on facebook by including a photo of them with my daughter and now she doesn't want to see me.) It's sad but it just seems some people begin to become angrier and bitter and begin to see and blame everyone for all their problems.
See drug addicts also. I agree with Rev, personal responsibility is severely lacking.

As far as the opening post, couldn't agree more about the internet aiding the conspiracy theorist. We have one in the family. I tell him he believes what he wants to believe and I believe what I want to believe and any article found on the internet we are drawn to is because it is what we want to believe. It's not fact, because it's generally written by someone who is leaning one way or another. But he is convinced what he believes is fact. Might be, but my "facts" trump his.
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I read a great quote from Arthur C. Clarke the other day. "Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying." I think a lot of what human beings get tangled up in comes from the process of dealing with that terror.
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I read a great quote from Arthur C. Clarke the other day. "Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying." I think a lot of what human beings get tangled up in comes from the process of dealing with that terror.
Flight From Death is an interesting documentary on the concepts of humans being terrified (subconsciously), from the concept of facing mortality. Worth a look if you get a chance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_from_Death

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It's natural to be wary of what other people say and do, which could lead you down the wrong path.
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In reading the article 3 times...it reminds me why I hate the NY Times. Use of some of our members favorite buzzwords certainly deserves a chuckle though.


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...it reminds me why I hate the NY Times.
Yup, can't be trustin' them there highfalutin city folk. Nosiree.
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In reading the article 3 times...it reminds me why I hate the NY Times. Use of some of our members favorite buzzwords certainly deserves a chuckle though.


...what in that article was representative of why you hate the NY Times?
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...what in that article was representative of why you hate the NY Times?

The ending.

"Either way, the current scientific thinking suggests these beliefs are nothing more than an extreme form of cynicism, a turning away from politics and traditional media which only perpetuates the problem."

You can't trust those new news sources out there. They might be conspiracy theorists! But you can trust us, the traditional media, and our right good friends in politics.

Timing of the article is also funny. A White House buried under 3 conspiracies, one of which involves traditional media and we get an article about conspiracy theories from the NYT and how being extremely cynical of either the media or government means you may be prone to believing conspiracy theories, and therefore potentially crazy.

Plus the constant use of science/scientific just for the sake of it got on my nerves. We already know it is an article based on scientific research. Claiming it in every other sentence is filler. She have a minimum word count?

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The ending.

"Either way, the current scientific thinking suggests these beliefs are nothing more than an extreme form of cynicism, a turning away from politics and traditional media which only perpetuates the problem."

You can't trust those new news sources out there. They might be conspiracy theorists! But you can trust us, the traditional media, and our right good friends in politics.

Timing of the article is also funny. A White House buried under 3 conspiracies, one of which involves traditional media and we get an article about conspiracy theories from the NYT and how being extremely cynical of either the media or government means you may be prone to believing conspiracy theories, and therefore potentially crazy.

Plus the constant use of science/scientific just for the sake of it got on my nerves. We already know it is an article based on scientific research. Claiming it in every other sentence is filler. She have a minimum word count?

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I don't believe they did it because of a youtube video. Does that make me a conspiracy theorist?
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In reading the article 3 times...it reminds me why I hate the NY Times. Use of some of our members favorite buzzwords certainly deserves a chuckle though.


NYTimes and Denver Post, two of the worst liberal rags on the planet. Their spin is insufferable and nearly always opposite of the truth.
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NYTimes and Denver Post, two of the worst liberal rags on the planet. Their spin is insufferable and nearly always opposite of the truth.

I hate filler. And being told that being cynical of things that deserve suspicion means I might be a member of the tin foil hat brigade. It has nothing to do with right or left.


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I hate filler. And being told that being cynical of things that deserve suspicion means I might be a member of the tin foil hat brigade. It has nothing to do with right or left.


I agree. I did commercial litigation for many years. I can tell you without reservation that people do get together in groups and make secret plans to do dishonest and illegal stuff and then lie about them--often involving many millions of dollars. That's a conspiracy. That same personality type that becomes a high level business executive is also often attracted to the power and money of government. Some of them do the same thing.

One has to exercise discretion. Not everything is a conspiracy.One good test: if everything proves your conspiracy, it's probably bogus. For example:

* A and B met. They were obviously conspiring
* A and B did not meet. Don't you think that's suspicious evidence of a consipracy?

On the other hand, a sure sign in litigation is when you take a bunch of depositions and everyone's story is exactly the same down to the smallest detail. That means they got together, made up their story and then rehearsed it at some length because human memory isn't that accurate as to details.

I knew that Benghazi was a lame and poorly managed coverup conspiracy the first time I heard Secretary Clinton's "LA Filmmaker" explanation of what happened. Obviously false and obviously made up on the fly. It was bound to unravel. The only odd thing is that it took so long to unravel.

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NYTimes and Denver Post, two of the worst liberal rags on the planet. Their spin is insufferable and nearly always opposite of the truth.
Karl Rove and David Brooks write for the NY Times.

The Denver Post endorsed Tom Tancredo multiple times.
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Karl Rove and David Brooks write for the NY Times.

The Denver Post endorsed Tom Tancredo multiple times.
Not to mention the NY Times led the campaign to sink Al Gore and were also Cheney's biggest flag wavers in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq.
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Not to mention they led the campaign to sink Al Gore and were also Cheney's biggest flag wavers in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq.
Maureen Dowd and Paul Krugman also write for the New York Times.
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