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Old 05-08-2013, 09:27 PM   #1
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Despite dominating Washington’s attention, voters say the issues of gun control and immigration reform should take a back seat to efforts to bolster the economy and create jobs, according to a new poll.

A new Gallup poll released Wednesday finds 86 percent of voters saying Congress should make its top focus job creation, with 86 percent saying Congress should prioritize work on improving the economy.

Those two issues are the top concerns for voters, with gun violence and an overhaul of the nation’s immigration reform laws at the bottom of the list of 12 priorities.

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Old 05-08-2013, 09:30 PM   #2
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I'm not surprised. People always care most about the economy or in some cases a big war if a lot of soldiers are dying.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:34 PM   #3
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What we've been fed by Washington and their media lapdogs these past months (since the inauguration in specific) is a bunch of bread and circuses, though in this case minus the bread. It has allowed Washington to totally tank serious discussion of economic matters focusing instead on shifting between largely manufactured anti-gun hysteria, feel-good silliness about gay couples wanting to marry, and of course appeals to pity for illegal aliens who have come here to undercut American labor because the countless employers who prefer to exploit them get away with it scot-free.
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:39 AM   #4
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What we've been fed by Washington and their media lapdogs these past months (since the inauguration in specific) is a bunch of bread and circuses, though in this case minus the bread. It has allowed Washington to totally tank serious discussion of economic matters focusing instead on shifting between largely manufactured anti-gun hysteria, feel-good silliness about gay couples wanting to marry, and of course appeals to pity for illegal aliens who have come here to undercut American labor because the countless employers who prefer to exploit them get away with it scot-free.
They've taken action on the economy, the stimulus, QE, Fed buying Long Term Assets... all of them worked in some shape of form, but lets be honest, things that would really help the economy like tax reform are entitlememts reforms are not going to happen is this hyper-partisan environment....

People do care about Gun measures, the background check bill shoud have passed if it did not have amendment to it- but that what you get when politicans play game instead of putting out clean Bills.

Gay Right is only "silliness" if you are straight and have full rights as an American.

Immigration is an issue that needs to be dealt with, especialy if you expect the GOP to survive. GOP strongholds in many States will be begin to buckle as minorities and immigrants vote democrat, there is just no doubt R will have the egg on their face of an immigratiion fall out. What I find ironic about the GOP distaste for Mexican immigrant expecially, the are typically family oriented, anti-abortion Christians.... they should be locks for the GOP, but they continue to kick that voting block in the marbles... I don't get it, but then again that's why I don't generally vote for R's.

**and to add, Americans don't really care about Benghazi- they don't understand what happened, lost interest long ago, apparently only R'sd continue to carry that torch- I am not saying it is right, but Americans don't care anymore

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Typical nyuk - cherry-picking the part of the data that he feels supports his dogma.

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Old 05-08-2013, 10:45 PM   #6
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You're not all "there," are you?

Retard: What you just did was ignore the first paragraph of the original Gallup Poll page which repeats what I said about low priority.

From YOUR source, above YOUR graphic:

PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans put reforming immigration and reducing gun violence -- the focus of much of the attention on Capitol Hill in recent weeks -- at the bottom of a list of 12 priorities for Congress and the president to address. Americans instead say leaders in Washington should give highest priority to jobs and the economy, followed by making government work more efficiently and improving the quality of education.


While you accuse me of cherrypicking and omitting data, you repost my original statement from its original source, thus verifying what I originally said was accurate, while you accuse me of cherrypicking.

Well, now we know why you didn't explain HOW I was cherrypicking data. You just pulled that **** whole-cloth out of your ass.

What exactly IS your problem?
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You're not all "there," are you?

Retard: What you just did was ignore the first paragraph of the original Gallup Poll page which repeats what I said about low priority.

From YOUR source, above YOUR graphic:

PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans put reforming immigration and reducing gun violence -- the focus of much of the attention on Capitol Hill in recent weeks -- at the bottom of a list of 12 priorities for Congress and the president to address. Americans instead say leaders in Washington should give highest priority to jobs and the economy, followed by making government work more efficiently and improving the quality of education.


While you accuse me of cherrypicking and omitting data, you repost my original statement from its original source, thus verifying what I originally said was accurate, while you accuse me of cherrypicking.

Well, now we know why you didn't explain HOW I was cherrypicking data. You just pulled that **** whole-cloth out of your ass.

What exactly IS your problem?
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:54 AM   #8
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Unlike the GOP, obama can do multiple things. That includes gun laws, immigration, and jobs. The GOP? They focus on benghazi and filibusters. yay.

