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Old 04-12-2013, 06:17 AM   #1
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Default Reminder : Elway to Marino - ESPN Films: 30 for 30-TUESDAY 24

4/23 8pm Espn1 ...

Set your DVR and get your popcorn ... And if the show John's retirement presser tissues ...





Someone should sticky this cause I've never had something sticky worthy.

And inb4 someone turns "sticky worthy" into something dirty
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:46 AM   #2
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You sir are the man, i would never have even seen this. Just set the DVR... now just have to wait haha.



do you know who is directing this? usually it is big name actors or directors that do these for ESPN
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Nice! And draft week too!
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Sticky this so I remember to set my DVR (when I get home)... please!
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:50 PM   #5
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Sticky this so I remember to set my DVR (when I get home)... please!
Diddo - please sticky until the week after
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Can't wait. Thanks for the reminder.
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Thanks for the reminder TDmvp. I'm looking forward to this one...although almost all of them have been excellent.
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Heres a page on what the 30 for 30 is all about. Not just Elway and Marino, but the entire 83 draft.
Which completely changed my life. I would be a Colts fan right now if Elway stayed there. From Granada Hills to Stanford to Baltimore to Denver.
Jeez. I was just a little kid.

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In the spring of 1983, the NFL may have been at its weakest point. The previous season had been marred by a players strike, the upstart USFL was poaching star players and Al Davis was successfully suing the league. But the momentum began to change on April 26, 1983 -- the day of the NFL Draft -- when a new generation of superstars was poised to enter the league.

Six quarterbacks were selected in the first round of that draft -- still the most ever. "Elway to Marino" explores this landmark draft through the eyes of the players, head coaches, general managers, team owners and agents who participated. Agent Marvin Demoff, who represented both John Elway and Dan Marino, and kept a diary in the months leading up to the most dramatic draft day in NFL history. We'll learn the inside story of draft picks and back room deals, and see the tension between future Hall of Famers and the teams that selected them.

Director's Take
No one loved NFL history more than NFL Films President Steve Sabol. Early in my career, I remember him telling me "Never think history is boring. The further you get from historic events, the more dramatic details are lost. For a filmmaker, that's a blessing. " As usual, he was 100 percent right.

No one wants to tell the same old story -- and that was my early concern while researching the 1983 NFL Draft. Six quarterbacks were taken in the first round, Elway was picked by the Colts and traded to the Broncos, Marino fell to the Dolphins at No. 27, etc. ... I figured I knew it all, or at least most of it. Boy, was I wrong.

My eyes were opened by a man named Marvin Demoff, who represented both John Elway and Dan Marino in 1983. People who work around the NFL know the Demoff name. He was, and is, a legendary agent known as much for his gracious personality, as his relentless negotiating skills.
When I first met Demoff (thanks to Josh Pyatt at William Morris and the great folks at ESPN Films) one moment turned my thinking around; it was when he said "You know, I kept a diary during the entire Elway process." He then began telling stories from that diary. Unbelievable stories, like how John Elway nearly became a Raider, what Hall of Fame quarterback was almost traded to make room for him, and the reasoning behind Elway's public claim that he would only play on the West Coast.

I was hooked. From there, it was a whirlwind of production, highlighted by an incredible NFL Films crew who recreated the NFL draft room exactly as it stood in NYC in 1983. From the podium where Pete Rozelle stood to the cigarettes in the ashtrays, we literally brought 1983 back to life. It was one of the most amazing production jobs I'd ever seen. We interviewed Demoff in that room for nearly 7 hours. The details were fascinating and the anecdotes were mesmerizing.

While the focus of "Elway to Marino" is the drama surrounding his two star clients, there are many stories to be told between picks No. 1 and No. 27. I hope audiences will feel the same sense of rediscovery that I did when listening to Demoff and others tell them.