Obama renews focus on jobs, economic growth with Texas trip
(Reuters) - President Barack Obama flew to Texas on Thursday to put his focus back on job creation and economic growth after concentrating on gun control legislation and immigration reform in recent months.

Obama is due to hold events around the country to draw attention to his efforts to boost economic growth through jobs that benefit the middle class, a White House official said.

The trip comes as a poll shows Americans say what they want most from politicians in Washington is job creation and action that will help the economy grow.

In a visit to the Austin, Texas, area, Obama was due to visit Applied Materials, which makes semiconductors and other technology, and a high school focused on math and science. He also will meet residents and entrepreneurs.

The jobs tour follows some policy frustrations for Obama. He failed to persuade Congress to accept expanded background checks for gun buyers, a disappointing setback to his efforts to toughen gun rules after the December murders of 20 children and six adults at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.

He also is at an impasse with congressional Republicans over a deficit reduction deal that he insists should include higher tax revenues, which Republicans oppose.

The president does appear to be making headway in his efforts to change immigration laws to open a path to citizenship for a portion of the 11 million people who are in the United States without proper documentation. However, final legislation is months off.

In the meantime, a Gallup poll released Tuesday found 86 percent of those surveyed this month ranked creating jobs as their top priority for action by Congress and Obama, tied at 86 percent with helping the economy grow.

Lower on the priority list were reducing the federal deficit at 69 percent, reforming the tax code at 59 percent, reducing gun violence at 55 percent and reforming immigration at 50 percent.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9480DZ20130509
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Hey yuk yuk, check out this gallup poll.

Americans' Top Critique of GOP: "Unwilling to Compromise"
Democrats criticized for spending too much
by Lydia SaadPRINCETON, NJ -- As Republican leaders openly scrutinize their party after a 2012 election that was disappointing for them, rank-and-file Republicans, independents, and Democrats voice the same primary criticism of the GOP: it is "too inflexible" or "unwilling to compromise." When asked to say what they most dislike about the Republican Party, 26% of Republicans, 17% of independents, and 22% of Democrats offer this critique -- leading all other mentions.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/161573/am...ompromise.aspx
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Unlike the GOP, obama can do multiple things. That includes gun laws, immigration, and jobs. The GOP? They focus on benghazi and filibusters. yay.

Obama renews focus on jobs, economic growth with Texas trip
(Reuters) - President Barack Obama flew to Texas on Thursday to put his focus back on job creation and economic growth after concentrating on gun control legislation and immigration reform in recent months.

Obama is due to hold events around the country to draw attention to his efforts to boost economic growth through jobs that benefit the middle class, a White House official said.

The trip comes as a poll shows Americans say what they want most from politicians in Washington is job creation and action that will help the economy grow.

In a visit to the Austin, Texas, area, Obama was due to visit Applied Materials, which makes semiconductors and other technology, and a high school focused on math and science. He also will meet residents and entrepreneurs.

The jobs tour follows some policy frustrations for Obama. He failed to persuade Congress to accept expanded background checks for gun buyers, a disappointing setback to his efforts to toughen gun rules after the December murders of 20 children and six adults at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.

He also is at an impasse with congressional Republicans over a deficit reduction deal that he insists should include higher tax revenues, which Republicans oppose.

The president does appear to be making headway in his efforts to change immigration laws to open a path to citizenship for a portion of the 11 million people who are in the United States without proper documentation. However, final legislation is months off.

In the meantime, a Gallup poll released Tuesday found 86 percent of those surveyed this month ranked creating jobs as their top priority for action by Congress and Obama, tied at 86 percent with helping the economy grow.

Lower on the priority list were reducing the federal deficit at 69 percent, reforming the tax code at 59 percent, reducing gun violence at 55 percent and reforming immigration at 50 percent.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9480DZ20130509


same ole crap. Obama talks about jobs, then says he needs another stimulus to create them. Ummm we saw that waste already and aren't going for it again. He can forget about another stimulus it ain't happening. He can forget about raising taxes again because it ain't happening. He is going to lose more seats in the midterms and become a lame duck.

You create jobs by reducing govt regulation, reducing tax on corps and small businesses. You don't create them by going to texas and giving a speach about how you want to create more jobs. What a joke.
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Rigs, then why is Obama quiet on the economy while he loudly beats the feel-good gay marriage drum and pretends that gun control and amnesty are both widely popular and supported? Why is this going on?

What about Benghazi do you find offensive? What about filibustering trash legislation do you find offensive?
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Rigs, then why is Obama quiet on the economy while he loudly beats the feel-good gay marriage drum and pretends that gun control and amnesty are both widely popular and supported? Why is this going on?

What about Benghazi do you find offensive? What about filibustering trash legislation do you find offensive?
it's politics. what is the GOP trying to accomplish here?

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it's politics. what is the GOP trying to accomplish here?

Certainly could hear a pin drop during the Bush years.
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Certainly could hear a pin drop during the Bush years.
Kind of like how the suicide rate of soldiers was huge news under Bush but hush-hush under Obama - especially since rates are higher?

You mean like that?
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Kind of like how the suicide rate of soldiers was huge news under Bush but hush-hush under Obama - especially since rates are higher?

You mean like that?
Stupid deflection, but typical.

They obviously need to work on the "hush-hush" thingy.

So you're ok with the zero outrage when Bush was in office and 60 embassy personnel were killed?
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Kind of like how the suicide rate of soldiers was huge news under Bush but hush-hush under Obama - especially since rates are higher?

You mean like that?
Oh, yes...HUSH HUSH!

You must not get out much...

Top 7 Search Results (edit: search results are for "nbc military suicides" - no quotes):

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...h-in-2012?lite

Military suicide rate hit record high in 2012

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'Red Flags': Army takes note as vet rapper Soldier Hard's lyrics tackle suicide

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...de-crisis?lite

Are brain injuries from IED blasts causing the military suicide crisis?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/47726225/

Pentagon reports 154 suicides in first 155 days of 2012

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Why modern soldiers are more susceptible to suicide

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'Like an airborne disease': Concern grows about military suicides spreading within families


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22 veterans commit suicide each day: VA report

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Kind of like how the suicide rate of soldiers was huge news under Bush but hush-hush under Obama - especially since rates are higher?

You mean like that?
I heard that on the news just the other day. Extremely sad.

My biggest gripe when Obama was running for office the first time were the right evangelist pushing gay marriage, abortion, and yes, gun control to the forefront and making those the biggest platforms. Sandy Hook made gun control the big issue it has become and the polls indicate most Americans are for background checks. We should implement it and move on. And that they are for some kind of immigration law that helps the "good" immigrants get citizenship while paying for it, just like Bush did with amnesty in 2001. Then let's move on.

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Certainly could hear a pin drop during the Bush years.
Don't forget how they always preface any argument of that sort with "since 9/11", as if it never happened.
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Don't forget how they always preface any argument of that sort with "since 9/11", as if it never happened.
....or avoid debating the issue by deflecting.
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it's politics. what is the GOP trying to accomplish here?
How about honesty and accountability?

This junk graphic is a total non sequitur. Can you show us where these attacks were under similar circumstances and the GOP sat on their hands? If not, you have no argument.
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How about honesty and accountability?

This junk graphic is a total non sequitur. Can you show us where these attacks were under similar circumstances and the GOP sat on their hands? If not, you have no argument.
Far worse, but keep spinning.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia.
U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan.
Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again.
Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria
. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.
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Far worse, but keep spinning.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia.
U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan.
Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again.
Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria
. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.
Nope, none of those were on September 11th. You can be forgiven for attacks on Americans on any other day except September 11th.

Oh, and September 11th, 2001.
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Far worse, but keep spinning.
I didn't ask for attacks; I asked for attacks under similar questionable/scandalous circumstances. Two different things and you clearly cannot provide the latter.
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January 22 , 2002: Gunmen attack a U.S. government information center in Calcutta, India, near the U.S. Consulate. NO AMERICANS KILLED.

June 13, 2002: The US consulate in Karachi is a prime target for terrorists; in June 2002 a dozen people were killed when a car bomb exploded outside it. NO AMERICANS WERE KILLED.

September 17, 2008: Heavily armed fighters attack the U.S. Embassy in Yemen. A car bomb is detonated. At least 16 people die, including six attackers. No Americans are reportedly killed.

July 9, 2008: The U.S. Consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, is attacked in what the American ambassador to the country calls "an obvious act of terrorism" aimed at the U.S. NO AMERICANS KILLED.

September 12, 2006: Syrian authorities kill three attackers and apprehend a suspect outside the U.S. Embassy after a car explodes near the walls of the Damascus building. Three of the four KILLED were attackers. NO AMERICANS KILLED.

December 7, 2004: An attack on the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, kills nine people. The U.S. Embassy said no Americans were killed or seriously injured.


Congratulations king of false equivalencies. What's sad is most Obama nut huggers want to dismiss the facts in Benghazi for political reasons. The fact that people want to know why they were denied extra security and then left to die when they came under attack is undeniable. I don't know who's worse, those in the government who are covering it up or those citizens who help them cover it up. Quite frankly, you disgust me.
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