Steve Sabol was right -- discovering those forgotten details has been a blessing
http://espn.go.com/30for30/film?page=elwaytomarino

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Old 04-15-2013, 09:04 AM   #10
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Ken Rodgers is an Emmy Award-winning supervising producer for NFL Films. For the past six seasons, his signature work has been as the lead creative producer behind "Hard Knocks," HBO's training camp reality series that won back-to-back Emmy Awards for Outstanding Edited Sports Series (2009 and 2010) and most recently featured the Miami Dolphins (2012).
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Here's another nice write up on this production:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...,1026837.story
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Learned something new tonight. I had no idea that there was a moment Bill Walsh wanted to trade Montana for John. He would have had a ring on every finger and Montana would have been a faded memory.
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Learned something new tonight. I had no idea that there was a moment Bill Walsh wanted to trade Montana for John. He would have had a ring on every finger and Montana would have been a faded memory.
Yup. I learned a lot more too.....In the weeks leading up to that draft, Baltimore had been approached by several teams, namely.....

- New England seemed to have more interest than any team in early April, and had asked Baltimore if they'd take John Hannah for the Elway pick. On draft day at pick #15 the Pats wanted Kelley, but he had just been taken at #14.....they thought the next best QB on the board was Eason!! Haha. However, the COACHES in New England didn't want Eason......the owner made that choice.

- With 3 1st round picks, everyone thought for sure that Chargers would trade for him....but they were just using that as leverage to re-sign Fouts.

- At #21, the Rooneys LOVED Marnio, and would have taken him.....but they allowed Chuck Knoll to choose (opposite of the Pats situation).....and Knoll wanted defense.

- Dallas had inquired about Elway prior to the draft, but again, Irsay of the Colts ran the show and f'd that up too

I also found it funny that Jim Kelley HATED being drafted by Buffalo.....played for Houston in the USFL (I knew he played in the USFL, but not because he dreaded being drafted by Buffalo).

I didn't realize that while Elway played a summer for the Yanks A team.....that he lead the team in EVERY offensive category, including stolen bases. Impressive.

Lastly, Al Davis believed (and Elway's agent AGREES) that the league killed the Raider/Bears/Colts deal......probably as revenge against Al for suing the league.
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Lastly, Al Davis believed (and Elway's agent AGREES) that the league killed the Raider/Bears/Colts deal......probably as revenge against Al for suing the league.
God bless you, Pete Rozelle.
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:22 PM   #15
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Marino also had a terrible senior season. Only 17 td's and 23 ints and 6.4 ypa. His junior year he had 37 td's and averaged 7.4 ypa. But also got picked off 23 times. So Marino got picked off 46 times in his last 22 games.
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Yup. I learned a lot more too.....In the weeks leading up to that draft, Baltimore had been approached by several teams, namely.....

- New England seemed to have more interest than any team in early April, and had asked Baltimore if they'd take John Hannah for the Elway pick. On draft day at pick #15 the Pats wanted Kelley, but he had just been taken at #14.....they thought the next best QB on the board was Eason!! Haha. However, the COACHES in New England didn't want Eason......the owner made that choice.

- With 3 1st round picks, everyone thought for sure that Chargers would trade for him....but they were just using that as leverage to re-sign Fouts.

- At #21, the Rooneys LOVED Marnio, and would have taken him.....but they allowed Chuck Knoll to choose (opposite of the Pats situation).....and Knoll wanted defense.

- Dallas had inquired about Elway prior to the draft, but again, Irsay of the Colts ran the show and f'd that up too

I also found it funny that Jim Kelley HATED being drafted by Buffalo.....played for Houston in the USFL (I knew he played in the USFL, but not because he dreaded being drafted by Buffalo).

I didn't realize that while Elway played a summer for the Yanks A team.....that he lead the team in EVERY offensive category, including stolen bases. Impressive.

Lastly, Al Davis believed (and Elway's agent AGREES) that the league killed the Raider/Bears/Colts deal......probably as revenge against Al for suing the league.
Theres a legend () out there floating around, that when Elway went to meet with Steinbrenner, he was given a personal tour of Yankee stadium with his then girlfriend, soon to be wife.
Steinbrenner took them down on to the field, and the Royals just happened to be in town and were taking batting practice. George Brett was sitting in the royals dugout and some of the guys were talking to Elway about what he was going to do.
So some of the players wanted to see if Elways arm was as big as it had been advertised and while talking a little smack with him they challenged him to see how far he could throw a baseball.
So Elway stepped about 5 feet behind home base, got a running start, and threw it over the fence in centerfield. 1 throw.
After sitting there, watching this, George Brett said, "Man, i hope this kid plays football".
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Theres a legend () out there floating around, that when Elway went to meet with Steinbrenner, he was given a personal tour of Yankee stadium with his then girlfriend, soon to be wife.
Steinbrenner took them down on to the field, and the Royals just happened to be in town and were taking batting practice. George Brett was sitting in the royals dugout and some of the guys were talking to Elway about what he was going to do.
So some of the players wanted to see if Elways arm was as big as it had been advertised and while talking a little smack with him they challenged him to see how far he could throw a baseball.
So Elway stepped about 5 feet behind home base, got a running start, and threw it over the fence in centerfield. 1 throw.
After sitting there, watching this, George Brett said, "Man, i hope this kid plays football".
If true that is RIDICULOUS, i just looked up the dimensions of the old yankee stadium. The distance from homeplate to the centerfield fence was 408 feet, so give or take a couple feet it is still a 400+ foot throw.
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Theres a legend () out there floating around, that when Elway went to meet with Steinbrenner, he was given a personal tour of Yankee stadium with his then girlfriend, soon to be wife.
Steinbrenner took them down on to the field, and the Royals just happened to be in town and were taking batting practice. George Brett was sitting in the royals dugout and some of the guys were talking to Elway about what he was going to do.
So some of the players wanted to see if Elways arm was as big as it had been advertised and while talking a little smack with him they challenged him to see how far he could throw a baseball.
So Elway stepped about 5 feet behind home base, got a running start, and threw it over the fence in centerfield. 1 throw.
After sitting there, watching this, George Brett said, "Man, i hope this kid plays football".
Didn't George Brett confirm this?

I thought the 30 for 30 was really well done. The subplots and stories surrounding that 83 draft were unreal:
-The Walsh contemplating trading Montana to get Elway
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-The fact that if the league tampering story is true that Elway would have been a Raider
-Not to mention that probably 15-20 guys in that 83 draft would have been taken no. 1 overall last night.
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Didn't George Brett confirm this?

I thought the 30 for 30 was really well done. The subplots and stories surrounding that 83 draft were unreal:
-The Walsh contemplating trading Montana to get Elway
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-The fact that if the league tampering story is true that Elway would have been a Raider
-Not to mention that probably 15-20 guys in that 83 draft would have been taken no. 1 overall last night.
Instead of getting pissed at Rozelle for allegedly blocking Elway to the Faders, maybe Fader fans should be pissed at Al Davis for a little known fact. The raiders took center Don Mosebar at pick #26, passing on Dan Marino who went to the Fins at #27.
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Yea this has been killer so far.
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elway-

"every noon we'd watch all my children, me and about 12 of my buddies"

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"every noon we'd watch all my children, me and about 12 of my buddies"

what?
Yea , I lol'ed .
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"every noon we'd watch all my children, me and about 12 of my buddies"

what?
lol! back in the dark ages(before the interwebs) college kids watched soap operas religiously
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That was great. Poor Ernie Accorsi. Doesn't' make the trade he wants for Elway (missing out on a chance to get Marino, who he said he would have drafted). Then after he leaves the Colts he's GM of the Browns and watches Elway beat his team in 3 AFC Championship games.

Edgar Kaiser was a weird owner, demanding Randy Gradishar take a pay cut at one time, but he's right up there with the Phipps and Bowlen for one move - getting Elway to Denver.
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And as I stated before the retirement presser gets me every time...

That whole documentary was GREAT tho.
Love him sticking it to Terry at the end lol.
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